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Lexus ES 300/ES 330

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  • djlinkdjlink Posts: 3
    I just sold my 98 es300 w 64k for $21k, it was in perfect condition. If you have time look around for a one owner private seller, you should do better than with the dealer. I loved my car but would consider an acura TL or infinity I30 if the deal was right. That said I,ve got a 2002 GS300 on order, the Lexus experience has been first class. Good luck, shopping is half the fun.
  • jamrock4jamrock4 Posts: 53
    Ever since I received my copy of Autoweek with the report on the new ES300 and a very nice picture on the front cover, the ES300 has started to grow on me. I do not see myself spending $38,000 for the priviledge of owning this thing but I am most definitely interested in a test drive. Do not know who you bribed :) to participate in the test drive on Saturday. Appreciated your report and I am looking forward to conducting my own personal review in October.
  • rollomanrolloman Posts: 64
    ...on the Test Drive Event. Sounds like the ES won you over.

    Did you feel any noticeable improvement in interior head/leg room in front/back seat? My only pet peeve about the ES is that is has so much less interior room than LS.

    Any other thoughts on the 02 ES would be enjoyed. Thanks.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The interior definitely felt roomy. I'm 6', and there was plenty of headroom. In addition to the room, the front seats felt wider than today's current car. My friend who went with me now drives a 1997 ES 300, and he felt it was much roomier than his car. The back seemed roomier too, but I did not have a chance to actually sit back there.

    Some neat little observations:

    1. There is a sunglass holder above the rearview mirror (I think the 2001 has this too).
    2. There are now separate reading lights in the same panel, one for the driver and one for the passenger.
    3. There are beautiful metal scuff plates at all four doors that say Lexus.
    4. If you are in the car and the door is locked, you do not need to unlock the door to open. Simply pulling the inside handle unlocks the door (although the dealer can change this if desired).
    5. There is no keyhole on the outside front passenger door handle.
    6. There is a light inside the center console between the front seats.
    7. There is a neat trip computer under the speedometer with controls on the steering wheel.
    8. The wood is simply gorgeous.
    9. There is a leather cover that hides the rear seat cupholders when not in use (they're in the center armrest).
    10. I think the daytime running lights can be turned off, but I'm not positive on this.
    11. The compass in the rearview mirror is neat.
    12. There is a hook on the passenger side of the center console that retracts to hold a purse or small grocery bag from sliding around.
    13. Since it was raining that day, I have to say the rain-sensing wipers work very well. The wipers were on when a puddle splashed the windshield and all of a sudden the wipers switched to high for a minute to clear the extra water. Also, the side water-repellent windows work nicely as well.
    14. There are rear seat air vents.
    15. In the current ES, if you have the AVS, the cupholders block the switch when in use. In the 2002 the cupholders block nothing.
    16. The coat hooks in the back are improved and retract from the headliner.

    A few days before the event I went to a Toyota dealer to check out the new Camry. While I think the Camry is a great car, there are NO similarities between it and the 2002 ES anymore in terms of looks. The 2001s did kind of look alike, but that didn't bother me. But the new ones are just completely different all the way around.
  • rollomanrolloman Posts: 64
    I enjoyed all of your observations. Since I'm 6'3", the extra head and leg room is important. I'm looking forward to a test-drive soon.

    Keep in touch with any additional thoughts.

    Appreciate it!
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    I took a 2001 ES300 for a test-drive the other day and I noticed a hissing sound coming from the engine compartment. It sounded like it was coming from the air conditioner and sounded as if it was coming from the passenger side of the vehicle. It was not irritating but one could definitely hear it. I did read about this before on a review page. Are any owners here familiar with the sound or was it just that particular vehicle. The air conditioner was on when I drove it. I did not try to turn the air off. Any opinions?
  • The A/C hisses in my 2000 ES300 as well when it is on. I think it is "normal" and I listed it as a problem on the owner satisfaction survey from Lexus. Maybe they've improved the design for 2002.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    I went to the web page of leasebanc.com and saw a lease that looked almost too good to be true.

    Does anyone have any experience with this company or have they got a similar lease through Lexus Finance?


    http://www.leasebanc.com/eloan/leasenow/quickquote.php?FQID=CBC50506-F63B-11D4-B4D7-0002B30AE45E

  • It is too good to be true. The problem with that lease quote is that they are quoting you a cap cost at $1,000-2,000 below invoice (depending on how the car is equipped). While the 2001 ES's are being discounted, they aren't going for below invoice.

    It's unrealistic, that's all.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    Too bad. A 2001 ES300 is not what I really want, but I would gladly take it at that price.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    It looks like the deal was for an ES300 with VP, wood steering wheel, wheel locks and trunk mat.
    Those few options do not add up to the MSRP they listed at $36473.00, but it might be a good deal if it still is the cost they listed.
    If I can get it for the monthly cost they listed with no cap reduction, I may take it anyway.
    That still is almost $2K below invoice so it might not be possible. I'll know if this is a sleazy company that uses bait and switch in a day or two when they contact me with the price.
  • Has anyone found out when it will arrive on dealer lots? I know the official release date is Oct. 1st but usually cars arrive on the lots a few weeks in advance. Thanks.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    why not call your local dealer?
  • My dealer is in Portland, OR and they are getting cars over this weekend--
    they said to expect pricing of around $39K
    although here is what I expect
    32K--base MSRP with destination (32,050)
    This time it has moonroof standard
    $500 for HID, $400 for heated seats--$5000 for nav/mark levinson and atleast $1500 more for leather
    you can easily shoot to 42K with chrome wheels etc but my dealer says they are confident it will remain $40K or less to not compete with GS300 sales
    Two colors I a opting for are Mystic sea green and Black garnet--will let you know when I get either
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The dealers by me say they don't know when the cars are arriving, that one day the trucks will just pull up.

    Are you sure about the moonroof being standard? I thought it was still optional.

    I saw both colors you are considering in person at the 2002 test drive two weeks ago. The Mystic Sea is a little dull but still sharp, although you almost never see an LS or GS in that color even though it's offered. The Black Garnet was REAL nice.

    I want mine in silver with a black interior.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    2001s ad an MSRP of $34,073 with Lexus value package on all cars at my local dealer. They said the 2002s would go for about $36K or so...anything higher and you are competing with the GS....
  • I have just received an invitation from JMLexus in the Ft Lauderdale area to view the 02 ES301
    at Town Center at Boca Raton- Nordstrom's Wing on Sept 12th at 7pm.
  • IMHO, the ES still looks too similar to it's Camry cousin. The two cars are indeed different from one another, but the differences seem very minor. Check out the pic:

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    Last note, Tokyo retail prices range from Y3.2-3.86 million (US$26,685-32,190)for the Windom. Also, if you want to see Toyotas that will probably end up being Lexus models, check out
    "auto-asia.com" and take a look at the Brevis and Verossa models.

  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    Looks really are subjective. I actually think this is the first time the ES and Camry are vastly different. Only the headlights are similar, but that's expected from a Toyota product. The Camry has sharp angles around all windows, whereas the ES is very round like the GS. If you see the two cars together in a side profile you'll see they don't really look alike at all. Also, the Camry has much taller windows, while the ES closes in its occupants much more. And the back ends are totally different. Plus, the Camry has very flat sides and the ES has that thickly characater line. Having seen both cars in person, I can say the Camry is very boxy and upright like the Avalon and the ES has a fluid, steeply raked roofline.

    I doubt the Brevis or Verossa will be Lexus models any time soon. They are priced similar to the ES and IS, and there is no room in the Lexus lineup for four cars all priced about the same. That's my opinion, but I do agree those look like nice cars.
  • well lenscap-thx for supporting garnet black :)
    folks, I got the es brochure--it says moonroof is standard
    now for the price
    assuming
    base+ destination is still 32,050
    nav and mark levinson will be atleast 5K (actually it is 7k with leather on Gs 300)
    now heated seats =400
    HID are packaged with rear shade= 550?
    adaptive suspension=1000
    trc and brake assist with VSC=600
    chrome wheels =1700

    so that could be lot of moolah
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