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Lexus ES 300/ES 330

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  • weiss4weiss4 Posts: 3
    Have an '03 ES 300, and service advisor
    told me that the reason thay Lexus cars
    have such a smooth ride is due to their tires, not the car's suspension. In other words, he said I would have to chage my tires frequently to maintain factotry standards.
    Is he correct?? Are Lexus factory tires unusually "soft" and require changing like at 25,000 miles?? If so, what if I switch to a "stronger" tire? How much "harder" will the ride be? Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, aweiss@graphiccenter.net
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I have no doubt you are unhappy with your car. But two comments on your post:

    1. It is not accurate to say that because this has been discussed for 18 months on edmunds there is a problem. One, this board does not accurately represent ES 300 owners in a way that you can make a generalization like that. Two, I am sure this board garners a greater share of complaints since that's what most people do on edmunds.

    2. I don't believe the ES has terrible resale value. My dealer says the value of used 2002s is very high because many people want the car but don't want to spend the money on a 2003. Also, check out kbb.com. A 2002 ES 300 holds its value just as well as a 2002 Acura TL-S at 70%. Compare this to an Infiniti I35 at 61%.

    I wish you well in your car dilemma. But I would not discourage anybody from buying this car (the high sales numbers for July certainly don't reflect any public concern). Best of luck to you.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    What your dealer told you about tires is not true. Many ES 300s come from the factory with Michelins, and those tires are known for a "thumping" noise yet still produce a very quiet ride on the ES 300. Also, on my last ES 300 (a 1995) I replaced the factory Dunlops (which only lasted about 30,000 miles) with BF Goodrich and did not notice any change in the ride quality. The BF Goodriches had a much longer life and provided better handling and traction in the snow.
  • sopecreeksopecreek Posts: 203
    My 2001 ES came with Bridgestone (V-rated) and lasted 25 K. Replaced them with Yokohama (H-rated) from tirerack.com. The Bridgestones were somewhat quieter at low speed. The Yoko are 10 times better in wet traction, HALF the price, equally comfortable, handling about the same (who drives ES like a sports car anyway.) Yokos make sense for me.
  • richm4richm4 Posts: 169
    I agree with you about not purchasing this car until the tranny issue is fixed. I would have bought one this year if not for that problem.

    I noticed the non-responsive transmission on my test drive and surely didn't want to risk spending $35K on a car with such a huge problem.

    I also agree that there wouldn't be 18 months of constant bitching about it if there weren't really a problem to begin with.
  • weiss4weiss4 Posts: 3
    Lenscap & Soapcreek;
    Thank you both for your input.
    On replacement I will look at Yoko's and
    Goodrich's as strong candidates.
    Is it possible to get consistently good advise from a Lexus service advisor, or do you have to take what they say, pass it through a filter like this one and make a decision??
    Anyway, I appreciate your taking the time to reply. weiss4
  • gekko2gekko2 Posts: 87
    i like Michelin Pilot XGT H4 Tires P205/65R15 -
    $97.99 each. i had dunlops and yokohamas but these are my favorite. both the dunlops and the yokohamas went bald too quick.
  • toydrivertoydriver Posts: 227
    Just did a review of the posts on this website for the past 7 months. Five people have posted claims of unresponsive or "dangerous" situations with the transmission. However, I believe only 3 of those are ES owners!?! Most of the posts are hash and re-hash from the same people.
    There have been thousands of the '02-'03 ES sold so far. If this transmission "problem" is as common as has been claimed by some here, statistically speaking there should be many more complaints from true owners.
    Thankfully, MY '03 continues to "purr" along, and change gears "without a whine".
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    I don't really like the exterior looks of the current ES300. Maybe a restlyling of the front and rear ends with new head and tail lights would help. When will the styling be tweaked?
    The only car in this class I don't like in looks is the Lincoln LS. The LS is "boring and dated" looking, but the ES300 is beyond boring and into the "unattractive and unacceptable" category.
    The BMW 3 series, the new 2004 Acura TL, G35 sedan, Cadillac CTS, Audi A4/A6 and the MBZ C/E Class all have more attractive exterior styling than the current ES300.
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    Apparently, the ES300 is not the only vehicle that gives owners transmission woes.

    On the "Maintenance and Repair" board, the topic "Transmission Traumas" typically stands at the top of the list of topics. Since top positioning on the list indicates recent posts to the topic, one might conclude that there are many complaints against transmissions for all vehicles.

    I suspect that car owners want larger vehicles that are powerful, with high fuel efficiency, and with low emissions. A tough bill for a transmission designer to fill.

    We may be forced to live with flaky transmissions while the designers find a way meet the mutually exclusive requirements demanded by owners.
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    A child of about 8 years old who observed my car in the parking lot, commented how much he liked my car, which is a Mystic Sea Opalescence color.

    I don't think an 8 year old would be as sensitive to status as would be an adult owner, and I don't think a Camry would have been singled out for comment.

    So much for an ES300 looking like a Camry or having staid, unattractive lines. If there weren't something special about the ES300, I like to think that it would be unlikely its appearance would elicit positive comments from an 8 year old.

    Now of course it is feasible that an eight year old might be a car buff and impressed by status of the Lexus name. But this kid said "I like your car". He did not say "I like your Lexus".
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    I've been here since before the new ES was introduced, and the "constant bitching" is done by a constant few. Then there are those who don't own the new ES but like to point out the constant bitching, those who notice some issues with the tranny but don't think it's that serious, and those who don't notice any problem with it at all and think the tranny is as smooth as can be. Some in the latter 2 categories are still interested in seeing Lexus do something about it, for various reasons.

    As for styling, whether you like it or not, I wouldn't consider it "beyond boring." Boring to me is a style you don't think twice about...it just doesn't interest you enough to illicit much response, positive or negative. This certainly doesn't apply to the new ES: you get comments from both ends of the spectrum. And from its excellent sales figures compared to its competitors and previous ES generations, I'm sure Lexus considers it a successful style. Those who don't like it I can almost always guess correctly what style they do like.
  • rtorrecartorreca Posts: 74
    I noticed recently on my 02 ES that the wipers do not tuck themselves neatly at the bottom of the windshield, almost obstructing my view. I tried turning it on and off but it stops about a couple of inches from the bottom. Looking at the manual, it looks like it's the "resting" position instead of the "retracted" position. It may have been switched when the guy at the service station wiped the windshield. How much pressure should be applied to put it back to the normal position? I don't want to force it as I may break it.
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    I must say when I saw the new ES I really didn't like it. But the more I saw it I ended up buying it last December. You can't beat the price for what you get, similar like the TL (you get a lot for alot less price. I got mine loaded without the NAV for $32k.
  • rugmankcrugmankc Posts: 133
    They are in the winter position. My 99ES had the instructions to reposition them in the owners manual. I believe all you do is lift a little and push them down. Check the manual first or let the dealer do it.
  • just give the wipers a firm push down and it will go back to the original retracted position. very easy to do as I've done it many times.
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    I agree with the previous posts. The two positions help when you clean the windshield. Just tug a little toward you while pushing them down. You only have to grab hold of one of the wipers and both will move in tandem.

    Make sure you pull firmly (but don't yank) toward you first, and then push them down.
  • texas83texas83 Posts: 107
    I've talked to three dealerships and all their service dept's acknowledged there is a problem with the tranny, they've claimed to have had numerous complaints about the tranny, they were at a loss as to why Lexus hasn't fixed this. The way I found out that this is a general problem is because the dealership told me so. Lexus headquarters in California fully represents there is a problem in a significant number of the '02 & '03 vehicles. Just talk with a dealerhip's service dept. Talk with Lexus Customer Satisfaction. Don't talk with a salesman because he will lie to you. Don't believe Lexus plants on this board.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    ...said the Infiniti plant. :P j/k
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    What do you mean by "Lexus plants"?
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