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Mazda MPV

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  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Good analogy. The Mazda MPV is reliable just like a Maytag appliance. With very few repairs needed, MPV owners do not search the internet to learn how to get rid of a buzzing noise, humming noise, sliding door rattles, sticky sliding power doors, transmission clunk, etc.
    Will be interesting to see the next generation MPV.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Hans, keep your Honda bashing on the "Honda versus" boards...Bring something new to the table with a post for a change.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    That was a thoughtful gesture graduate and hans...and you guys even brought a little of the "home cooking" from the Ody vs DCX board that I like to visit. A big Mazda MPV "ZOOM ZOOM" to the both of you. :shades:
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    My wife and I are currently trying to unload our '05 Escape for a larger SUV or a minivan and our choices have been widdled down to an '06 Explorer or an '06 MPV. Two kids in car seats and all the gear that comes with them will do that to you. :)

    I know how the Explorer's LATCH connections work but I can't seem to find the tether hooks for the second row LATCH systems. Anyone know where they are and if they get in the way of third row passengers? Will they block the view of the DVD screen for the third row passengers?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    Never mind, I found them. They're on the back of the seat bottoms. Edmunds actually has a good picture of them.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    baggs, you can get a much bigger discount with a new 2005 MPV over the 2006 model. Just a thought.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    We're leasing so a 2005 is out of the question. The residual value of the '06 is pretty low so I can't imagine what it is on the '05. Plus no '05s within 50 miles are equipped the way we want it and there aren't more than five to choose from anyway. Thank God for the S-Plan!
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    Baggs, your in the same boat as me with the escape (but mine is an '01) but the really nice thing with the LATCH is there is set in the center of the THIRD row for when a child would be to big for the conventional seat but would still need a booster. The other thing that caught my wife's eye if the way you can flip the 3rd row backwards and use it as a tailgating bench (Lions (me) and Packers (wife) fans).

    Odie
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    Well it's good to hear I'm not alone Odie! I'll miss the CR-V vs Escape thread and Scape2 though. :sick:

    So there's a LATCH hookup in the third row too? I couldn't find any mention of that in the specs anywhere. We're going to test drive the MPV and Explorer we have our eyes on tomorrow evening and hopefully make a final decision. So far the Explorer is $20 less per month but will cost about $25 more per month for gas so that's a wash. If the Mazda dealer comes down another $20 per month then I don't see how we have a choice anymore unless the Explorer turns out to be one heck of a ride.

    To top it all off a Nissan dealer is trying to work out a deal on an '06 Pathfinder but I don't know if I can handle having to choose between three!
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    well we are cross shopping the following
    1. '06 Mazda MPV
    2. '06 Pontiac SV6
    3. '06 Ford Freestyle
    4. '06 Nissan Quest
    5. (this one my wife likes) '06 Mazda 5

    As for the 3rd row LATCH, I didn't see anywhere on any vehicle's specs about 3rd row LATCH, that's why I decides to look for myself while I was at the Philly Car Show.

    Odie
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    I got the word today that it is official..the US version of the MPV will be gone after the 2006 model year. It will be replaced by a cross over vehicle with 3 rows of seats.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "the MPV will be gone after the 2006 model year"

    hmmm...that bites.

    I wouldn't be surprised though to see it's return at some point in the future. The 2007 MPV will be available in other parts of the world...so it still remains a possiblity. It's not like the model was discountinued altogether. I think the 2007, properly marketed, would really scare the "big boys". I don't know if the 2007 has all the features(full side curtain airbags, vehilce stability control, navigation, rear cameras....and all the other saftey features and modern gadgets) most other current minivans have available. Perhaps when the MPV has all the "goodies"... they'll give it another go.

    Personally, I don't care much for the crossovers.
  • is it the CX-7 that will replace it?

    John
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    CX-9......the CX-7 is 5 pass. The 9 will add some length and third row seating.
  • that sounds interesting... the CX-7 is splashed all over the media right now, anything on the CX-9 yet?

    I would think Mazda would use a different power plant in the 9 than the 7, something that has higher low end torque for more vehicle weight/towing.

    John
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    I think Edmunds has something about the CX-9. IIRC they claimed it will get the Duratec35 with 250 horses.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    well we are cross shopping the following
    1. '06 Mazda MPV
    2. '06 Pontiac SV6
    3. '06 Ford Freestyle
    4. '06 Nissan Quest
    5. (this one my wife likes) '06 Mazda 5


    1. Drove it last night. It's nice but noisy and pretty un-refined. All of the criticisms for the "clunky" transmission are true. It hunted for gears on hills and shifted waaaaay too early a lot of times. Quite annoying. Otherwise it was just so-so but I guess that's expected from an old design.
    2. Couldn't pay me to drive one of those.
    3. I like, wife doesn't.
    4. Checked it out and was on our list. She hated the round Star Trek center stack thing and I hated the center mounted gagues. Otherwise it was a very nice van.
    5. I like, wife didn't.

    In the end we're going with a 2006 Explorer. Yeah it's gas mileage is worse than the MPV and the total cargo space is a bit off too, but it was way more refined and actually handled better in the back roads. Plus it's safety features are light years ahead of the MPV's.

    Good luck with your shopping!
  • I found it...$38,000 and up isn't impressive. It also looks like it will have heavy competition, probably the Subaru Tribeca and everyone else's 7 passenger SUVs will be there.

    It doesn't strike me as a minivan though.

    John
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    It doesn't strike me as a minivan though.

    That's because it's not. It's a crossover and more like an SUV than a van but more carlike than a traditional SUV. Make sense?

    I wouldn't call the Tribeca heavy competition. ;)
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "In the end we're going with the 2006 Exlplorer"

    You do realize that Ford produces those "noisy" and "unrefined" engines that are in BOTH the Mazda MPV and Ford Exlporer? And that the "old" MPV design has been out 6 years and the Exlporer about 20?

    The power of suggestion is a powerful thing. The "clunky" transmission in my vehilce shifts smooth as butter.
    But, goodluck with your Exlporer. And in the future...if you care to flame on the MPV...take it to the "Shopping Minivans" board.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    a little vehicle sensative huh? :P
  • I wouldn't call the Tribeca heavy competition.

    Ok, I'll bite this bait. Recognizing that neither of us has ever seen the CX-9, we have to take a look at what is out there:

    You have the Pacifica.
    You have the R class.
    You even have Suzuki on the low end.
    Then there are the 7 seater Toyotas and a host of others. I want to say even the Ford Freestyle comes in.

    So is $38k going to work with this crowd? Not really.

    Now the Tribeca can be had as a 7 seater in the low $30's, with AWD and a lot of amenities for the money.

    Some shoppers will also be looking at AWD mini-vans before the CX at the $38k range.

    For me, it is the 5, diesel version, that I am holding out for. Yes, different car, but I will go smaller from my MPV before I go bigger.

    John
  • Checked it out and was on our list. She hated the round Star Trek center stack thing and I hated the center mounted gagues. Otherwise it was a very nice van.
    5. I like, wife didn't.


    Redesigned for 07. Center mounted instruments are fine in a Mini or Scion but older, more conservative minivan shoppers didn't like it. We have an 05 with about 25K on it and the 3.5l V6 is terrific; mpg is exceptional; and the four port sunroof is very cool.

    Do the new Explorers come with the fuzzy dice or do you still have to buy them?
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "a little vehilce sensative huh?"

    Gotta protect the home field advantage baby.

    Also, sensitive is spelled s-e-n-s-i....not s-a

    Grammar sensitive too! :P

    Actually, if someone wants to point out what they don't like in the MPV that's fine. But,the way baggs went about it wasn't proper. To go into another owners forum and use troll like buzz words i.e "clunky transmission" and "old design" etc...well, that's just rude.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    Actually, if someone wants to point out what they don't like in the MPV that's fine. But,the way baggs went about it wasn't proper. To go into another owners forum and use troll like buzz words i.e "clunky transmission" and "old design" etc...well, that's just rude.

    Sorry that you don't like my opinion of the MPV but that's the way it drove. In fact, my wife, who never notices things like that, complained about the transmission about 100 yards out from the dealer lot.

    I was also reiterating what several reviewers have said about the current MPV too. If your's shifts like butter then there must be something wrong with it.

    You guys can rip on the Explorer all you want but it is much more refined than the MPV. Fuzzy dice or not. ;)
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    You do realize that Ford produces those "noisy" and "unrefined" engines that are in BOTH the Mazda MPV and Ford Exlporer? And that the "old" MPV design has been out 6 years and the Exlporer about 20?

    I am well aware of the Duratec30 that's under the hood and that's not the noise I was complaining about. Wind noise is the culprit in the MPV. See, we're trading in our Escape, with the same exact Duratec30 BTW, for the Explorer and it's even noisier than the MPV. The Explorer wasn't noisy at all and in the end won our sale. Other factors played a role too.

    I'm not bashing the MPV. It is still a fairly nice van but it needs an update badly.

    FYI, the current Explorer is not a 20 year old design. You might want to research that before you type it again. Many substantial changes were made to the frame, suspension, interior, and engines for MY06 that it is officially a new model.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    Redesigned for 07. Center mounted instruments are fine in a Mini or Scion but older, more conservative minivan shoppers didn't like it. We have an 05 with about 25K on it and the 3.5l V6 is terrific; mpg is exceptional; and the four port sunroof is very cool.

    Do the new Explorers come with the fuzzy dice or do you still have to buy them?


    Redesigned for '07 doesn't help me right now. We liked everything else about the Quest and it was really the only full size minivan we considered, but that whole center layout was just awful. Glad to hear they woke up and fixed it.

    Do you really think Ford is going to spring for fuzzy dice right now? ;)
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "...that's not the noise I was complaining about."

    I've never seen wind noise described as "un-refined" before. You mentioned driving, then noise and then unrefined. So, it was logical to assume you were speaking of the engine as you spoke nothing of the wind.
    But,perhaps you had your windows down? Most publications rate the MPV as being moderate to quiet for wind noise. My MPV is fairly quiet, but I guess something must be wrong with it :confuse:

    "it needs an update badly"

    It was updated in 2000, 2002, 2004, and again in 2007(significant updating)... if you want to go overseas to buy one. How often do you need a vehilce to be updated? Not sure what you mean by "updated"...did you research the vehilce any?
    If you mean safety features(i.e curtain airbags and vehicle stability control) and high tech gizmos(navigation) then I would agree.

    If you are truely concerned with not "bashing" the MPV, then you may want to choose your words a little more carefully in the future. i.e statements of opinion and not fact are preferred by most members when discussing the pros and cons of a vehilce.i.e "I believe the MPV to be highly refined, quiet, smooth shifting AND updated."

    FWIW-the Duratec is a 3.0 liter engine...not 30. Though 30 would be nice.

    Goodluck with your Explorer though...fuzzy dice and all. ;)
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    FWIW-the Duratec is a 3.0 liter engine...not 30. Though 30 would be nice.

    Duratec30 is Ford's internal name for it. The new one is called the Duratec35, the 2.3L I4 in a lot of Mazdas and Fords is called the Duratec23. See the trend?

    But,perhaps you had your windows down? Most publications rate the MPV as being moderate to quiet for wind noise.

    Nope. They were all up and I made sure of it as it was like 30 degrees out.

    How often do you need a vehilce to be updated? Not sure what you mean by "updated"...

    It needs updated in many ways. A 60/40 third row config, the aforementioned safety features (however the MPV is fairly safe without them and I don't particularly care for stability control in carlike vehicles), re-located gear selector, fewer rattles (the LX we drove had a few already with only 24 miles on the odo), and yes, the motor. I've been driving Duratec30 equipped vehicles for 10 years now and it never has been a quiet or efficient motor unless you spring for the Lincoln or Jag versions. Durable and reliable? Yes. The version in my Mazda6 is fairly smooth though and would do well in the MPV.

    i.e statements of opinion and not fact are preferred by most members when discussing the pros and cons of a vehilce

    Huh? I'd prefer fact. Show me decibel numbers or 0-60 times between competing models not "Hey my car will blow your car's doors off".

    You always take someone's opinion with a grain of salt. If I had simply read your opinionated praise of the MPV, which I did BTW, and gone out and bought one without driving it I'd feel jipped (pun intended :P). Your kind words are part of the reason, albeit a small part, I went out to drive it. From that drive I formed my own opinion and posted it for a fellow shopper. Sorry if it offended you, but it is my opinion and it's not going to change no matter how hard you defend the MPV. You liked it enough to buy it, we didn't, and that in no way means it's a crappy vehicle. I'd still take it over 90% of the other vans out there, purely based on it's size, if all we were looking at were vans.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "Duratec30 is Fords internal name for it."

    Well, I'm not an engineer with Ford...so that's a new one on me. Out of the hundreds of time I've read something about that Ford engine, it's always written as the Duratec 3.0

    "Nope. They(windows) were all up"

    Is possible the luggage rack crossbars need adjusting.We have kids, so I wish it were quiet enough to hear whatever wind noise there is. :cry:

    on "updates"
    Agree with the split 3rd row seat. Would have come in handy on recent trip to Florida with mother in-law.

    Most everyone complains about the gear selector. Not very smart for Mazda to have designed it like that. Rattles?...the thing that impressed me the most about our MPV was the overall quality and fit and finish. No rattles whatsoever. Except for you I can't recall anyone complaining about rattles in their MPV...and I belong to another MPV web club site. Motor? Agree, not the most refined...but from what I have read one of Fords best.

    "I'd prefer fact"

    What I meant by my statement was that on subjective matters(i.e noise, comfort,smoothness of transmission,etc)it is better to offer your opinion on the matter...not state it as fact(unless it can be proven)

    I certainly did not mean that you are not entitled to your opinion. It(your opinion) just came off a little rough...mostly the last sentence. But hey, we're cool. It get's kind of slow on the MPV boards at times, so your input and contributions are welcome. Again, good luck with your Explorer. ;)

    Jip
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