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Mercedes-Benz S-Class

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  • s550iwishs550iwish Posts: 28
    I was at our local Mercedes Dealer here in Vegas to buy the ML350 and when i got there they had 1 dark blue S550. When i was waiting for the papers to be brought back it was gone!! I asked the salesman about it and he said that was the last one they had!! It didnt surprise me because i see them all over the road!!
  • benztunerbenztuner Posts: 76
    a customer of mine wanted a new S class, he went to the local dealership in NC to find one. He wanted white with other specific options, he really wanted to do the "Build Your Own" option but was told that option had been indefinately suspended for the S class because the factory couldnt keep up with the "regualr" production demands. Anyways, he wanted a white S class and he had to end up buying the Designo Mystic White with white interior/black piano wood S600 because it was the only white S class the dealership could find, at least on the East coast. Its good to see Mercedes didnt fall behind in the large sedan category, because at least in this area the E65 7 series was killing the W220 S class in sales. The S class always has been a great car, and the legend continues with this new model.
  • a2fa2f Posts: 1
    I love 90% of the things about my 07 S550 which I have had since October 06. I am amazed that MB does not offer the real time traffic coding in the Navagtion system like many of the Japanese Car makers do or like Google Maps does on my TREO. They also charge a fortune for the IPOD adapter for the Audio system and give information that discourages you from wanting to get the bluetooth adapter for a phone other than the overpriced one they try to sell - the adapter works excellent with my TREO except the directory functions, caller id on inbound calls etc do not work... They also put the manual downshift controls in an awful place - behind the back of the steering wheel where the average driver probably accidently pushes them way too often.

    All in all those are not major complaints for an automobile however you would think that for over $90k that would do a more complete job on the little nagging issues.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    I see late model (e.g., 04, 05) used S600's out there and the little boy in me thinks that it might be cool to have a V12 for a couple of years. Am I nuts? Are the S600's maintenance nightmares like the V12 Bimmers? If you could get a S600 for an S500 price is it a good deal or best avoided?
  • The S600 catch. The reason you find all of these slightly used Mercedes-Benz V12 and AMG cars that are a couple years old is because of service fees. It is extremely expensive to repair almost anything on the V12/AMG cars because they are so intricately designed. Also witht these cars they have more "stuff" under the hood, therefore there is more to go wrong. There is a crazy amount of stuff under these hoods, oil cooler, intercooler, etc. The vacuum system in these cars is outrageous. For example, I own a Mercedes-Benz certified collision center and we recently repaired a 2005 S600 with about $73,000.00 damage; actually the car shouldve been a total but anyways. The car was bought for $167,000.00 new and was only worth about $70,000.00 now with less than 20k miles. Anyways, we finished all of our repairs and went to take it to the dealership and it began jerking like it didnt want to pull, as it turned out it was only running off of 2 of 12 cylinders. The vac system had to be completely cleared then have a system cleaning fluid ran completely through, then have fresh fluid ran into the lines. Everything on these cars is expensive too. I am not saying dont buy the car but you need to look at the past service work on the individual car, look at the Mercedes-Benz past service bulletins and compare the typcial problems with the car with what has actually be repaired on the car you're looking at. Be very careful, you can find some hidden gems in the piles no doubt and the cars are great, i personally love the W220 V12 and AMG cars; take your time and do your homework and you'll be satisfied at the end of the day. I hope you find what you're looking for. Good luck.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Benztuner, thanks. For a guy who was raised on stories on how you could balance a quarter on the hood of a Caddy V12 (or was it a Packard?) and then spent some time in a Hemi powered M113 during Vietnam, big bore engines are always a a turn on. But, from what you have said, the S600 thing seems like a losers game. In the end you have no way of knowing if the car you just "stole" will bite you in the butt.
  • It is something i hate to admit because I love the Mercedes-Benz brand so much, and the V12 is their elite car, but its a matter of fact. The one thing i didnt mention is that if you have a V12/AMG car who has had up to date service work done by a Mercedes-Benz dealership then you'd be good. And if you could buy the car from a Mercedes-Benz dealership you'd be even better because of the warranty. I have always loved the S class, from the big Mob style W140 to the completely new age look of the W220 car and now the W221. The S class has always been a great car that Mercedes has been able to reinvent and somehow make it better. The V12 engines are remarkable when you look at what it is, how it is built, and more importantly what it is capable aof. For example, I recently had a customer buy a 2007 S600 Designo Mystic White, a beautiful car. We put a WALD kit on it including exhaust, Kahn 20" wheels, lowered the car about 30mm, and added a RENNTech stage 1 kit for about $7000. The customer paid about $145,000.00 for the car stock and by the time we were finished the car was a couple thousand less than the S65; but it had all the same specs. Stock Hp in the S600 is 510, the RENNTech upgrade boosts HP to 620 (the same as S65) and torque from 612 to 740 lb/ft. These cars are great drivers, they have great power and personally the W220 S600, S65, and S55 are incredible cars with a really torquey feel. If you can get one with complete service books in good shape, that hasnt been expoilted too much by previous owners, with low miles then you should be ok. If you look long enough you should be able to find something suitable because there is a very small market for a two or three year old V12, and typically the people who buy them initially arent driving them hard at all; mostly its a status thing and just to say they have it. Anyways, nomatter what you decide i wanted to tell you that there are some definate GEMS out there, ive seen a couple myself but they can be hard to find so dont give up and definately dont compromise on something like this. Good luck again. No problem anytime i can help give me a shout.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Benztuner, you are a good guy and one I think I would like to lift a couple of 12 ounce weights with and swap car stories. Now, I'm not trying to break your rice bowl, but to do a one piece at a time (remember that country song?) upgrade to a customer's S600 may not be a good deal for the customer. If his final cost was within a couple of grand of a S65 he should have bought one. Not ruined the resale on an S600. Right now he has probably no resale on his tricked out S600 unless he can find an NBA player who has never heard of an S65 and hasn't had any contact with the ref that just got indicted.
  • Thanks. It depends on what the customer is using the car for, in this case the customer wanted a unique car and he intends on keeping it for a little while. Unfortunately, the price of both cars drops dramatically when they're titled, but thats just the way things are. He knows the risks of custom work and he was satisfied with the possible loss during re-sale, but ill be straight he isnt the kind of guy that really cares what he gets re-sale because in the end he'll never spend all he has. But anyways, thanks for the compliment. Take it easy.
  • Any comments as to whether it's worth getting the V12 since the S 500 is pretty quick to begin with. A fully optioned S 500 is otherwise like the S 600 except the motor.
    Anyone had reliability or finicky problems with the S 600?
    thanks!
  • My friend would like to buy S500 or S350 with AMG......?
  • dl8dl8 Posts: 25
    do not get a S600
    you will be crying...............
  • I bought a 99 S420 with 136,000 miles without having it checked out by a shop. The car runs great but I am having problems with the trunk and front doors closing the way they were designed to close. What is this problem?
  • that all depends on what you mean. how are they closing?
  • the doors close well but they do not close automatically
  • I am considering today buying a S430 vs. 2006ML 350(actually I am test driving the S430 for 1 day)and want to know from current or past owners of this vehicle what they're thoughts are. I'm in real estate and to drive folks around luxury,comfort and spaciousness is very important. I currently own the BMW X5is (for 2months and hate the ride). Is it expensive to maintain and to you recommend to purchase a warranty? The cost is $47k with 39000 miles
  • get an S 500 instead!
    Your clients will appreciate the leg room in the back and the car is smooth and great to drive. With an ML, they have to climb up and in and it will drive stiff like an SUV.
    If you want the 4 wheel drive, then a 4matic is the best choice. The S 430 is bare bones and a short wheelbase. The options in an s 500 makes for an even better car.
  • Carsnop, your info is not entirely correct. The wheelbase on the 2004 S Class is the same for all models including S430, 500, 600, S55, and the beautiful S65. The 430 is a awesome ride, and unless you are a speed freak you really won't miss the power of a S500. I say go with the S430, and you will not be disappointed...I'm not!! LOL.....

    P.S.

    This site rocks!!
  • I'm sorry I meant to type "snob". Sorry for spelling your name wrong...no disrespect.
  • Is there a difference between an s430 and an s430v?
  • I can tell you that my 2000 S430 was a nightmare electrically. Too many problems to mention I had bought it preowned with the starmark warranty, which im glad they dont have it anymore because it sucked. Other than that the car drove great... Smooth.. Fast enough (275hp)... Roomy very roomy in the back. I heard the problems were from 200-2003. Anything past that shouldn't be bad. I just got rid of mine a month ago and purchased a 2007 S550. I love that car I just feel like a million bucks in it. One of the best cars I bought so far. Let's hope that there are no major problems or recalls to come.
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    I live in the Chicago area... and have been checking out cars to replace my wife's RX330 on-and-off for the past year and a half (yes, I'm anxious to get rid of it). The W221 S-Class has always stood as the underlying, oh-so-tempting choice that we both love but can't have. This is for a few reasons:

    • It's huge. Why does Merc only offer the LWB here? It just barely fits in our garage.

    • The gas mileage is terrible. Do they think Americans need the 380hp 5.5 V8 as standard? I'm a speed freak, but my wife certainly isn't, and an S450 or S320 CDI would be ideal. She just might not have the conscience to deal with such bad mileage.

    We'll be driving the S550 4Matic again soon... but my real question is, is there any way for me to get a Canadian or Euro-spec S-Class here? Because the SWB-only S450 4Matic in Canada may just be the perfect car for her. Or, if we do European delivery (we're probably going to Europe in the spring- good timing), could we get an S320 CDI 4Matic over here? Does anybody know?

    Thanks in advance.

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • • The gas mileage is terrible. Do they think Americans need the 380hp 5.5 V8 as standard? I'm a speed freak, but my wife certainly isn't, and an S450 or S320 CDI would be ideal. She just might not have the conscience to deal with such bad mileage.

    Yes.. I DO need a 382hp 5.5 V8. When you've had a 275hp in the past, it's night and day. Of course they suck gas but then again dont ALL v8s? Again, wonderful car.
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    That's not the point--she doesn't need a V8. Or, at least not a 5.5L. I'm still wondering if I can get an S450 or S320 CDI for her, though we might just end up with an X5 or an E-Class.

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    "We'll be driving the S550 4Matic again soon... but my real question is, is there any way for me to get a Canadian or Euro-spec S-Class here?"

    No. There is no cost-effective way to do it.
  • I just purchased a 2005 S500. The one option the car doesn't have that I wanted is the cellphone. Does anyone know if I can get bluetooth intergrated phone add into the car? If so any idea of the price?
  • "Yes.. I DO need a 382hp 5.5 V8. When you've had a 275hp in the past, it's night and day. Of course they suck gas but then again dont ALL v8s? Again, wonderful car."

    The clincher though shouldn't be that it's a 382hp V8, but that Lexus pulled the same performance with a smaller 4.6 with higher fuel economy.
  • DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW HOW MANY MILES THE MERCEDES BENZ S-CLASS ENGINE, IS BUILT FOR?
  • larianlarian Posts: 3
    My personal gift for 2008 is going to be the MB S-500. According to the corporate web site, I have three options of black: Black, Obsidian Black Metallic and Majestic Black Metallic? What's the difference? Is there an advantage for me by selecting a metallic paint?
    I live in Central Florida and need your input before going to a dealer.

    Thanks!!
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,600
    Is there an advantage for me by selecting a metallic paint?


    The metallic black has sparkles in it which gives it more depth and richness, IMHO. It's all a matter of personal preference. You should see each to make the decision. I believe they charge extra for metallic paint (even on an S Class?).

    BTW, I think you mean the S550.
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