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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    Well, is it any surprise that has poor (and incorrect) numbers for mileage for it's competition?

    If you go to, it lists it as 20/26, the exact same mileage Edmunds lists for the I35.

    Methinks Lexus is trying to pull a fast one.
  • gambhirgambhir Posts: 64
    I applaud lexus for their conservative approach and historic accuracy of statistics--In fact Infiniti is the one first claiming 260 hp for I35 and then backtracking to 255 and now being elusive about G35 info--Lexus is very accurate and I got very good mileage (27) on my current car 2000 ES only so 29 for the new car is a no-brainer
    Way to go Lexus!
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    How much info do you want about the G35?

    If you want pricing, specs, etc., then Lexus has been just as 'elusive' with the new ES since pricing and equipment lists only came out a couple of weeks ago. So is Lexus elusive, too?

    And regardless of whether the I35 has 255 or 260, it's still a heck of a lot more than the ES has :)
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    Did anybody see that Lexus swept the J.D. Power APEAL awards that were released this past Monday?

    LS 430 -- #1 most appealing premium luxury car
    GS 300/430 -- #1 most appealing mid-luxury car
    ES 300 -- #1 most appealing exntry luxury car (IS 300 was #2)

    The APEAL study measures what excites and delights new vehicle owners with their vehicle's features and designs. The study includes over 110 attributes consumers like and dislike in the following eight categories:

    1. Exterior styling
    2. Engine and transmission
    3. Comfort and convenience
    4. Ride, handling and braking
    5. Seats
    6. Heating, ventilation and cooling
    7. Cockpit and instrument panel
    8. Sound system
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    Well, if the IS was #2, sales obviously don't count. If the IS300 is so appealing, why is Lexus way behind it's sales goals (or at least was last time I looked)?
  • I do appreciate your insightful comments, but why not go over to the I35 and Audi forums to rant about Lexus and the new ES? It seems you're here mainly to defend your past purchases of your A4 and your wife's I30.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    I'm not 'defending' anything. Like I said, all I'm here for is to make sure facts are not misrepresented (such as ghambir trying to understate the I35's EPA estimates).
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The study measures how appealing a car is to its owner, not to the public in general. Clearly those who buy your beloved Audi and Infiniti are not quite as thrilled with their purchase once they get the car home and drive it for a while as are Lexus buyers. But then again, that's no surprise.

    It's interesting how you seem to spend so much time on this board. Typically people hang around other people/things they like. I for the life of me can't figure out why you spend so much time on a board for a car that you really seem to dislike made by a company you dislike even more. One of life's mysteries.
  • tgif888tgif888 Posts: 351
    Isn't life full of mysteries? =)
  • gambhirgambhir Posts: 64
    I agree--don't understand why mmcbride is wasting time here--or perhaps then he has too much of it available--I think we should learn about es and its features here than admire infiniti on this board
    And mmcbride-you got my name wrong like all the other facts about lexus :)
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    What facts have I gotten wrong? I would like you to tell me. Because one of my pet peeves is people posting inaccurate information as it may alter someone's decision. If they have all of the facts and still want X car, so be it.

    But you guys in here constantly post misleading information about the ES's competition (I30/35 and TL/TL-S). If this is the only source for something that people read, I'd at least like it to be accurate. That way they can make an informed decision.

    The whole mileage thing is just one example.
  • parnolaparnola Posts: 140
    Say it ain't so - I just looked at and it looks like you can only get the Mark Levinson system with Navigation. What if I don't want to blow $1500 or whatever on Nav?

    Also, I didn't see the option for heated seats. Are they standard now??
  • rebelskrebelsk Posts: 65
    If you want the Mark Levinson system without the Navigation system, then you have to order a car from Japan which takes 3 months. I know as i ordered mine that way.
  • gambhirgambhir Posts: 64
    Hi-heated seats are an option--see
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    Nobody here is intentionally providing wrong information, and nothing that has been said is so inaccurate that it would cause somebody to make an unwanted purchase decision.

    Everyone makes mistakes because nobody knows everything.

    Even you get facts wrong. As you'll recall, you're the one on the I35 board who said the I35 had every feature the ES 300 did, while I was able to list about 12-15 items the ES has that the I35 does not. Based on your post, someone would falsely believe the I35 had side curtain airbags or real wood trim or 4-wheel independent suspension.

    So you made a mistake and the correct information came out. That's what these boards are for -- sharing info and learning.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    And you will remember that I admitted I was wrong when you told me the facts.

    gambhir, OTOH, has made no such concession. In fact, he even re-quoted the wrong info after I informed him of the error, and said 'good for Lexus' or something like that.

    And I could be wrong, but I believe the I35's wood trim may be real (Infiniti's website was little help here). I know the I30's is not, though. It definitely is different.

    While the I35 may not have side curtain airbags, it does have side airbags for the front occupants and it has active headreasts to reduce the risk of whiplash for the front passengers in case of an accident. The ES does not have that feature (or if it does, Lexus doesn't tell people about it).
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's move on now and just stick to the cars. If someone has opinions of this vehicle that you don't care to read, just skip the messages.

    We are here to talk about the ES 300, not each other - please keep that in mind. Several posts have been removed.

    If anyone wants to compare this vehicle to any others, please hop over to our Comparisons - Sedans vs. Sedans board and either join a discussion in progress, or feel free to fire up a new one if the comparison in which you are interested is not already underway.

    Sedans Message Board
  • davxx1davxx1 Posts: 1
    I have been waiting months for the new ES300 to come out and as others have noticed, only a few configurations of options are being delivered to dealers.
    If they had what I wanted I would buy today, but they don't. So I went to my local LEXUS dealer today (LEXUS OF RENO), and was told I could order exactly the car I wanted, with the normal delivery time as described on other posts.
    However, they demanded a check for $5000.00 for a special order. They said they would not cash the check, and destroy it when I took delivery of the car I ordered. But in the event I did not buy the car when it came in, they would cash the check and I would forfeit the money.
    Like I said earlier, I do want the car, but I was offended by this practice, I have never had a dealer require this on any other vehicle I have ordered.
    Has any one else experienced this practice.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    It's a common practice among luxury import dealers in my area (NYC suburb) to ask for a 10% downpayment on special orders. I ordered a BMW 330i earlier this year & had to fork over 10% of the total cost (including sales tax) of the car. While I wasn't thrilled by this, I could understand the dealer's position. My order was for a car with a 5-speed manual - not an easy configuration to sell in my area had I subsequently backed out of the deal.

    If you decide to go ahead with the transaction, I strongly suggest that you pay the $5000 with a credit card instead of a check. This protects you if the dealer fails to deliver the car - because, say, of a business failure. You could then ask your bank to reverse the charge. But if the dealer fails to deliver the car after you've given him a $5000 check, you'll have a much harder time getting back your money.

    I would not do business with any dealer that refused to accept my credit card for a downpayment.
  • suv2002suv2002 Posts: 20

    I ordered a Millennium Silver '02 with a light charcoal leather interior. I hope to get it within a few weeks. It's part of the dealer's allotment, so nothing other than a $500 deposit was asked for. It will have everything but nav and Levinson.
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