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  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    I wouldn't worry about the "transmission glitch" . I believe any MPV with a born on date after Feb of 2004 was manufactured without this prob. Reliability wise the MPV ranks as reliable or more so than the Toyota or Honda. The MPV is made in Japan...superior workmanship.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    The Odyssey is a bigger "minivan" than the MPV.The general view of most reviewers seems to be that bigger is better. I suppose it just matters what is most important to you. I didn't think it(the Odyssey) handled as well as the MPV...though it does handle very well.The MPV does have a 5 star saftey rating for side impacts . ..which I did factor in as I to was hoping for side curtain airbags. Good luck Joy. I think you can't go wrong with whichever you choose.
  • jaserbjaserb Posts: 858
    I haven't driven the Odyssey. It is, however the official vehicle of my little corner of suburbia. EVERYONE has one. Even the '04s were tons (3-4 grand, at least) more money comparably equipped to our MPV and I imagine the '05s will up the ante considerably.

    My wife likes the MPV so much she hasn't even complained about the lack of heated seats - yet. Reviewers tend to worship at the altar of Honda and Toyota. What they like isn't nearly as important as what you like. I guess my point is that if you like the MPV, with the deals out there on leftover '04s why not pull the trigger? You can probably get a nicely equipped LX for well under $20k. Can't beat that.

    Oh, and if you decide on the Passat wagon give my regards to Dieter in service ;-)

    -Jason
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  • typesixtypesix Posts: 314
    The MPV may be made in Japan, but it uses the same Ford engine found in the Taurus/Sable and optionally in the Escape.
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    It is the Duratec 3.0 V6 (24 valve), but it reportedly has Mazda electronics and/or tuning, as well as a JATCO 5sp AT.

    -Brian
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Hey Steve, thought I'd pop in and see if you saw the headline for 'the magic number' that they announced last night. :-(

    Okay, skee-dattlin'

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,417
    Hey Java, I've been wondering how you've been getting along. Didn't even top $1,000 this year eh?

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  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Nope, too bad, so sad. I usually use the dividends for the annual vacation to Cali, but they're pretty small this time around, and the family grew, house grew, payments grew... same old story.

    I've been busy this summer! Check out my site to see what I've been up to. ;) But, I've been around, I'm not allowed to mention where, lest I receive more wallpaper for the soho. Hahahahaha

    SWMBO is looking forward to the winter, in her awd Sienna though.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,417
    Congrats on the kiddo (it's been a while!). I have the same granite in my kitchen, but it's formica :-).

    There is a Mazda chat tonight if you feel so inclined, even if you did trade the MPV ....

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  • gharalgharal Posts: 1
    I agree with you. I am deciding between alpine vs. pioneer for my 2002 mpv. The rear speakers are way in the back. Which head unit would best compensate for this? Also, do you have any experience with replacing te rear speakers on the mpv? Supposedly, the opening has a very shallow clearance such that some modification is needed. Would appreciate your thoughts.

    gh
  • Hi. My 10 year old Saturn Sedan died this week and we are looking at replacing it with a mini-van. We are looking at the 2004 Odyssey LX and the 2004 MPV LX.

    So far, the prices we've received are $23,900 "out the door" for the Oddy. And $20,500 "out the door" for a dealer demo model of the MPV with 6000 miles on it.

    I liked the MPV better - the size, the way it drives, the look of it. But we've owned Hondas before and had a great experience. It just seems like the safer bet.

    Also, the Mazda salesman was really leading us to the 2 Dealer Demos, but those make me nervous. One had 3K and one had 6K. Did anyone buy one of those? Or am I better off with a brand new one?

    Thanks!
    -K
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,417
    I'd want a substantial discount off a demo with that many miles on it.

    Check out the Mazda MPV vs. Honda Odyssey discussion too.

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  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    My deepest reguards on the death of your Saturn, Kristennel.If you like the MPV better I would advise you buy it. I agree with Steve in that you should be able to get it for less. My MPV LX had a sticker of $26,000 and I paid $22,000 out the door in July. I'd go with the one with 3k(6,000 is a heckuva lotta miles even for a demo). Have them lower the price another grand or two(depending on the options it has) and throw in the extended warranty 7yr/100,000 mile warranty for free, which should make you a little less nervous.If you are still "nervous" about the situation...then go ahead and buy new.Both have excellent reliability ratings. Good luck.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    I got my van back from the dealer after they made the recall changes for the PVC valve and heater fan. When we got the van back, the heater would only blow cold air. I took the van back to the dealer and told them about the problem. The service manager said there's a valve mounted on the firewall that has 2 positions. It changes the coolant flow to either allow it to flow through the heater core, or bypass it. Bypassing it supposedly allows the air conditioning to work more effeciently. He said the valve was set to "bypass". He set the valve to allow for heat and the heater worked just fine. I didn't know anything about this valve, did any of you?
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  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    I had no idea, and the owner's manual also doesn't mention it.

    But, when we had our 6cd changer out on warranty, somehow the dealer managed to get things so that we had HOT air coming out of the vents for 3 to 4 minutes after start up. I will look for the valve, that sounds like a good summer time fix for this problem.

    John
  • It's my first posting here, strictly to share my experience and opinion for the benefits of others.

    I bought a new 2002 Mazda MPV LX with 4 season package in June 2002
    3.0L V6 DOHC 24V FI Engine, 200 hp, 200 ft-lbs (Ford's Duratec with Mazda cylinder heads),
    Automatic 5-Speed Transmission
    15 Inch Wheels

    - "check engine" light on at 35,000 miles: PCV crack, replaced under warranty (Mazda later issued a recall on this item for other MPV)
    - "check engine" light on again at 36,000 miles: dealer replace "coil" on cylinder # 3, a warranty service, no charge
    -"check engine" light again the same day after coil replacement. Dealer called Mazda engineers, not sure why same coil failed again. Replaced all 6 coils and test

    drive. Same coil # 3 burned again. After 1 week in shop for testing, technician or engineers said valve on cylinder #3 needed rebuild. One week later meaning today

    the vehicle is still in shop. Service manager says he has not seen such early failure like this. I have not found similar problem via Google search.

    Questions on my mind: should I keep this vehicle after it's fixed?
    Pro: this vehicle has served me well, it's the least expensive option in the immediate term, great shape
    Con: performance of the newly rebuilt engine, which part will fail next, declining value after warranty period (50,000 miles)

    Any wisdom?
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Unless you continue to have major problems with the engine...I would go ahead and keep it for another 8 months.You're going to use up your 50,000 in miles warranty before you use up your 5 years in warranty. So, I would hold onto it until it got to around 44 or 45 thousand miles. Then reevalute if you want to keep it or not. The 5,000 mile warranty remaining on it would make it attractive to potential buyers.It would also look better to be able to tell potential buyers that you've had the coils replaced and a cylinder rebuilt 8 months ago and haven't had a problem since.Good luck.
  • jipster: thanks for your very sensible advice. I'll take it.

    Update: my 02 MPV LX enters the third week in dealer's garage for engine valve rebuild because "head gasket is not available". I'll take it as good news, meaning head gasket is so rarely needed that it has to be on special order from ?Japan?
  • I am happy to report that my hard shift problem was resolved last June. I now want to get my warranty extended to 7yr, 70,000miles and at NO cost to me. I believe that is fair as I dealt with the problem for months and I question the long term affect. I read on this websight as to someone who successfully got the extension free in the Twin Cities, Mn. area. Any suggestions as to how to go about?
    Thanks, Mary
  • asafonovasafonov Posts: 373
    I am a little confused. According to the Edmunds 2005 MPV review, these come standard with rear A/C since 2004 (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/mazda/mpv/100466954/review.html?- tid=edmunds.n.standard.leftsidenav..15.Mazda*)

    On the other hand, when I look at optional equipment for the 2005, the 1LX/LX Plus package includes, among other things, rear air. This is not the case for the 2004, where the LX package also costs about 50% less than on the 2005 (about 1k vs. 1.5k.)

    I really disliked that on the 2004, you need the 1LX to get side airbags. This does not seem to be the case for the 2005, but does one need 1LX for rear air?

    Please de-confuse. Thanks!
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    If the hard shift porblem is resolved, why do you need a 7 yr/ 70k mile warranty? The person who received that warrranty, I believe got it before Mazda had a fix for the transmission. I think you would be hard pressed to get anyone from Mazda to respond positively to this request.
  • Thanks for the response. I cannot remember for sure, but I thought the person got their extension post fix. Either way, after multiple discussions with mechanics at various shops, they unanimously stated there probably was long term damage. My tranny shifted hard off and on for 6 months, with 3 attempts at repair. I think an extension is reasonable if they believe the tranny is solid. I am looking ahead. Thanks
  • In last week's Seattle Times the MPV was listed as "no longer recommended" by Consumer Reports. Just bought an MPV in mid-Sept, am enjoying it very much. So: why the ratings drop, and is there anything we can watch for or do by way of preventative maintenance to keep our MPV's running long and healthy? Are there any related recalls that I haven't got yet? Enquiring minds want to know.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Don't worry mtbiker...your MPV is fine.It is no longer recommended due to a glitch in the transmission programming that resulted in a small percentage of 2003 and early 2004 having to be reprogrammed.(problem being a hard shift between 2nd and 3rd gears)Your MPV probably isn't affected...or was already"reflashed" at the dealer if it had an early 2004 manufacture date.
        Many other people, including myself, are wondering why the drop to"no longer recommended"due to this small problem.The way Consumer Reports scores puts a lot of weight on the engine and transmission.So, even a small problem in one of these two areas can cause a vehicle to be dropped to not be recommended.Overall, reliability has always been excellent on the MPV.No recalls that I know of.
  • elieelie Posts: 15
    If you look at the Consumer Reports ratings for the Mazda6, they also dropped it to "Not reccommended" status, and yet look at the reliablity records! The '04 record looks impeccable to me, and the '03 has an 'average' rating for 'fuel' but otherwise great. The '02 MPV also has an 'average'rating for 'fuel' but it did not get the dreaded black "X". (True, the '02 MPV is a year older, but if you compare it to the 'fuel' ratings of the "Average Car," (which CU compares to in order to come up with its year-by-year assessment), there should be no difference between the expected average reliability between an '02 and '03 model. One of the biggest problems with CU auto ratings has always been how little they explain their ratings procedures. I've written to them several times to ask them to clarify contradictions within their auto reviews, and their explanations never resolve the contradictions. I think they should get a massive letter writing campaign letting them know that if they want to preserve public trust in their ratings, they should explain themselves with their Mazda downgrades--- (Their email comments page is hard to find, but this should link to it:

    http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detailv2.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt- _id=719&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=703&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=- 456975&bmUID=1101678971811

    Send them an email, and demand explanations. Let the public decide if THEIR "LOGIC" is "reliable"!!
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    I agree with that elie...I would like to see several pages of explanation on how CR tests and on how they arrive at some questionable findings in their survey.Instead we get a paragraph or two on how they conducted their test.With such a large number of people going to CR for reviews and reliability reports...I think they owe it to the consumer to give all the information they can.
    How the MPV can go from THE most reliable minivan to one rated with "average" overall reliability demands more print than what it received.And how they can forecast the 2005 models predicted reliability to be "worse" is one of the greatest mysterys this planet has faced since disco music.
  • mpv05mpv05 Posts: 1
    Hello all,

    New member and first post!!

    I have been reading the messages on this forum for the past couple of weeks and got a lot of valuable information. Thanks to all of you. Just wanted to share my experience.

    Have been looking for a good family vehicle. Minivan has been one of the considerations but held back because they looked too big. Finally came across an ad for the 05 MPV for $17,777 in the Oregonian newspaper [Portland, Oregon] and could not resist [one of those "one at this price and the rest at the regular price" deals]. Did all the research [Consumer Reports and this forum] I could and finally bought it on 11/20. It is a no frills package but I thought for that price, I got a good deal. Bought from Premier Mazda in Milwauke, OR. Great people.

    My wife [primary driver] likes it a lot except for the night time driving. The headlight range seems to be shorter than our old Camry and the light appears to be abruptly cut off! Talked to the service people and looking for some alternative headlights [like the high intensity type]. Appreciate any inputs.

    Thanks.
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