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  • Seen in a used-car lot a lonely white Echo amongst other makes/models. It was the first car in a line of cars. Whenever I passed the area my heart would break. One weekend there was a huge sale at the car lot, with balloons and streamers. A single white balloon was tied to this white Echo. The next week it was observed that the Echo was no longer on the lot. In my heart I know that someone gave her a good home.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Kaz6 I was thinking that if you could have gotten past the moving issues that the ECHO would have made a terrific city car. Nimble in traffic and easy to find a place to park. On the other hand it would take a toll on the nerves driving a small car in city traffic! Good luck with the Elantra!
      The white ECHO found a home pretty quick. I see many of them for sale for quite a long time in the paper and also at the Toyota dealer. In fact my dealer has new 2002 ECHOs for sale, if you can believe the ads in the paper.
  • babyboomerbabyboomer Posts: 205
    Cut on sidewall on original tire could not repaired (so said the mechanic and I believe him). Echo (2001) has 20,000 miles on it and had planned to replace the tires at end of summer anyway. Ended up buying two new tires for front. Plan to replace the other two at end of summer.

    True or false: Sidewall cuts/holes on tires can not be repaired.

    True or false: Better to replace both tires on same axle than just one, and tires should be same brand/type/size.

    True or false: When buying just two new tires, better to put both on front than the back.

    I have been told by mechanic that all the above statements are true. Any other truths I should know?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    The mechanic is quite right about sidewall cuts. The sidewall flexes and dammage there can lead to a blowout.
      As far as the rest I used to have beater cars which means all the rules go out the window. As long as it runs everythings fair. I often used different brands and even sizes. (On my motorcycle I have used radial tires on the front and bias ply on the rear. No problem.) Tires with differing ammounts of wear were used on the same axle. The result? No problem at all. But then I drove very conservatively and slowly and not in citytraffic. In winter or bad weather or in high speed city traffic, yes I would follow that advice the mechanic gave you. Or if an inexperienced driver is involved.
      On the plus side it is ok to plug a tire with a hole in the tread. I even do it on the mc. Oh and one thing he didnt tell you about tires. Check you air pressure religiously! That is the main reason suvs are rolling over.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    It's not just the moving that made me switch. I also will have to set up house again which includes buying bulky items like tv's, etc. The ECHO's trunk is huge but the opening makes it hard to get items into it-the exception being my Mom's 19" lawn mower!
    As for size, I used to navigate Manhattan traffic(lived in Staten Island for 9 years)on a variety of motorcycles nearly all year.
    The car will be mainly for days off and such so mpg is not an issue.
    I do miss my ECHO just the same!
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I guess my Echo qualifies as to having "high mileage." I bought it new back in December of 2000 and I already have 65k miles on it. No rattles, doesn't burn oil between oil changes, and I am still loving it.

    Tires are still good, but having so many miles on them make me a little antsy. If you were me, would you go ahead and change them. I am looking at Dunlop SP Sport A2 which Consumer Reports gave a good write up on. I just wish I knew how my current tires (Goodyear) compared in wet braking, dry braking, etc. If it rated as high in each category, I would go with them again.

    In its current issue, Motor Trend has an article about the Scion cars. Paraphrasing, MT says it will take away any justification for buying an Echo. I got some justification for you. How about the fact that the Echo is available as a coupe or sedan while the Scions aren't? How about the better fuel economy of the Echo? How about the better straight line acceleration? According to Motor Trend itself, the Echo (with manual) does 0 to 60 in 8.4 seconds while the Xa (with manual) takes a second longer. They expect the Xb will put up numbers similar to the Xa. Is that enough justification for you, MT?

    Well, I want to check out a few more of the message boards before I have to get ready for work.

    Happy Echoing.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    I would recommend the Yokohama Avid Touring tire.
    It will last more than 80k miles, is excellent in rain and very quiet. Cost is: $ 50 plus installation -for P175/65R14-
    Where? at www.tires.com
    By the way, my Echo is a 2001 and the odometer shows 64600 miles. No repairs, no complaints, no oil consumption between changes.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    But how does the Yokos do in other categories? The Dunnies did pretty well in most every category.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Thankyou for that information about the Yoko tires. That is a very long lived tire for a very reasonable price.
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    My 2000 Echo is now at 79K miles, I also have never had to add oil between changes, which I do at every 6K miles. Pulls as good as ever. My wife did report a nasty sound that she has heard several times now, from the front. I never hear it. My daughter, who is now driving, figured it out right away, it is the AC. Which I rarely use. Seems to happen when initially turned onto a high setting. Probably a loose or bad belt, I will get after it right away. Since I did get the major 60K maintenance (at 65K miles), I bet they didnt replace that belt, and they likely should have. I had one other small issue about 10K miles ago, which was that the electrical switch in the drivers door had gone bad. Which had some minor repercussions, like the interior light did not go on when the door opened. Cheap and easy fix was that.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Believe it or not those belts are probably good for 100k miles or more. If it is necessary to replace it, make sure they replace the power steering belt at the same time. I think the ps belt needs to come off to replace the waterpump, alternator, ac belt anyway. Im thinking the noise might be the clutch for the ac. But whatever it is tell us what they find out!
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That reminds me of my friend's ECHO. He originally was going to get a Hyundai Elantra (01 model, about the same price as the ECHO). He hated the Hyundai's brakes when we drove it, and he decided to try the ECHO out. He loved it, and bought it that day. It was a 2000 model with 36K at the time, and it's got about 54K on it now. He took a long highway trip this week, so I am curious to talk with him and see how his mileage was and how he liked the car overall on his first long trip with it.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Be warned about the Dunlop SP Sport tires. Someone in the Protege forum bought them, and they wore out in 25K miles (their mileage rating is 50K). Also check some reviews on Tirerack.com, some others have experienced this same issue. I would go for the Avid T4s if I were you...
  • Here in Honolulu there are several companies which use the Echo as their company cars. You see their logos and signs imprinted on the front side doors. The cutest ones are the Diversified Exterminators Echos. One half of the car from hood to tail is painted orange, the other half is painted white. It's sure to bring a smile to your face. If you're ever in Honolulu be sure to look up the Diversified Exterminators Echo. I would post a picture if I had a computer, digital camera, and the know-how, but I don't. Perhaps someday...
  • echorickechorick Posts: 27
    I have 46,000 on my 2000 2 door 5 speed ECHO. I was surprised that I had to replace my front brake pads at 46,000. My other cars have gotten about double that mileage. I do not ride tha brakes and I usually downshift when slowing down.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    Well, this problem took me by surprise: My gilfriend mentioned that her ECHO was lagging in throttle response late last week while the engine was cold. Well, yesterday it blossomed into a full-blown stalling issue. The engine tends to give out in idling conditions. If you step on the gas, the car will go, but watch out if you need to halt at a stoplight. . . .

    The engine can start up again, but will constinue to struggle. Any thoughts on what the cause could be? It's a 2000 4-door automatic with just over 31,000 miles. I opened the hood and checked the air filter; even though it's not clogged, I replaced it anyway due to the mileage. I pulled the spark plugs to inspect them; they are Denso Iridiums, and they don't look fouled.

    It's going to visit the dealership tomorrow. If it's a drivetrain issue, it should be covered under the 5/60 warranty, right? My favorite theory at the moment is that she got a bad tank of gas somehwere.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    46k miles for front brake pads is normal, maybe even better than normal. Remember brkes have envionmentaly friendly compounds now that wear out faster than the older ones.
      
    i doubt slugline that your stalling engine would be covered under the drivetrain warranty(but it might be) A better bet would be the emissions warranty. If they dont want to cover it mention the emissions warranty and read the owners manual information for information about it. Im thinking this sort of thing if in fact not under warranty is something you could get results by complaining about. Does the exhaust smell like rotten eggs? I had a tank of cheapo gas do that once. It sounds to me like your cars computer is in limp home mode which means one of the sensors is bad. Good luck and tell us what you find out!
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I should point out that I have a problem that I had completely forgotten about and that is the fact the horn is not working. I have not had time for the dealer to diagnosis it so I am not really sure the cause. I pulled what I thought was the correct fuse and it seems okay. Just have to see what the dealer says. I don't really use the horn so it was easy to forget.
  • echorickechorick Posts: 27
    I recently had the same problem. It turned out that the wire to the horn had somehow come loose.
    It was a simple fix.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I have never had tires that did not last as least as long as whatever the mileage warranty was so I have no idea what happens if the tires don't last that long. Will they replace the tires free or will they pro-rate the price of new tires based on how long the old tires lasted?
  • I checked the Corolla msg board to see if anyone reported stalling problems. Seems that a couple of folks are reporting it. One poster seems to think that his was a case of a cracked sparkplug getting plugged with antifreeze, another poster took his car to the dealer and the dealer wasn't able to find the cause. I understand when it comes to stalling the solutions, if any, may be varied and difficult to diagnose. My father owned a Camry several years ago which stalled frequently. He said never again will he buy or drive a Camry. The dealer never could cure the stalling. Needless to say, my dad traded in his Camry after 3 years.
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    About 6 or 7 months ago I posted about the body moulding on the lower part of my front passenger side door was starting to come off. Luckily they had the part in stock so they put the new piece on, well now its starting to come off again. Its slowly peeling back from the body of the car just like last time. Im going to take it in next week, but just wondered if anyone else has had any problems with the body moulding??
  • petro33petro33 Posts: 192
    slugline If you car is under three years old and under 36K miles you are under the basis warreenty that covers just about everything!
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    I wish I was with my girlfriend when she took the car in, but this is what she told me:

    When she took the car in, the tech found a valve disconnected from the airbox. They reconnected it and the car is running fine now. They posit that I disconnected it while changing the air filter and forgot to reattach it.

    Of course, this is a bit confusing to me, because I wouldn't have even been under the hood looking at the filter if the car was running fine in the first place.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Well at least it runs right. It could be worse!
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    It has been a week since I posted about a bad sound from the AC. It has not recurred, and my wife and daughter say they just are careful not to turn on the AC to high (full fan) from a dead off situation. And they don't get the sound anymore either. So I am presuming I will wait till I can actually experience the sound myself, before going after a fix.
    46K miles sounds like a quick wear out on the brake pads to me. But surely no big deal, just probably a different driving style that results in such wear. Not a costly replacement, I would think. And a little wondering if you got to see the pads, perhaps thinking that the mechanic was looking to do some business.
    I was doing a bit of reading on the 2003 Corolla somewhere, maybe a consumer reports test issue. Because it seems like a reasonable alternative to the Echo, being very little more cost when you consider what features come standard. But I noticed in that road test that the turning circle was 38feet on the Corolla. That is way more than the Echo. If we werent short on funds these days I would sure be looking for a 2000 - 2002 used Echo with not too much mileage, because the prices seem good. And I could pass it or mine over to my sister. I sure think it is a fine car. I also notice in the monthly news reports that the Echo is selling noticeably better this year than it did last year.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Got back last night from a trip to St. Louis. Filled up here to Kansas City and then at Columbia on the way back. Total mileage was 411 miles and the Echo took 9.935 gallons to bring it back to where the fuel level was before the trip started. This means the Echo returned slightly in excess of 41 mpg. Pretty amazing when you learn that the miles to St. Louis were run at an average of 90 mph and the leg back to Columbia were run at an average of 80 mph.

    I was looking through the auto section from Saturday's paper and the dealership where I bought my Echo is now offering a 10 year/100,000 mile limited power train warranty and other goodies [for no charge] on not just the 2003 Echo, but every new Toyota they sell.

    No one has answered my questions about tire warranties. If a tire does not last as long as it is supposed to, are the tires replaced free of charge or do they sell you new tires at a discounted price based on the percentage of how long the tires last in the first place?
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    Majorthom, I have not made any claims for tires due to short life. I do know that many years ago the standard was certainly a pro-rata one. As you put it, based on the percentage of how long the tire has lasted. I know that because I remember reading the warranty carefully. Hence I suspect that things are the same now, although I have not looked closely at the warranty of any tires I have bought in recent years.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That person with the Dunlop SPs got a pro-rated refund for another set of the same crappy tires...
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    Well my car must know that Im taking it in for service this Friday cuz when I started it tonite and turned my lights on the instument panel didnt light up and my back lights didnt work (although the brake light and turn signals do) Could this just be a fuse??
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