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  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    but that takes away all of my fun! Besides, they pick on me right back!!! LOL!

    Trouble Maker
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    We have an 01 LX with 30k miles. It has been very reliable. A nice van. When researching vans keep this in mind,the resale value on the MPV is not nearly as good as the ODY or even the Sienna. Factor this into your total cost to own equation. The other thing is the transmission. The 2001 was not the best,kind of rough,always hunting for the right gear. The MPV is dependable right up there with the Sienna and ahead of the ODY. It handles better than most and has the roll down rear windows and looks great. Just don't forget to look at everything when choosing a van. (and what is with the lack of a power lock switch on the passenger door?)
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    Yes, but don't you think that part of the resale issue on the '00, '01 models is due to the bad rap the 2.5 engine received? When we figured cost to own into our equation, it was hard to figure in the resale due to the different engine and tranny in our '03 LX. Also, it wasn't too much of an issue since my husband said I have to drive our MPV until my youngest, age 7, starts college! I had to sign in blood on the dotted line that I wouldn't buy another car for 10 yrs. ;o )

    Since I always use the remote to lock and unlock my MPV, I never noticed that the switch wasn't on the passenger side door. To some that's an issue, but I guess it wasn't a big deal to me.

    Lsinc
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    MPV makes a lot of sense it you own to its death.

    it does not if you plan to trade-in or sell sooner to buy something else.

    Even 3.0 loses a lot of value even after considering the below- MSRP price that we pay.

    My 2002 ES - I paid 23.5 vs MSRP of 27, i bet i can't sell it for more than 20 or 21.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    OMG... resale value. What other Japanese marque has resale values remotely close to Honda or Toyota (Acura and Lexus don't count...)? I don't think it's the MPV persay, than the marque.

    Resale value is useless, unless you live in a bubble. If you really care about the numbers, you need to look at real world TCO (not based on MRSP, but on actual sale price). So...

    After (almost) four years of ownership of my 2000MPV, I owe about $9k on it (fom a sale price of $23k), have paid $16,146, and the van's trade-in value is about $12k (per Edmunds), conservatively. So, in my twisted way of thinking, TCO has been $9,146. The 'other' van would've sold for $28k, I'd owe $11k after 46 payments totalling $20,378, and have a trade-in value of $15k (per Edmunds). This would've cost me $16,378. I'm assuming insurance and fuel costs to be similar... and negating the documented fact that the MPV is more reliable than the 'other' van. ;)

    Useless resale value aside, am I just crazy thinking my MPV cost my $5,200 fewer of my hard-earned clams? Where is the cost advantage, again?

    Maybe my math is incorrect?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    The MPV comes with two remotes so I don't really care.

    May I ask why it becomes an issue for you?
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    so, what is your point ?
    MPV makes sense or not ?
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    My point is: The MPV makes sense for me, from a cost, versatility, reliability and styling standpoint. However, it may make less sense for others, depending on their point of view, which is totally fine.

    My point is: what actually matters, if you truly care about residual value, is how much the car actually cost you over N-yrs. So what if a Honda retains 65% of it's MSRP while an MPV retains 45% of MSRP after N-yrs.

    My point is: If you are only planning on having a vehicle (any vehicle) for two years, you should lease it. Less hassle, no worrying about <sarcasm warning> "Oh my! Why did I buy this car? It has such poor resale value! What was I thinking? What will I ever do? Why doesn't it have a blown 4.6L V8 (whoops, that's an Evil-Ford motor!!!) under the hood and hot cocoa dispensers when everyone else does?" </sarcasm>

    My point is: look at selling prices and not MSRP, what you pay over the timespan of ownership and how much cash that you have in-hand after selling the vehicle. An Ody, for instance, will cost you ultimately more over 4yrs, even w/a higher resale value (in my way of thinking, anyway)... so, in my book, the resale value doesn't matter so very much... it's how many of my dollars went to the winds during ownership. If the difference in value makes a material difference to you, then us that in your decision, but don't just use wrought "Resale Value" steer the decision's course, like in a herd.

    My point is: You want a good resale value? Go buy a Lexus. If you want to own something which you like, then buy something which you like, and quit lamenting your decision. Live, enjoy things. :-)

    If you want to see dismal resale value, buy a Dodge or Chevy, or Kia minivan. I'm fairly certain that people who buy those are more concerned with using and enjoying their purchase than worrying about how much they'll get for resale value in a few years.

    Don't you guys just love it when I come in here and stir the pot? image
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    wanna buy a watch?
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    Good Point! All of them! ;)

    Lsinc
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Can someone clue me in on the latest and greatest incentives for the MPV? I was fairly certain there was a $2000 rebate through May... but maybe it's Factory-to-Dealer and that's why I'm not seeing it. The only thing I'm seeing right now is 0% for 36mths. Is there anything else out there?
  • beachnutbeachnut Posts: 291
    Nice diatribe there Java ... I like it!

    Yes, inquiring minds what to know about the $2K incentive especially down here in southern FL. Without it, well, I'm all washed up because of RESALE VALUE! lol .... :-)
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Don't think you can leave this forum for another one and just come right back in and get some love. hehehe
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,826
    Didn't we have a running bet about whether the May incentives would match the April ones?

    Anyone know the scoop? If I weren't fried, I'd check the incentives link :-)

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  • beachnutbeachnut Posts: 291
    ... at least that's what another website that shall remain nameless is advertising (thanks to subearu for the tip!).

    Malt - I don't want love, just money :D
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    According to Steve's Link above there are no rebates for May just low apr for loans. At least in my region..
    I paid for my MPV in April and got the 2K rebate. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! The car is due this week..
      
    Thank Goodness for Edmunds!!!!!!!
    Overall Edmunds has saved me about 7000 Bucks...

    TJ
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    Even AutoSite and a couple of others mention the rebate expired 4/30. But, http://www.carsdirect.com shows a rebate, even for Beach's neck of the woods.

    Dealer cash, perhaps now, instead of 'consumer' cash?

    -Brian
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,826
    Are hard to keep track of around here for some reason.

    Tomj5, I gotta figure out a way to get a cut of that action :-)

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  • chisfu1chisfu1 Posts: 25
    I don't think resale value is a very important issue while we are picking the car you like!

    First, the actual $$$ you buy the car right now is much much more important than the percentage of depreciation you're going to deal with in the future. For example, if you pay $70,000 for a Lexus, after 4 years, you may get $35,000 back, how much you're going to lose... $35,000, right? For a Mazda MPV, you may pay $27,000 for the top of line ES with every toys on it, after 4 years, you may get back $12,000, how much you're going to lose... $15,000, right? The percentage shows Lexus has a higher resale value of 50% and the Mazda has a lower resale value of 44%, but it doesn't mean you are better off for losing $35000 than losing $15000. These example may be too extreme but it happens to me personally in reality! My advice is look at the actual dollars rather than the percentage which means nothing in real life!

    Second, most buyers of the MPV is getting around $4000-4500 off of the MSRP right now, and you can get around $1000-$1500 discount on the Honda Odys, or around $500-$1000 discount on the Toyota Siennas. Remember, those are the actual dollars you are going to save right now, not the future value a few years later when you sell the van, the initial saving may lead you to get more money by investing on something else. And remember, you always have to earn more than one dollar in order to spend a dollar (tax issue)!

    Finally, just pick the car you like the most within your budget! I think MPV is a very good choice since it is the most reliable van in the United States, Toyota Sienna was the best but history tell us first year model usually have recalls and bugs in it, Odys is ranked the fourth behind Toyota, Mazda and Mercury in terms of reliability issue! And MPV is the only van made in Japan, where the workers are more serious about quality control issue than the people in the North America. So I believe MPV is the most reliable van in the market place right now! The major drawbacks on the MPV are:

    1. The space may not be big enough for some people!

    2. The transmission is a little bit jerky when going uphill during slow speeds, I can feel it's almost running of stream.

    3. Some control buttons are not perfect, like the gear shifter is blocking the air controls.

    4. Some features are not available like homelink, heated leather seats, power liftgate, cassette player, all wheel drive, day time running light and auto-off headlight, even on the top of the line ES I got, it doesn't have those features!

    As there is no perfect car in the world just like no perfect human beings!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,826
    I try to "drive 'em forever" so resale isn't a big issue for me. However, if I got hit and my van was totalled, I'm not going to be too happy with what the adjuster is going to offer in payment of "fair market value."

    Stay safe out there!

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  • jwtotojwtoto Posts: 11
    I am new to this board so please excuse my lack of knowledge about protocol.
       Is there anyone here who has experimented with the traction control system in terms of gas mileage, road handling, emergency stopping, or rear end sliding? I am wondering if there is a need to ever use the traction control off switch or should I just leave it on all the time. Does anyone know if using it can prematurely wear out any components?
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    Yes it is a very minor issue. My point is this. If I am driving with the wife and kids and I leave the car to run in the store,then my wife wants to lock all the locks and she cannot,unless she gets her keys from her purse and uses the remote. Also, unless I choose to carry an extra remote for her van (which I do now), if I go through the passenger door to get something or check to see if the van is locked while on the passenger side the only way to lock all the doors is to walk over to the drivers door and use the lock switch. Again a minor issue,but why is it that every other vehicle on the planet over $20k has one but not the MPV? What has my life come to?
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    It only is used when it's needed. So, leaving it 'ON' all the time should be fine. But, having it 'OFF' won't break the system either. You won't notice it in dry conditions, but perhaps try it out on a wet road and feel what the TCS does ON or OFF. That way you're use to it.

    The TCS only limits the amount of power the front wheels get while accelerating. During braking, ABS is what will control the wheels from locking up.

    -Brian
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    I have Traction Control on my '03. I never shut it off. It only comes on when needed. I will tell you that when I first purchased my MPV 2 months ago, we went up to my sisters in MA. We had just had a snow storm a few days earlier. My brother in law was test driving my MPV with my husband in the car. They started to slide off the road. My brother in law was very impressed with how the traction control kicked in and he was able to pull the van back to the road. I on the other hand, was happy I wasn't in the car when this happened! :)

    I can also tell you that my sisters driveway is AWFUL! It's basically uphill and non paved. During that same storm, I was able to get up into the driveway without too much difficulty. The thing to remember with TC is that you have to let it do it's job. I kept taking my foot off the excellerator and putting on the break. Once I got the hang of it, I really like having it.

    I haven't played with shutting it off to see if my gas mileage would improve. What has helped is mid grade gas. I have been averaging 21 to 22 MPG around town and just under 26 MPG on a trip. When we first got our MPV, it had 10 miles on it. Our first trip came up to 18 MPG. My husband wasn't concerned as he felt the engine was still breaking in. He was right, the MPG has been climbing.

    Good Luck! :)

    Lsinc
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    1. The space may not be big enough for some people!

    My 6'2" friend rode in the third seat with my daughter and his son. He said he had plenty of head room (one of his biggest complaints) and ample leg room.

    2. The transmission is a little bit jerky when going uphill during slow speeds, I can feel it's almost running of stream.

    That's interesting, I have never noticed my tranny being jerky going uphill at slow speeds. As a matter of fact, I've never noticed it to be jerky in any situation. It's very smooth.

    3. Some control buttons are not perfect, like the gear shifter is blocking the air controls.

    You mean the 10 ft. long gear shifter? Yeah, it's a bit of a nuisance and I'm trying to figure out why they made it so long?

    4. Some features are not available like homelink, heated leather seats, power liftgate, cassette player, all wheel drive, day time running light and auto-off headlight, even on the top of the line ES I got, it doesn't have those features!

    Let's see, homelink I probably wouldn't go for. Even if the vehicle has it, don't you have to pay monthly for the service? I don't know much aboutit.

    Heated leather seats scare me. I've heard of a few fires. That's just me of course and it would be a nice option for those who want it.

    Cassette player is an available option. I have the 6 CD changer so I don't miss the cassette player. Again, that's just me.

    AWD I have heard is available in Japan and just hasn't hit the US yet. Someone on one of the Mazda boards stated this info. Of course, being in Japan doesn't do us any good but just thought I'd throw that in. ;)

    Power liftgate would be nice. On the same token, it's not that big of a deal. I love the auto power doors though.

    I had the daytime running lights on my Olds. Cutlass and got a break on my insurance. I will say though that at Christmas time when we wanted to drive through the living nativity, we had to take my husbands car because we couldn't shut off the headlights without shutting off the car. It is a nice option and frankly I think it's safer. You are more visible. Especially cars that are light in color and would be harder to see. i.e. I have the Silver Sand Metallic and it's harder to see during the day.

    Just my 2 Cents. But your right, Nothing is perfect.

    Lsinc
  • acedriveracedriver Posts: 131
    Somehow, I prefer the shifter being on/below the dash (aka 2004 Sienna, 2004 Quest, Sedona). I am going to miss these days : driving with one hand on the steering wheel and one on the floor mounted stick-shifter :-)
  • jwtotojwtoto Posts: 11
    Thanks Isinc and Subearu for your replies. You've confirmed my hunches. Still one more question remains: why is the TCS able to be shut off? Under what circumstances would one want to disable it?
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    From the '02 MPV owner's manual:

    Page 5-18:
    When TCS is on and you attempt to free the vehicle when it is stuck, or drive it out of freshly fallen snow, the TCS will activate. Depressing the accelerator will not increase engine power and freeing the vehicle may be difficult. When this happen, turn off the TCS.

    Page 5-16:
    The Traction Control System (TCS) enhances traction and safety by regulating engine torque. When the TCS detects driving wheel slippage, it lowers engine torque to prevent loss of traction.

    -Brian
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    Would you like a little cheese to go with that whine? ;) Actually, the gear shifter is so long on the MPV you can rest your right arm over it and keep your left hand on the wheel. =o )

    My husband went unwillingly from a 5 speed subaru to an automatic subaru (long story). He misses shifting those gears so much that he actually shifts his automatic from 2nd to drive and back again! What is it with guys and shifters?? Ok, maybe don't answer that! I don't really need to know.

    Lsinc slinks away in total embarassment!
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