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Lexus ES 300/ES 330

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  • lievliev Posts: 93
    Then, I say you don't have windnoise problem. It is normal that if the wind is strong and your car is moving through it, of course there would be some noise. I agree with you that it is a design flaw in the ES300 that Lexus has to face. It could have been made better. However, since everyone has this same problem, don't worry too much about it. Or, you could trade in for the new ES with metal window frame next year. But remember, the car won't be made SOUND-PROOFED. So expect to hear some noise, still. I sat in my friend ML320. the SUV has metal framed window, but it's not much quieter than my ES300.
    Someone has the water leakage problem before in a previuos post. it seems that this is a common problem too for the ES300. But this a minor problem that can be fixed.
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    It is hard to know, to what extent people are experiencing wind noise, but I have to say, my 2000 ES300 is much quieter overall than my 92 E300 I had before this Lexus. And the E-class car new, was $20K more in 1992 than my ES was in 2000. I feel that my ES is extremely quiet. But in no was soundproof.
  • stuartwostuartwo Posts: 6
    I'm not an ES300 owner (yet!), but can't help but see all the entries about wind noise--so I made a point to check out this cursed turbulence on my test drives. I'm sure framed windows would help, but could part of the problem be that the car is much quieter compared to other cars everyone's previously driven, and that people NOTICE the wind noise more now? Without the drone of an engine or tires on the pavement masking it out, maybe it just seems louder to people? I just know that my Maxima SE has framed windows and I can hear wind noise--only if I pay attention to it. Like others, I found the ES300 to be incredibly quiet and smooth.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    I too am concerned about the wind noise but many posts here say the car is incredibly quiet. I prefer framed windows and will look at the new 2002 ES300 but if I do not like the styling I will either get a 2001 ES300 or a Toyota Camry. "Consumer Reports" tested the Lexus ES300 once back in the March '97 issue and this is what they had to say about the "noise". "At highway speed, you hear barely a trace of wind rush and, on course pavement, a trace of road noise." For their noise rating thay gave it an "excellent". I have not personnally driven an ES300 so I cannot speak from experience. It is hard to say if this is an actual problem or not but to some people it is.
  • ved3ved3 Posts: 43
    that's very funny tlswhiz.
    I don't know how my dealer can brainwash me
    since I hardly ever go see them about a problem.
    but I know you're kidding. I think my own car
    has brainwashed me with it's almost flawless
    daily functionalities into thinking that it's
    the best.
    and please think about and analyze the issue before responding. if you have 2 cars with
    the same origin and both are purchased, and one
    car is not properly maintained and abused driven
    while the other is cared for according to manufacturer's recommendations, which car would
    most likely have less problems down the road?

    of course there are few exceptions to anything
    in life as this goes without saying. but I'm
    speaking in terms of #s. If you have problems
    with your ES, it doesn't automatically mean that
    it was not properly maintained or was abused
    driven, but chances are, that's what it means.
    so no it's not according to my wisdom, it's
    accoring to common sense wisdom using math.

    yes I got the point steve..

    stuart and fred,

    wind noise on the ES is not a major problem. it's
    more of an annoyance I think. I've been in many
    different types of vehicles and they all have
    wind noises. but most also have engine and road
    noise whereas the ES's engine seem to be muted.
    so I think the engine noise of other cars may
    distract drivers from the wind noise. In the ES,
    there's no distraction. In mine, I hardly notice
    it unless I really try to listen or if it's a
    windy day on the highway. with the radio on, all
    I hear is the radio.
  • spon46spon46 Posts: 2
    My Good Year Eagle tires need to be replaced at 26,000 mi. Thinking of Michelin Energy for $132 ea. Any recommendations? Want it to last around 40,000. Heard Pirelli's last that long but don't handle well in the rain.
  • tlswhiztlswhiz Posts: 19
    do you hear the applause?

    I don't.

    Anyways -- i'm glad you like your vehicle -- maybe you forgot, I loved my '94 until I had to get rid of it. I hope you never have a problem with your vehicle, and I hope you wake up one day and realize that Lexus, like Bentley, like Mercedes, and like Ferrari is not infallible, like your ES300. All ES300's weren't built in Camelot like yours, so forgive me for posting about my problems on this "Lexus ES300" forum ... YUP! It's the ES300 forum!

    Have a nice day, and enjoy your car, you're in love with it!

  • ugmd20ugmd20 Posts: 11
    It's down to the wire. I've been working with a dealer in the Atlanta area on a 2001 Coach Edition ES300. His price........$32,268 (I used Costco Pricing). I would be leasing the car for 39 months with payments being $520/mo. including tax. Any opinions on this price? (good or bad).

    Thank you.
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    I've decided my next car is an ES300. I've no objection to a used one if someone else takes the intial hit, but the darned things seem as high as a new ones. Is there anybody out there who thinks a used one makes any sense. I watch the Dallas paper and they're so close to the a new one, I can't see the plus. If Edmund's TVM is correct, why pay 29K for one a year old? Any opinons.
  • jwfslkjwfslk Posts: 9
    I paid $31,250 for mine- Diamond White Pearl, value pkg, htd. seats, wood steering whl, trunk mat and wheel locks. My salesman (this is the 3rd I bought from him) threw in a trunk cargo net.
    I bought during the last week of January, I think if you wait until the last week of the month you can probably do a little better. Good Luck!
  • donald15donald15 Posts: 8
    Does anyone know if it is possible to have the steering wheel on a 2000 AS changed with a wood and leather similar to the one on a 2001. If so How much would it run. I love the way the wood and leather looks.
  • r3ficor3fico Posts: 11
    I purchased a 1998 ES 300 last week and have the following observations to make :

    POSITIVE
    1. High quality finish, both interior & exterior. My car was sitting next to a brand new 2001 3.2 TL Acura and the superior finish & layout of the ES 300 was obvious to me (though I will say that the 3.2 TL is one of the great values in the market today, especially with the 2002 just out).
    2. Smooth and powerful engine, more than adequate power unless you lust after an M3/M5 or a 911 turbo :-).
    3. Looks refined and sporty at the same time. I don't think it resembles a Camry as many in this forum have stated.
    4. My CDs sound great on the Pioneer CD changer/system
    5. Comfortable leather seats, easy to adjust to suit your frame
    6. Excellent dashboard and control layout. Controls are intuitive and easy to reach.
    7. Put 300 highway miles on the car yesterday and had no problem with wind noise, as many in this forum seem to have experienced. Yes, you could hear the wind at 85 miles an hour (barely), but in now way was this excessive or obtrusive.

    NEGATIVE
    1. I found the two compartments on either side of the trunk filled with water. Apparently there are tubes in the frame which channel the water away from the moonroof through the trunk to the road. Someone had pulled these tubes out and when it rained on Friday almost 6 inches of water had accumulated in the compartments. Imagine my surprise when I opened the trunk to check on the spare :-). Anyone else have this problem?
    2. The front tires look semi-deflated. This may be due to the ES 300' s long nose or the weight of the engine. But still, the difference between the rear and front tires is substantial. I initially though there was a problem with both front tires and replaced them with new Michelins. The new tires looked a little better, but if I don't know better I would still think they needed air (they are at 32 psi as per Lexus's reccomendation)
    3. Only one setting on the heated seats. This was changed to dual levels on the 99 model so buyers of newer models will not have this problem.
    4. I find myself slipping forward in my seat sometimes, when I apply the brakes suddenly. This may be a universal phenomenon with all leather seats.
    5. The ride is too smooth, too polite (probably not a negative for most but I prefer a tighter ride)
    6. The seat belt does not pull itself taut when I unhook it.
    7. The ashtray rattles when I go over bumps. I leave it open half way to avoid the rattling.

    (For those of you who have faced similar problems, I'd appreciate your feedback)

    All things considered I'm extremely happy with the car. The fit and finish is superb, the engine powerful & smooth, and the ride excellent. Lexus's attention to detail really has paid off, and this manifests itself wherever you look. Yes, there are minor problems that need to be ironed out, but then which car is 100% perfect? The bottom line is that its difficult to go wrong with the ES 300.
  • tlswhiztlswhiz Posts: 19
    It's a '98 --

    You have to expect these things to crop up on your new car. I expect you'll have many more miles of enjoyment with your new car -- I wish you the best luck.

    For some of the rattle -- try wedging black pieces of felt between plastic parts to eliminate -- then close the ashtray.

    Air pressure -- i noticed a similar phenomenon on my '94 -- set air pressure to manual specs -- and maybe a little higher for crisper steering.

    I've had both ES300 seatbelts in the front replaced under lifetime warranty because they wouldn't recoil. It's a common problem on many vehicles -- mostly on my '94. They will and should replace this no charge.

    Those tubes should have been replaced under the Certification Agreement -- that is, if you bought it Lexus Certified. Check into it -- otherwise, take it to the dealer. I have never had a problem typing out a list of things wrong w/ my '94 ES and handing it to the service. rep., and just driving off and trusting they would take care of all of them.
  • ugmd20ugmd20 Posts: 11
    I finally pulled the trigger (after six months) and drove off the lot with my new Coach Edition. I was very pleased with the way I was treated and also with my salesman. The Coach travel bag is very nice and the Lexus travel mug and Lexus Cross pen given to me are all great extras. My salesperson is also going to send me a cargo net as soon as they get some new ones in. I'm very glad I spent a little extra for the Coach. The dark badging and different wheels look great against the black paint job. I think the wheels look just a little like the ones used on the LS. All in all a good experience.
  • remus26remus26 Posts: 34
    donald 15,

    It is possible to change the steering wheel in your 2000 Es300 to a wood/leather steering wheel like in the 2001 model. But buying the factory wood/leather wheel is expensive(very). I would expect you are looking at about a $1500 bill. Check with your dealer on the exact price.
  • remus26remus26 Posts: 34
    r3fico,

    Good to see you're happy with your car. Those are 7 small complaints.

    I'll try and address some of your complaints.
    2) the tires on the front do tend to look underinflated. Why? The ES300 is a FWD car and a heavy FWD car at that. If you put the same tire pressure on both ends, the front tires will look more underinflated because more weight hangs over the front wheels. As long as the cold PSI in the tires is what Lexus recommends, you are fine.

    4) Yup, it's a phenomenon with leather seats on "most" cars.

    5) Ride too smooth? Easy to fix that. Buy some 16" wheels/tires & buy some stiffer shocks/struts. That is if you want to spend the money.

    7) Never heard of this problem. DOes it rattle with coins in it?? You could try to glue some thin foam strips to the bottom of the ashtray. It may get rid of the rattles.
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    1) The missing drain tubes might be an indication of a rear-end collision that was improperly repaired. I would have a Lexus dealer look at that one.

    2) A number of months ago, there were many folks complainig about rattling ash trays. You might look back and see if there were any home-grown fixes you could apply to yours.

    3) Try using Lexol on the seats. It cleans, moisturizes and protects them without leaving them slick.

    4) As remus mentioned, you can modify a car to ride and handle any way you prefer. All it takes is money.
  • yupyup2yupyup2 Posts: 4
    I was thinking of changing out the leather steering wheel on my MB to a wood/leather one as well. Another guy posted that he did that and the MB dealer charged him +/- $1000 for total parts and labor. Hey for $1000 you at least get to hang your old one up in your garage somewhere. But it just wasn't worth the money to me. Good luck.
  • dp03798dp03798 Posts: 1
    I just bought an es300 with less than 14,000 miles from a Lexus certified dealer. (in black)
    I also got a 3 yr 100,000 mile Lexus warranty.
    The dealer initially said 24,900, I got him down to 24,000 and signed on the spot.
    I picked up the car on Friday and it looks great.
    just wondering if this is as good a deal as my dealer said I was getting.?
    One more question I am interested in making my car radio a little stronger but I heard it is difficult to upgrade a Lexus stereo system. any advice?
  • r3ficor3fico Posts: 11
    remus26, tlswhiz, rickc5 : thanks for the input.

    I will look into replacing the struts/shocks/wheels and provided this is not obscenely expensive I will seriously consider going ahead with the upgrade. The car has 50K miles on it and could use new shocks/struts anyway. What shocks/struts do you suggest?

    rickc5: the tubes are there they just weren't inserted into the holes (no pun intended :-)). But your point about a possible rear-end collision is noted and I will get this checked out by the local nexus dealer over the weekend if possible. Will also give Lexol a try.

    remus26: the ashtray rattles when it is empty. Maybe "rattles" is too strong a word to use, but there is a mild rattling/clicking sound nevertheless. This happens only when I am driving over a bump road, on smooth stretches there is no problem. I've found that leaving the ashtray half open completely eliminates the rattle. Will try sticking sorbothane or felt in the gaps as you suggested and see if this helps.

    tlswhiz : will check w/ the Lexus dealer about getting the seat belts replaced. Unfortunately this is not a Lexus Certified car (bought this at the Acura dealer) so this may present a problem but I will try anyway. The markup for a Certified Lexus ES 300 was huge and at that price it makes more sense to sustain the extra damage of $6000 and spring for a new ES 300.

    Will keep you updated ....
  • ved3ved3 Posts: 43
    tlswhiz,
    great sense of humor. thanks for your concern
    but it's all good. actually my car has had
    problems but all minor. no major ones like tranny,
    engine, suspension, brakes, belts, etc.

    ugmd20,
    hey congrats on your new ES. welcome to the
    lexus ownership.

    r3fico,
    I had a slight noise in the ashtry area, like it's
    coming from a small rattle snake, but I could
    never pin point the problem. then it just
    disappeared. I didn't think it was the ashtray
    until I read about it on this forum. I'm still
    not sure whether it was the ashtry. but it's gone
    so mine is ok.
    I never had a problem with water in the trunk or
    anywhere.
    about the leather seats, I only find it slippery
    when I try to moisturize it with synthetic cleaner
    that is used on leather. now I usually wipes it
    with warm water and it's fine.

    dp03798,
    congratulations! you can try to upgrade to
    Nakamichi but I have no idea how much it would
    cost. if the upgrade is not done by lexus, it
    may affect your warranty. only way to be sure is
    to ask the dealer.
  • remus26remus26 Posts: 34
    r3fico,

    Highly suggest buying struts from either Koni or Tokico. And I would look at some aftermarket performance stores and shop prices around. The performance struts/shocks will still keep the ride nice & comfy but will also improve handling in the turns. Replacing all 4 struts/shocks and installation should cost you under $1K. That is if you take to someone other than a Lexus dealer.
  • remus26remus26 Posts: 34
    dp03798,

    I would recommend not even trying to upgrade to the Nakamichi stereo in a ES300. First, it will be extremely expensive(you're looking at upwards of a $3K bill). Why? You have to replace basically the whole stereo system. The head unit has to be changes, the speakers have to be changed and the amplifiers have to be changed. VERY VERY EXPENSIVE job.
  • remus26remus26 Posts: 34
    r3fico,

    I would suggest checking out and/or calling some places. First is www.rodmillen.com Second is www.trdusa.com Get the numbers for technical assistance from both websites and call them and see what they have that will fit your model year ES300. TRDUSA website doesn't have anything for the ES300 listed, but struts/shocks for the 97-01 Camry should fit the 97-01 ES300.
  • rollomanrolloman Posts: 64
    I have a 96 ES with 105K miles. I've been told that my bushings need to be replaced on my front wheels/struts.

    My brake guy will do it, if I purchase the bushings from Lexus. Cost around $600 plus labor.

    Can I go somewhere else besides Lexus that stocks these bushings? Will Toyota parts fit ES for a better price?

    Help....Please respond if you have knowledge in this area. My steering is starting to crackle when I turn and I'm concerned things could get worse soon.

    Much appreciation!
  • tfk2tfk2 Posts: 2
    I generally like my 99 ES 300. I bought it new but from day 1 have had trouble with the VSC light coming on. They have reset the computer on several ocassions, replaced the sensor out of the manifold etc. etc. It will work for a few months then surface again. Has anyone else had this problem. I heard it is a computer problem on the 99 model???
  • rebelskrebelsk Posts: 65
    Has anyone seen pictures of the car on the net? Any new details heard? thanks
  • My 94 ES was in an accident 2 days before Christmas (Merry Christmas... ) about $8k of damage, Hood, Fenders, etc... You get the idea.. After several return trips back the the Lexus Dealer to get them to re-repair and align panels, I think it is almost back to normal. ( I would NEVER take it back to the Dealer for repair)

    The Horn Switch was damaged on the steering wheel. They fixed it today.

    QUESTION: The horn doesn't sound the same. I was looking (listening) under the hood for the horns but I found only one. Can someone tell me where the horns are located on this car?
  • robc69robc69 Posts: 3
    I am looking to lease the ES300 with leather, sunroof, etc. I was wondering if anyone could share their lease deals on here. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
  • ugmd20ugmd20 Posts: 11
    robc69,

    Last week I leased a new 2001 Coach Edition for $498/mo + $25 (5% tax rate) = $523/mo (15,000 mile allowance per year). The lease duration is 39 months. This might not be the best deal out there, but I thought it was pretty good. This particular dealer gave me more for my trade-in than Carmax was going to. We put no money down and walked away with them owing us money. We drove away that day giving them only the first month's payment and tax,tag, title.

    We are Costco members, so that may have helped out a little. If you live in a bigger market with a Costco and a participating dealer you will probably get a better price than someone off the street.

    I would also recommend going for the Coach Edition. It's not much more.
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