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Mazda MPV



  • bean3422bean3422 Posts: 183
    I hope that someone from Mazda is reading this...they have my perfect minivan for sale and I can't buy it.

    I have owned Mazdas exclusively for the last 10 years, but at this exact moment, my next minivan looks to be a KIA. I can't even believe that I am saying that.

    BUT...Kia is releasing the new Sedona in a short-wheelbase version. Their people are saying that this will be a "sporty" version. The same powerful 3.8 liter, firmer independent suspension, but nicely sized for parking and for those of us who don't want a mammoth.

    The only van that could compare would be the latest MPV...hmmm...I can't buy that one!!!!!

    It is a sad day when Kia is picking up the ZOOMZOOM mantra for an entire vehicle segment that Mazda has apparently abandoned.

    Fortunately my current MPV will last me a few more years so Mazda has time to change their mind.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    Yeah but if you go to the Kia web site and check out the new 2006 Sedona, you will find that the 3.8ltr 244HP engine requires PREMIUM UNLEADED. Unless this thing will get 30+ MPG city, your going to need Immodium to stop the flow of cash coming out your rear for gas.

  • Hey everybody, my wife and i have about $15,000 to spend and I see plenty of low mileage MPV's for sale all over California, usually being former short-term rentals/shuttles. I drove an MPV and LOVED the way it drove, thought the interior was sweet and generally wife and I adored it. Problem is, I'm not sure if the reliability is up to the old school Mazda I grew up with. So many Ford parts, Duratec motor/Ford Transmission, I read in Consumer Reports about bad trannys and other things. JD Power rated it really low in mechanical quality. How do you think the Mazda stands vs. Dodge Caravan, Kia Sedona? My dad has a 1996 Mazda MPV and that thing is bullet proof!! He's driven that thing over 110,000 and only replaced batteries and tires! Has the same brakes on it as from factory, everything! Timing belt had to be changed, obviously, but that rig is solid!! That being said, it had a REAL Mazda engine, not a Ford. What do you guys think?
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    my '02 LX has been bullet proof for 42k miles.

    Duratec supposedly one of Ford's best, proven longevity and track record.

    Tranny is from Japan, aside from some software issues on some of the years, it has been a solid unit.

    No complaints here. I might swap it for a Mazda 5 diesel in couple years, otherwise I will keep it for at least 10 years.

  • nlsnls Posts: 65
    My advice would be to buy an extended warranty so that you are covered in case of serious problems. The Gen 1 MPV's seem to be more rugged than the Gen 2 MPV's, with lower maintenance and repair costs.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    The 3.0ltr duratec engine that is found in the MPV / Escape / Tribute / Ranger / B2000 is a Mazda Built engine. I have an '01 Escape XLT with it and have not had any problems. The '06 MPV is one of a few vehicles my wife and I are looking at as replacements for growing family.

  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    The 3.0ltr duratec engine that is found in the MPV / Escape / Tribute / Ranger / B2000 is a Mazda Built engine.

    I beg to differ. The base engine was sent over to Japan from Ford. Mazda did some control work to it. It would be a stretch to call it a Japanese product.

  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    YES, you should buy a MPV. I did...and don't regret it one bit. About 14,000 miles on our 2004 and has been extremely reliable(knock on wood).

    The only reason CR has downgraded the MPV from one of those most reliable, to not recommended, is because of the
    programming software issue with the trans. that was easily rectified. CR doesn't differentiate a mild software upgrade for the transmission to one that has the trans. falling out from beneath your vehilce. So, I wouldn't worry about that as it affected 2003 and early 2004 models.

    The only Ford part I know about is the Duratec of their best. MPV is built in and finish, as well as overall quality, is outstanding in my opinion.
  • dan bitmandan bitman Posts: 158
    I've noticed in a few of your postings, mentioning about the M5 DIESEL?
    Where did you get that for US?
    Just curious....coming from Diesel Land of Europe.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    you probably saw the Euro article then.

    Last update was that it was coming to Canada.

    Mazda US surveys are asking about whether people will be interested in it.

    It is only my opinion, but the US diesel version seems a logical next step once the fuel gets cleaned up here.

    An no, I don't work for Mazda or Ford or any car maker, I am just a normal guy.

  • dan bitmandan bitman Posts: 158
    Unfortunately, there is a huge misconception in the US, about the Diesel engines.
    I was recently in Austria and drove a manual 6 spd Diesel M6's a ZOOM-ZOOM come true!!!
    Diesel technology ( in Europe) is light years ahead of what Diesel engines represent on some US trucks.
    Or it could be ( according to other folks I spoke with)...a political issue of not encouraging Diesel for the US auto-market.
    Now grasp that....

    Thanks for clarifying, John
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    huge misconception in the US, about the Diesel engines.

    It is changing though. Even Pres. Bush publicly stated that he wanted the clean diesels coming in.

    It just makes sense, from a global perspective, to get the best technology in place. I think the emissions bug-a-boo will eventually get addressed. Then once we get a funtional modern diesel engine car available in all 50 states, the word will spread.

    Mercedes (IIRC) is planning on being in all 50 this fall, with their Blu-tec engines and technology.

  • Well my wife and I found a buyer for our Civic, selling it officially tomorrow and then we need to HURRY and buy a minivan!! I'm really worried about getting an MPV since my dad's mechanic (a local garage who works on foreign autos) told me he "quit working on MPV's." He said they're becoming tough to find parts for and less reliable. He said it wouldn't be a van he'd buy. And there is NO MAZDA DEALER in my town, closest is about 50 miles away. I'm worried that, since they're getting rid of the MPV and won't produce them in North America in 2007 that there will be a scarcity of parts. Also, worried about resale value taking a nose-dive because that's usually what happens when brands are dropped. In five years will people say, "Mazda M-P-what??" We have about $15,000 to spend and I REALLY LOVE THE MPV, drove great, fit and finish was sweet and it was overall awesome. I'm just worried about practicality here...
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Legitimate concerns, but $15,000 will put you in a very nice 2004 or 2005 MPV. If you get a 2004 make sure the built on date is after March...that is when Mazda corrected the transmission computer glitch problem. Which is the primary reason the MPV has fallen in reliability. In early 2004 the MPV was rated tied for most reliable minivan in Consumer Reports.

    Don't know why you mechanic would have a problem finding parts. I believe every manufactuer is required by law to prodvide parts for any vehicle they sell for up to 3 to 5 years(?)after its discontinuance. It's not like the Mazda MPV's parts aren't used by other models and makes. The Ford Duratec engine is used in 4 or 5 other vehilces. Japanese trans. is widely used as well.

    Resale? If you keep it 6 or 7 years resale won't matter much. The MPV will remain a cult favorite I believe. A true quality built "smaller" minivan that handles very well and doesn't ride like a bus. If any serious problems crop up you can drive 50 miles to the Mazda dealer...your local mechanic should be able to handle all the other stuff. Good luck'll be fine because you have thought everything out. ;)

    P.S I'm betting Mazda will bring back the all new MPV model in 2 or 3 years...ZOOOOOOOOMMMM ZOOOOOMMMM ZoooMMM
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138 dad's mechanic (a local garage who works on foreign autos) told me he "quit working on MPV's." He said they're becoming tough to find parts for and less reliable.....

    I certainly understand the value of a quality local mechanic...but in this case your mechanic is wrong. If the MPV had something unusual like a rotary engine I would understand his concerns. (not everyone can work on a rotary)...the 3.0L V6 is found in quite a few other products. (tribute, escape, mariner, mazda6, fusion, milan, 500, montego, etc)...if parts were hard to find you would hear alot of noise from alot of people. Any Ford or Lincoln Mercury dealer can work on the MPV...Also MPV parts are NOT hard to get. If your thinking about an extended warranty, most Ford dealers will take a Mazda MEPP warranty since its backed by Ford.

    ....Also, worried about resale value taking a nose-dive because that's usually what happens when brands are dropped. In five years will people say, "Mazda M-P-what??"....

    IF your like many van owners after 5 years of carting around kids and stuff there isnt much van left to worry about resale Also, MPV are selling at substantial discounts compared to some other import even if resale value is less, it cost you alot less to buy the your out of pocket expenses are similar.

    Jipster has provided you with some great first hand information and as you have read on here...MPV owners seem to be a very happy bunch compared to other vans. If you feel the MPV is the perfect vehicle for you then buy it.
  • Hey you guys made me feel a lot better. My gut has told me to go with the MPV. My dad ADORES his old 96 that is still driving like BRAND NEW at 120,000!!! I love the looks of the vehicle, the drivability, the interior, and trust Mazda. You guys gave me some good thoughts and input. I'm very glad I wrote in this forum! I'll let you all know how it comes out! I think the MPV will be our van. Thanks guys! ZZoommmm ZZoom.....
  • jc9799jc9799 Posts: 70
    We've hit the 9 month mark for our MPV. Last month our family (me, my wife, our 2 kids and my parents) drove to Anaheim for a 6 day stay at Disneyland. Here's a couple thing I noticed on the trip.

    First, the bad.
    1. This was the first time I wished we had a bigger van. This same group rented a Town and Country about a year ago for a week long trip in Orlando and had no problem fitting everything behind the 3 row. This trip we packed lighter, but still had to place luggage below our kids feet. Everything fit, but it was very tight.
    2. I thought the middle row seats were uncomfortable. They felt a little low, and I'm not a tall guy (5'8", with a 30" inseam).

    The good.
    1. Power. Alot of folks seem to think the MPV is underpowered, but I never felt that way on this trip. I was a little worried about crossing over Siskyou Summit and the Grapevine, but the MPV did fine. While I wouldn't call it effortless, the MPV felt strong, never strained.

    This is a nice driving car. Not like the 6 we test drove and almost bought, or even my wife's Passat, but not bad either.

    One thing that is dissapointing is the mpg. My normal route to work (about 40% city and 60% freeway) is averaging right around 18 mpg. With it's EPA estimates, I was hoping for 20 mpg or better. And it's getting slightly worse as time goes on. (They do change the gas here in Portland in the winter, so maybe things will improve in the spring.) FWIW, our V8 Explorer averaged about 15 mpg for the same route.

    I've also noticed a crunching sound that sounds like it's coming from the steering column or under the dash when I turn to the left.

    Overall, it's been a terrific van. For us, the size is just fine 99% of the time. Being able to out to dinner with my folks and not having to take 2 cars is great.
    Too bad the MPV will soon RIP.

  • gat135gat135 Posts: 7
    I am interested in purchasing a MPV but I have concerns regarding a comment that was made by my mechanic. He had claimed that it took over 1 month to get a part to repair a Mazda. Is this true? Are the MPV's reliable and can they be repaired by any competent mechanic or only factory trained?
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    I can tell you exactly what the crunching sound is (happened on my Escape), your nuts are not tight on the wheel. Alloys have a tendency to loosen over time and it causes a rub / crunch while turning. Just have your local dealer (service dept) check the lugs, they usually don't charge you for it, they just come out with a torque wrench and re-torque them. If it's not the lugs I would be worried it might be a front ti-rod or sway bar.

    Hope this helps

  • kagedudekagedude Posts: 407
    Is it official that Mazda is not bringing over the new 2007 MPV? I've seen the Mazda Japan link and that car is gorgeous. Bring it over with the same setup/dashboard/lazy boy captain chairs and 244hp engine and I would buy it in a heartbeat. I don't understand why they think the CX9 will be a suitable replacement. Isn't the price range for the upcoming CX9 starts in the 28-35K range? The great thing about the current MPV is that it is affordable and a compromise between a car and a Minivan. Mazda is making a bad decision. =(
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