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Toyota Echo

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  • nodakernodaker Posts: 20
    If you listen closely, you'll hear the wheels squealing as I round the corner on the big 5 - 0.

    I am seeing more and more ECHO's around this rather small town and 9 times out of 10 the folks driving them are sporting gray hair :) I tried to convince my next door neighbor to buy an ECHO -- she's 68 and her hubby is 80. They ended up buying an older Buick Century (isn't that what all older people buy ), and I see the both of them struggling to get in and out of that car, so much so it almost pains me to watch. Whenever she and I go somewhere I will drive and she always comments on how easy it is to get in and out of my car. Duh..... that was the main reason I pushed the ECHO so hard.

    This past weekend I was waiting in the car while my husband dashed into a store quickly. Parked next to us was an older style Lumina. I couldn't believe how little room there *appeared* to be in that car. Both occupants were so close to the dashboad, no headroom and they looked squished in there. Everytime I get into my deceptively "little" silver ECHO I am amazed over and over how much room there really is!
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    I first got my ECHO when I was 25, that was 2 years ago and Ive loved every minute of it, couldnt imagine driving anything else (although I love the look of the Matrix) :)
  • I believe that Toyota really missed the mark on this one. Echo is a outstanding car, but the company didn't/doesn't realize what they have. This is the idea car for older people, whose children have grown up and moved out, leaving an empty nest. This is the ideal car for just zipping around town and taking care of those little trips where a large car is not required.

    Toyota didn't seem to consider the possibility that there might be an older market out there. Instead, Toyota targeted the younger generation thinking of it only as an entry level car. And Toyota didn't do a lot of advertising at that. I may have seen one Echo commercial on TV in the last two years. Too bad, Toyota has a winner with this car, but dropped the ball.

    Of course, Toyota may have worried that pushing the Echo too much might impact other car sales, Corolla, Camry, etc. Could impact the profit margin. I'm not sure that makes any sense.
  • and have noticed most other Echo drivers are middle aged and female,.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    Has anyone had any experiences with Douglas tires on the ECHO? (It's a brand that seems to be primarily found at Wal-Mart.) We're looking for economical tires with treadwear and wet-pavement performance at least on par with -- if not better than -- the factory-installed Bridgestones. (The car didn't even make it to 25K-mi before the wear bars began to show!)

    In response to the demographic survey: the female owner of the ECHO in question was 28 when she bought the car. :)
  • I just saw a television commercial for the 2003 ECHO. A 30s something woman is driving with her talkative child in the back seat. The little girl mentions the large cabin space. Actually, the woman puts the child in the trunk because she sees a nice looking guy on the street. Hmmm... interesting.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    LK you are right on the money IMHO. Imagine if all those Camry buyers realized they didnt NEED a Camry they could do just fine with an ECHO. Scary.
    Yes my tires (Bridgestone Potenzas) are about one half worn out at 12.5k miles. Im disapointed because with the light weight of the ECHO I thought they would last longer. (but tires wear most when new and harden up and wear slower when old) Ive never seen Douglas tires but if you look on the sidewall at the government treadwear numbers and compare them to the potenza numbers youll get a relative idea ie if potenza equal 200 and they last 25k and Douglas equal 400 then the douglas tires should last 50k. Thats the best anyone can predict how long the tires will last unless they have actual experience with other tires. Toyo makes a 80-100k tire which I think I will go to when the stock tires wear out.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    What is the thing about ECHO that you like the most? I like the ECHO because it is a small car with great economy. It has less impact on the environment and because it uses less gas leaves us less vulnerable to foriegn sources of oil.
  • mdrewmdrew Posts: 32
    44 when I bought my 2000 4dr auto, around the average buyer age at the time I recall. Around here--Berkeley, Bay Area--I see all kinds of Echo drivers, no particular pattern. Haven't checked mileage in some time but last found about 36mpg around town, 40 on the highway. Re: last survey item, I liked the weird looks first time I saw (a gold) one on the street, love the high seating position, figured a Toyota would be reliable, etc...Would definitely buy it again, though my ideal would be to rotate colors and have a different color every month. I like the sfoam blue but see silver, green, dark blue ones I also like.
  • of the average Echo driver, 47 yrs old (or should I say young). I love many things about my Echo, the roominess, ease of handling, problem-free, etc., but what I love most is her looks...her personality shines through.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The Bridgestone Potenzas wear out VERY quickly. They come on the Proteges as well, and the people in that discussion had to replace them my 30K or less, from reading there. Also, someone had their tires go bald at 28K, and they hydroplaned into another car. So be careful with those tires. They have a very low treadwear rating.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    What I like most about the ECHO is the car's interior room coupled with its small size and economy. The interior is huge in this car! I was able to sit in the back seat of it when I went out with a couple of friends the other night (the friend with the ECHO drove), and I am 6'3 and weigh in at about 270lbs.! I can't even sit in the back seat of my own Jetta! :)

    Also, my friend is always saying how much money he saves in gas with this car compared to his previous one. And how much more peppy the car is as well.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,867
    A major weekly magazine would like to talk with recent Toyota buyers who are under the age of 35. If you fit this description and care to share your story, please respond to me at jfallon@edmunds.com with your name, daytime phone number and city/state of residence before Wednesday, October 16, 2002.
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  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    What about us owners older than 35?! Dont we count for anything?
  • Kneisl1- Thank You for the kind words. I really believe that Toyota missed a good bet. My wife's car is a 99 Avalon. We have enjoyed it, but I really enjoy my 2002 Echo too. It is a 4 speed with A/C. I have about 5700 miles on it. This summer, at 70 MPH with A/C, the car averaged 45.3 MPG round trip for 330 miles. I had a cross wind coming and going. Around town, about 41-43 MPG.

    About the Bridgestone tires, the Avalon's factory Bridgestone tires were replaced at 35,000 miles, because they were torn out. When I picked up My Echo, it had Potenzas on it and I had the dealer replace them with Goodyears. I'm not sure they are better than the Potenzas, but they couldn't be any worse. My 2 cents worth
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    If you could change one thing about your ECHO what would it be? I would want a turbocharged diesel engine of 1.3 liters.
  • nodakernodaker Posts: 20
    kneisl1 writes:

    >It has less impact on the environment and because it uses less gas leaves us less vulnerable >to foreign sources of oil.

    Ditto! I couldn't have said it better.

    It doesn't take much to humor me, but when I pull away from the gas pump with a total of 11.00 showing plus a full tank, then pass huge SUV's still sucking up petrol with their pumps approaching 40.00 I am so thankful for my ECHO. (in all likelihood they will be visiting the gas station again before me :)
  • nodakernodaker Posts: 20
    Strategically, and well-placed arm rests ;~)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    ...a radio commercial last night for Toyota's clearance for end of year. They said there is a $1000 rebate going on now on the ECHOs. I was surprised, because I never hear Toyota giving rebates. The offer ends on 10/14, so this might be the time to get that ECHO. Also, I heard this commercial in MD, so it might not apply to any other region.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    $1000 rebate on a $12000 car must be the best all time deal! How about 0% for five years?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I have hardly ever heard of Toyota giving rebates, so sales must really be slow. They did have a financing deal not too long ago, I thikn it was only 0.9% and only for 36 months though.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I bought a set of Douglas Performance GTH tires to put on an Accord and they are very good. I can't recommend the normal GT or other Douglas tires. I don't think you can get an exact size match, but 195/60/14 will fit the Echo fine.

    Be sure the WalMart balances your tires correctly. I had to take my tires back twice, the first time because the balancer hadn't been calibrated in a while, and again because the technician did a sloppy job. WalMart has a good attitude, but keep your eye on them. They also overinflate your tires - 35 psi, which is liveable, but the tires only need 32 psi. WalMart overinflates them all in case the customers don't come back for a while or check their tire pressure regularly.
  • A friend just purchased a new Echo.She drives it to work which is less than a quarter mile away.It sits in the parking lot all day until she drives it back home, where most of the time it sits until the following morning. Can this harm the engine?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Well it would hurt the engnine in the sence that a car which is driven long distances will go farther before needing repair than one which is driven short distances. And one quarter mile to work is short distance! If it were me Id walk to work.
  • I saw the rule on an English teacher's board showing the plural of words ending in "o" and here it is:

    Just add "s" to words ending in "o".

    So the plural of Echo is Echos.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    One thing I've noticed about the English language: Rules are the exception. <GRIN>


    fungo -> fungoes

    mango -> mangoes

    tomato -> tomatoes

    potato -> potatoes (remember Dan Quayle?)


    http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=echo


    echo -> echoes

    Then again, Toyota seems to want us to spell out ECHO in capital letters, so maybe it's not subject to dictionary restrictions!

  • ECHO is EXCEPTIONAL.
  • gaiffemgaiffem Posts: 11
    2000, 4-dr, 5-speed
    My age when bought: 53 (now 55)
    Mileage: 38.2 in town, 41.3 hwy (37,243 mi so far)
    Likes (priority order): Quickness (handling & acceleration); roominess; entry/exit ease; appearance; economy.
    Dislikes (priority order): OEM tires, lack of tach and presence of "idiot lights".
    Buy again? You bet!
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    I'd like to hear from those who answered the survey if they would buy another ECHO?
  • Recently there was a very short article in the newspaper saying that Toyota has a problem with the "brake fluid pipes" on the Echo. Has anyone else heard about this and what the problem is? I am real picky about my cars but the Echo is really tops to us and we have been around long enough to have owned a lot of cars. Slimtex
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