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Mazda MPV

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  • auerbachauerbach Posts: 110
    the dirtiest MPV in the country.

    It was a white ES and it looked as if the owner had peeled off the clear plastic protective cladding along the bottom and every bit of dirt, dust and road grime imaginable had stuck there.

    Unbelievable.
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    Since we bought our MPV 10 days ago I have been on the lookout for others. I drive 100 miles each day,half of it on the highway,so I see alot of vehicles. In 10 days I have seen a total of 4 MPV's, 2 sand,1 dark green,and 1 red. I have seen many Sienna's, Odysseys, and Chryslers. This is starting to concern me. There were even numerous sightings of Villager/Quest,and a handfull of Chevy vans. Why are people so afraid of the MPV? Don't they realize Mazda is more dependable than Honda,and much better than Chrysler? What have the auto journalists missed? If this trend continues,Mazda may decide to stop making a van,and then you know what happens to our resale values. Maybe people should start thinking about how likely it is that a car manufacturer will continue to make a particular vehicle in 4-5 years,and use that in their decision making.Perhaps I worry too much.
  • I have been looking for awhile in the Wash, DC area. It is 20:1 Sienna:MPV sighting on the roads. Dealer inventories are very high too. We've been looking for 2 months, and every dealership seems to have a strong supply. This is bad, as the only conclusion is that MPV is a poor seller.

    One thing that helps is that there are almost no used 000+ MPVs for sale, whereas late model Siennas are quite common. Even saw a whole bunch in Mazda dealer used lots! This tells me some Toyotaphiles are switching over, and most people buyers stay with the MPV.

    If you see the number of used 2000/2001 Windstars for sale you wonder if anybody keeps these things past 6 months.
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    good point alphadaddyo, but perhaps the reason there are more used Siennas on the lots is because so many more have been sold. This works in reverse for the MPV. What you do not see on any lots are used Odysseys,which is one reason for their ridiculously high resale values. I actually was at a Honda dealer last month and they had a 2000 Ody with 17k miles on it and were asking over $25,500 for it,the same price as a new 2001! There do seem to be alot of Siennas on the lots new and used,so I don't know why their resale figures are so high. SOmetimes none of this makes any sense. The dealers,the public all get caught up in the hype, and values get unrealistic for a particular model regardless of how it actually stakes up against the competition.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    The Sienna's been around longer than the MPV, as has the Ody...Sienna arrived as a MY-1998 and the Ody as a MY-1999...so they have longer on the market, which is one reason. Also, the MPV prolly isn't as strong a seller as those two, and all the bad press about its so-called wimpy engine hadn't helped I'm sure.

    If people are off-ing their 2y.o. minivans, what's wrong with them? Hmmmmm...

    --javadoc
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    not seeing many MPVs. I like being unique. Mazda, in general, has had terrible marketing and is not a "household" name, compared to Toyota, Honda and Dodge. Mazda builds outstanding products but lacks a strong adminstration, maybe Ford will help in the years to come.

    I own a Protege and its every bit as good and even better than the Corolla and Civic. I know Maltb would agree.

    I feel a special bond with MPV owners, because I know they researched their buying decision. MPV owner's didn't follow the ODY, Sienna, and Caravan herd. It's funny, many other owners wish they looked into buying the MPV, a day late and many $s short:)

    Guys relax and enjoy being different, you made the right decision.
  • tboner1965tboner1965 Posts: 647
    Coming to the end of a 1800 mile road trip with Mrs TBoner. Driven from St. Louis, dropped off the kid at camp, then up to Mackinac Island, MI (no MPV's or any cars there.) Spent yesterday in Kalamazoo, MI at the Air Zoo, and are now 20 minutes from the camp to pick up the know-it-all.

    After about 1650 of the expected 1800 miles, I can once again re-assure all there is no power problem. Sustained driving of 80-90 MPH was without drama (at least none related to the MPV) and we've averaged about 21.5 MPG as figured last night 1243 miles into the trip.

    Oil level has not dropped a bit, and there was always power available to pass trucks on two lane roads.

    I think we've seen less than half-a-dozen MPV's on the trip.

    Gotta sign off, last night with wifey before we round up all of our kids.

    Cheers,

    TB
  • louis1004louis1004 Posts: 8
    I've been trying to find whether MPV LX has headed side mirrors or not. If they do, then how do you turn it on? Is there any documentation to prove it?

    Also, my wife has been complaining about the privacy glass. It seems like it's not quite as dark as she would like (she's sun sensitive). Do you know if it's o.k. to get a darker tint for MPV-LX 2001?
  • cutter44cutter44 Posts: 42
    Don't know about darker privacy glass, but the side mirrors on the LX are heated. According to the owners' manual they "go on" automatically with the rear defroster.
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    is very efficient in our MPV. Of Course, the windshield and the front side windows aren't as deeply tinted for safety reasons. I suppose you could add aftermarket tinted windows to the driver's and front passenger windows. Some States prohibit dark tinted windows up front. No Police officer, in his right mind, would approach a car if he couldn't see the driver clearly.
  • I would not be concerned at all about the lack of MPV's on the road. My take on the reviews is that the reviewers drive so many vehicles that it takes a lot for one to stand out above the rest, but not a lot for one to lack in a certain area. Of course, a 200hp vehicle is going to accelerate faster than a 160hp vehicle that weighs the same.

    If the van is safe, comfortable and reliable, what else do you need?

    I'm going to wait for the 3.0 200hp MPV and compare it to the current MPV. If the acceleratation is not all that noticeable, I know I'll get a great deal on a low mileage 2000/2001 or even a new 2001.

    The Edmunds 2001 mini van review has the MPV rated last out of 6 models reviewed, but it is not a distant last. What the reviews do not take into account is the probable long term reliability of the mini vans they reviewed. There is absolutely now way I would buy a Windstar or a Chrysler instead of an MPV. I've owned two Fords and one Plymouth and both had reliabilty issues. I now have a 1996 626 with 56,000 miles and no issues. I know Ford has controlling interest Mazda, but this hasn't hurt Mazda's reputation.

    Enjoy your MPV's and let the Ford and Chrysler owners found out why they get such bad reliabilty reviews. Let the Sienna and Oddy drivers
    realize they paid too much.
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    you hit the nail on the head. We owned a 95 626DX and it had much less pick up than our 01 LX MPV. I believe if you can live with the 2.5, you're going to save some big bucks come Jan. We decided on the 01 and are very happy. My Wife doesn't have a lead foot and says it has enough power. We have 4500 miles and not a single problem.

    Good luck!
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    i have a base mpv dx with only the power options added. That means I only have 4 speakers. i haven't really compared it with the 9 speaker model. but after listening to it for a year and in around 30k km i can at least tell you that if you can, go for the 9 speakers.

    on the other hand, i have had no problems with it.

    while i'm in here and in case anybody also wants to know... go for the rear air. i've lived this van in cold canadian winter and hot humid summers.

    heating is pretty good, i think this is because the aluminum engine heats up more easily so in about 5 to 10 minutes i already have heat.

    but cooling seems to be another matter.
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    Okay,just a few comments after the first 2 weeks with our LX,and comparing it to the 94 Villager we traded in,regarding some items 'missing' on the newer van.Such as a light inside the glovebox and under the hood,passenger side power lock switch,and power rear vent windows. Now the pwr rear windows I can understand,but the others Mazda should have in this vehicle for $25k. I don't like 'losing' anything when I upgrade to a new vehicle and spend all that money. Granted,we did get many things we didn't have before,but the items mentioned are very inexpensive for a Mfg. to add. One final point to Mazda and all other car mfgs,please get rid of the old fashioned hood prop bar and give us struts. Enough for now.
  • su_a_vesu_a_ve Posts: 68
    Sales and service are totally separate, so don't buy the car at a particular dealer just because you'll plan on taking it for service...

    I bought it from Flemington, but just because they had the car, and ended up only at about $240 over invoice (less $1000 rebate and 4.9 financing). We wanted white and with rear air, it was the only one in NJ. We never got to look at PA dealers though.

    I contacted Flemington initially via autbytel and they quoted another color for about $280 under invoice. When we found they had a white one a week later (literally coming off the truck), they were dealing with over 400 over. We pushed they were trying to do bait and switch but they claimed they were doing a mistake and a 1 was infact an 8 (so now it was $580 over invoice).

    Other dealers were only interested in selling what they had in stock only (Princeton, Hamilton, Edison). Edison was the only one willing to negotiate down big time and talks were starting at about $200 over.

    We bought an LX with 4seas, sec, roof rack, dual air, and cargo net.

    Hope this helps...
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    For those of you wondering how the MPV will look with a Yakima bike rack on the roof, here are a few pics of my neighbour's '00 MPV ES. I'm sure she doesn't mind ;-). These pictures were taken a few days ago at 9:15pm.

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    P.S. Javadoc, where are those pics of the Mochavan? ;-p
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    ...e-mail the host of this board and tell him we have some bandwidth violations!

    Nice pics Drew...and nice houses!

    :)
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I'm telling...some cultures would think you stole that van's Soul!!

    ;-)

    --j
  • billmckinleybillmckinley Posts: 167
    Alphadaddyo, if you're not an ardent audiophile, I wouldn't spend the extra money on the 9-speaker sound. I like to listen to classical music on my car radio and all I have is the 4-speaker. And it is light years better than any radio I've ever had in a car. It's got an incredible richness of sound that frankly blew me away when I first heard it.
    True audiophiles will disagree, but if you're not one of them [and you don't have an adolescent to [non-permissible content removed] at you for cheaping out],go for standard.

    As for the rear air, don't even hesitate. Get it. It's worth it in spades.

    RJ
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    It's a leased van so it has no soul ;-p ;-)


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  • alexv1nalexv1n Posts: 248
    About the glove box light. Don't yours have one? Mine shurely has it! I have 2000 LX. There's one catch. The key should be in the ignition for it to work (I'm not sure if it just needs to be in, or in ACC position at least)...
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Alex, Rutger3,

    The key needs to be in the same position that gives the radio power (ACC position?). I had to go back and look, since it's so light here these days, it never seems to get dark.

    --java
  • likaglovlikaglov Posts: 82
    Nice pics of the roof rack. Reminds me that my wife would like to add a bike rack which attaches to a tow-bar. Anybody have a tow-bar installed on their MPV? I'm sure it's not really rated for towing, but we like the idea of using it for the bikes. She can't really use the roof rack and those temporary ones you attach to the trunk of a car is a PAIN (and may not even work on the van).
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    My factory hitch should be in next week. It's a class II(smaller receiver) but it should handle a bike rack no problem. I'll let you know once I get it installed.

    :)
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I really like Yakima's Roc'N Gate system. It holds four bikes and will swing around so you can open the rear hatch of the MPV w/o unloading the bikes. It is expensive at around $450, but it's the best of the best, and will last for years and years. Besides, pricing all the racking accessories for a roof system adds up quickly also. What price, convenience, right?
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Sorry, too late to edit this...the Roc'N Gate is available only for 2" hitches, and not for 1-1/4" hitches, although there are other models available that would fit the smaller receiver type.

    Drew...your neighbor needs to get a fairing for that rack...the noise must be incredible.

    --java
  • cutter44cutter44 Posts: 42
    I'm bringing in the beast for its 6k mi. service tomorrow (with 7k mi. on it...oh well). I was checking the owners manual to be aware of what should be done and I happened to notice that it suggests tire rotation every 3750 mi. Maybe they're aware of abnormally quick wear. Isn't 7500 or so, more normal for tire rotation? I know my dealer didn't rotate them at the 3k service. Also, the dealer only mentioned oil & filter change and tire rotation. According to the manual they should be checking fluid levels and lubing latches, etc. What's been your experience with dealers service?
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    She has an aerodynamic piece on the front crossbar of the rack. Yakima says that it's supposed to reduce wind noise by a fair amount. You can see it in the picture below:


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  • h20guyh20guy Posts: 64
    admit that is a beautiful van.
  • azsandazsand Posts: 2
    Hello everyone,
    I apologize for jumping in without a proper introduction, but I really do feel like I'm amongst friends. I've been reading these MPV discussions for quite awhile and used some of your comments as part of my decision to buy a '01 MPV DX - Sand Mica. Since I live in Arizona and we have plenty of sand and considering the color of my MPV, I guess it's pretty obvious how I chose my logon name.

    I noticed several recent posts about trailer hitches so I thought this would be a good point to make a comment. Just last Saturday I bolted up a Drawtite class III receiver hitch to my MPV. Other than fighting over 50 lbs. of steel while lying under the van, the overall process was pretty straight forward. It takes 5 bolts and no drilling whatsoever. I would suggest having some help in holding the hitch in place while starting the bolts, but I managed to do it with two hydraulic jacks. Also, you have to hold your mouth just right to wiggle the right end of the hitch past the muffler.

    I bought the hitch at etrailer.com for $99.95 plus shipping, which was the best deal I could find. I think they have the class II hitch for about $10 less, but I wanted the versatility of the 2 inch receiver. I was concerned about the larger hitch detracting from the appearance of the van, but my wife says it looks fine, so who am I to argue. I might try to post some pictures if anyone is interested.

    I guess I've used up enough band width for now ...

    AZsand
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