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Mercedes-Benz S-Class

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  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    When I ordered my E500 the salesman told me the new S would be arriving late Aug/Sept with the E and CLK. Almost all the new stuff available for the E will be available on the S and then some. I think the 'additions' refer to things like 4 matic, electronic brakes, upgraded engines, and the surround sound audio system. I would be surprised to see a 'new baged' model. I love the car althougth I am turning in my S for the E because I want a smaller more driver oriented maching.
  • dzanone1dzanone1 Posts: 8
    at an 89 420 SEL garage kept and one owner as a second occasional car for my husband and myself. My daughter just got the license and wants to drive my Jeep and my husband travels and takes his company car. What do people think?
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  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    That is a wonderful car. It is before the days of major electronic do-dads. Personally I would feel MUCH better with my daughter in the Mercedes, it is a much safer vehicle, especially if your Jeep is the Wrangler open type.

    I can't think of any specific faailings of that series of MB. The typically run 250k miles without incident. The only pitfall is that, unless already converted, it runs the old AC refrigerant R-12 which is scarce and expensive. Converting the system to the new 134a is also a costly thing. Something to consider with the purchase price.
  • benznutbenznut Posts: 104
    ...will have an upgraded interior, of a much better quality. Hinted are a new generation of 4-valve engines, as well as a detuned Maybach Type12 making 495hp. The 55 should have the 476hp superchraged engine
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    My '91 Mercedes was the "last" of the old style. It was an absolutely beautiful car (black/Palomino) but between 78,000-82,000 miles, we lived at the dealership. I was hoping to get "250,000" miles but it was just not to be. I had spent about $7,000 in repairs over the last three years that I had it; which included

    New fuel injection (twice, dealer paid for 2nd repair) $2,000
    New power steering gear box $2,000
    Rear tail light leaked water $300 (never wrecked)
    Rear window actuator $300
    New radiator $600
    Engine gaskets $500

    there were a few other repairs I can remember at the moment, so in Oct of '99 I bought a new 2000 E430 sport with a Warranty! I haven't had an ounce of trouble and probably will not keep a car past the warranty period.

    I kept worrying that the air condition was going to go, but, I didn't keep the 560SEL long enough to find out and didn't want to put any more money in a older car.

    Happy Motoring, Mark
  • vic19vic19 Posts: 56
    I leased a 93 S Class for 5 years. It was in warranty for 4 and out for 1. The car had a very touchy front end. As the tires wore the steering wheel would develop a slight tremble, there was no way to get rid of it without puting on new tires. I received a class action award of $1,200 that was at least partially due to the front end instability.

    I can't remember all the reasons the car was in the shop, but I can remember many unscheduled sessions at the dealership.

    It certainly was the most complex car ever built. The side view mirrors would fold back to give the car the more side clearance, all the doors would pull in the last notch with a motor. That was just the beginning. I think you're really asking for it if you buy a used one.
  • ejerodejerod Posts: 86
    I leased my 2001 S500 with AMG package in November 2000. IN a 15 month period it had to be serviced no less than 8 times for various electical and mechanical problems. Needless to say I was not happy. The district manager came down and discounted a new 2002 for me and bought my old car back for about 10k more than book. Still not the happiest guy in the world since my lease payment still went up due to depreciation of the old car and appreciation of the new. I'd gone out and looked at other cars and the only one that even came close to making me want to purchase was the new BMW 745 Li. More car and less money. Still I have to admit I love the S500. There is nothing on the road that turns more heads and in spite of what the critics say about the COMAND system it becomes second nature after a few weeks of playing with it. SO far the new car has performed like a Mercedes Benz should. The dealer was more than gracious and attentive when I told them to take the car back and they put me on the VIP list to boot. Again, I'm not ecstatic, but given the fact that the dealer could have made it more difficult than it already was, I have to say I'm satisfied.. the moral of the story ? Make sure the car you buy isn't manufactured on a Friday or Monday..
  • torbytorby Posts: 1
    S500, 1998 with 51,000 miles.

    Transmission just blew out, which is very unusual, I am told...

    Has anyone heard of any issues surrounding the transmission for this model year??

    Has there been any manufacturers problems or other.

    Please advise if you know where to go to review and possibly claim, since this repair should not have been necessary.

    Thx
  • ttdang123ttdang123 Posts: 6
    Hi

    I am looking into a 1997 S320 LWB with 55000 miles. This is a Southern CA car. Any advices on how this car would hold up or expenses would be appreciated very much.

    Thanks
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    My brother is looking at a 1983 380SEL. It has 154,000 miles, and seems to run well. Are there any specefic problem areas that he should look for? How much longer will this car last? There is no sludge or depositing at all under the valve covers - looks very clean. There are a few minor rust spots - is rust a problem on these cars? Also the car seems to just sit there as the gas is slowly applied then seems to take off rather quickly - is this just a characteristic of the car (being fairly heavy with a small v-8 and needs a few rpms to get going). Once moving it has plenty of power.

    The asking price is $2,900. Is that reasonable?
  • Hi Dudley! I drive a 1985 380SE with 102,000 miles on it, and I absolutely love the car. I'm the original owner. I just put in a reservation on a new 2003 E320, but if I didn't sell real estate and feel social pressure about driving a 17-year-old MB, I could drive this car forever! The problem area for me has been the transmission, which I have just replaced for the second time. The first one went at 60,000 and the second went at just over 100,000. But I do zillions of really short trips, so I'm particularly hard on a transmission. I live at the beach, and I have absolutely no rust after 17 years. I have plenty of zip with my v8, but it is a heavy car, and you have to stick your foot in it a bit--it will certainly feel sluggish if you apply the gas slowly. Once he gets the feel of driving this car, though, I think he'll be very happy with its acceleration. I would have a trusted mechanic check the car out very carefully. I love the looks of the new cars, but I have really mixed emotions of letting this car go. It's a beautiful well-loved workhorse that was built at a time when they didn't have all of these excessive electronic doodads that are going to cost a fortune to replace. By the way, my detailer, who collects and shows classic cars, keeps marveling at the quality of the materials of the car.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Thanks for your advice!
  • tiger40tiger40 Posts: 10
    Can anyone help...I bought the AMG 5 spoke 220 rims (8.5 front/9.5 rear) with Potenza S03's (245/45/18 front and 275/40/18 rear) for my S430. This is the exact dimensions of tires and rims for the S55 and S500/S430 sport. However the tires are slightly rubbing over bumps. I was told that they are the same vehicle W220 and should not rub. I can raise the car (with the airmatic) and they seem to be ok...but over 75mph...the vehicle comes back down and I have to press the button again. Is there anything I can do??? Maybe set the shocks so that they stay up .....My wife thought I was crazy paying all that money on rims and tires....and now she is getting a big laugh because they now rub. HELP!!!!

    Roscoe
  • benznutbenznut Posts: 104
    You need to have the fender lips modified. The sport package vehicles have this service done from the factory.
  • stecotstecot Posts: 1
    I had at least 7 Mercedes since 1981. They were all new except for a '74 450SL. They have been great cars and virtually trouble free. My newest car is a 2001 S430. To all of you considering a new S-Class, DON'T. Drive, take a cab or run away from your Mercedes dealer. My 2001 S430 and other S-Class owners I have spoken to are having many quality problems with their cars. As an example, My car spent 6+ weeks in the first 6 months of use in the shop. They had to order VIN specific parts for my car. The parts came in for a right hand car and we had to wait longer. I think Mercedes has lost its way and obviously doesn't know its left from their right hand. Almost everything electronic has been replaced including the computer, instrument binnacle, fuel management system, front breaks, navigation system, speech recognition system, all keys and locks, the in car phone base unit, windshield washer hoses, a piece of drivers seat trim, the fuel tank vent valve, noisy windshield wiper blades twice, etc. In addition we are on our third Motorola cell phone which was an $1100+ option!!!!! You can get virtually the same phone for $.01 with selected cellular plans and it's overpriced at that. Incidentally, our second navigation system isn't working correctly. This car and many other S-Class cars are LEMONS. Stay away from them. My second car is a Hyundai Elantra GT, loaded to he gills for less than $14000. I can count on it to always run and the quality is unbelievable for the price. I will never buy a MB again.
  • roger58roger58 Posts: 3
    In contrast to "stecot's" post previously, I have had my 2001 S500 sport since early last year, and it has been totally reliable. In fact, the only service that has been done are oil changes and winter tire changeovers. No squeaks, rattles, electrical gremlins or mechanical failures have occurred. I am extremely happy. So much so that I have ordered a 2003 S55 AMG. I think stecot, that you must have purchased one of the rare 'bad' ones.
  • tiger40tiger40 Posts: 10
    Benznut et al,

    Thanks for the advice on the tires I posted last week (1185). However the fender does NOT need to be modified....you must take the car in to have the shock absorbers re calibrated. I was very pleased to learn this and I was very happy to pay the $200 for the 3 hours of labor that was done via computer. Now my S55 AMG tires fit very nicely on my S430. If anyone wants to put the larger tires on a non sport or AMG S Class....you will need to take it to the merc dealer to get the shocks adjusted.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Interesting. Airmatic adjustment?

    M
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    Here are the photos of the 2003 S-Class. Hardly any change except bumpers, headlights projection and tail lights. Nothing about any interior upgrades. If this is true MB might really loose sales to BMW, AUDI(A8), the new Jag, the Bentley MSB series, and Phaeton until the 2006 models come out. I really don't like the new tail lights. Any comments by our MB fans


    http://mbspy.bacosys.be/w220fl.htm

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah I too hope there is more in store for the 2003 S.

    M
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    I like the new tail lights and the front end is starting to grow on me with the 2003 changes improving it further. I don't think MB has to worry about losing sales to the other competors due to model changes. The BMW styling is polarizing (i like it). Sales of the Phaeton is anybody's guess but it is targeted at current VW customers not current MB customers. My real point is that I think that the S class continues to hold a unique spot in the marketplace. It's real challenge is maintaining allegience to the values that created that unique spot in the first place.
  • e6987ktle6987ktl Posts: 1
    I'm looking to purchase a 94 S500 with 110K miles. Is it a reliable and nice vehicles to own? What are the problems with it that I should consider. The asking price is 21K.
    Appreciate your inputs.
    Thanks
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    Looks like tail lights, headlight lenses, bumpers, some interior materials upgrades, upgraded engines in the S55 S600, 4 Matic option, and button changes on the center console around the COMAND system are all that is in store for the next 3 years until the complete redesign is released. Not bad for a already good car but I wished for more. The Auto Bild article implies than MB has put so much $ and time into the CLK, E, and CLE models coming out that there wasn't much left for the S, and they would rather look toward MY2006.

    http://mbspy.bacosys.be/w220fl.htm
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    It seems that might be true, I too was hoping for more with this "facelift".

    M
  • mbdannymbdanny Posts: 1
    Anybody with suggestions ? Should I go for the dirt cheap end year model S500?
    Or should i just wait it out a month or two and go for the face lifted 2003 s-class for a few bucks more a month ?
    Any of you like the AMG frames/tires ?
    I prefer a softer ride, but also a cooler looking tires, looking for a compromise

    mbdanny
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I'd wait and see what the 2003 models have to offer, if you don't just "need" a new car right away.

    M
  • jagboyxtypejagboyxtype Posts: 241
    <http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/5703_image.jpg>


    It gets Maybach-inspired headlights and a longer wheel-base. Modified Maybach engine is to be used in top of the line model.

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Nah that drawing/pic is just a alteration of the current C-Class.

    M
  • jagboyxtypejagboyxtype Posts: 241
    Yeah, I thought it looked too enhanced and knew it was an alteration, but I wouldn't be surprised if it looks a bit more like this. For some reason, it reminds me of the old S-Class, that big more sqared off one.


    Here is the real deal, but not dessed for the occasion:


    <http://thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/5704_image.jpg>


    Notice how the A-pillar kind of grows out of the side and hood of the car like the new E and CLK models.

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