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  • romigromig Posts: 11
    My idea of storing an ECHO is not a good idea after all, they were made to use..Storing a Model T Ford might be O.K.as there are no electronic parts and there are more parts available to-day then any other car.I am used to the idea my l961 BMW Earls Fork Motorcyle ran for 40 some years and would easily last another 40,No electronic parts..There are l923 BMW bikes thar are still used in Canada to-day,Thay were simple..
  • The Scion A is a heavier car than the Echo, and is considerably lower in gas mileage. I don't consider it a substitute for the Echo hatchback (which is sold only in Canada). So there may be a trip to Canada for me in the near future. Again, does anyone know the pitfalls of importing a new car from Canada? A Toyota dealer up in Ontario (in the vicinity of Buffalo, NY) says it is done all the time and that there is an agent he can recommend who does all the paperwork for $350... Plus, you don't have to get the air conditioning and other stuff that I don't want, but that Toyota USA forces you to take.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    http://interactive.onramp.ca/hansens/library/files/uscitizen_cana- dianvehicle.pdf

    http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/factmnc.htm

    This should give you a start into the difficulties of bringing a Canadian vehicle into the US.
  • Thanks, Pulgo, for the links, which show page upon page of forms and requirements. They do tend to give one a bad case of bureaucrat-o-phobia. The thought of innocently wading into that thicket is enough to make me want to buy a gas guzzling Navigator instead of an Echo. Presumably, one might be delivered from this particular form of purgatory by hiring an agent for whom these nightmares are all in a day's work. This was recommended by a dealer I talked to. But of course an agent may not be entirely forthcoming about the obstacles, either. Has anybody out there had any success with this? (or failures)
  • Just buy yourself a new Echo and be happy with it .I think you would love a 4 door Echo mine is a 2 door and i love it .
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Forget about importing. Just move to Canada!
  • Thanks for all the great advice! First, let me say that the newspaper article that Pulgo references seems to be mostly concerned with used vehicle imports. I am interested in a new vehicle. The article does have a disturbing note about warranties; if one could not get a US dealer to honor the Toyota warranty then that would be the kiss of death for the idea, wouldn't it? I could of course forget this obsession and buy an Echo 2 or 4 door. However, I tend to keep vehicles for a long time and I hate to compromise on something that I will be living with for years. As far as moving to Canada is concerned, I think that is the best idea yet! I have always found Canadians to be wonderful people, and the country to be highly civilized. With global warming, the climate there should be getting better, too...
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "With global warming, the climate there should be getting better, too..."

    Oh, I don't know about that one! In the span of a couple of months this year, we've had super dry weather, raging forest fires, torrential rainfall and floods. :)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Fuelmiser you mentioned that the Scion A is heavier than the ECHO. How heavy is it exactly?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I was just looking over the Scion A at Toyotas website. They are offering a huge ammount of things on it that arent on ECHO...for the same or less money. What gives here? Also the car is a hatchback which makes it a much more versitile car. The only catch is the weight...its 300-400 lbs heavier than ECHO which means it wont accelerate as well nor get as good fuel mileage. Fuelmiser exactly what do you have against the Scion A? It looks like a very viable car.
  • The Scion A is considerably more expensive, gets considerably less gas mileage, and has a bunch of extras that I don't want. My taste in cars runs to the very basic, as you may have guessed by now. I have owned, since new, a 1987 Chev Sprint/ER. This car cost $6000 new, and will get up to 60 US miles per gallon. In winter, with stop and start driving, it gets in the low 50's. I would not be looking for a new car now except for the fact that the Sprint is getting rusty around the rocker panels, and has 200,000 miles on the odometer.

    I like the idea of the hybrid cars, but they are rather pricey. If I spent that kind of money on a car, I am afraid I would have to go into crisis counselling if I got a scratch on it.

    If I can't find an Echo hatchback my alternative would be an Echo sedan/coupe rather than the Scion A.

    Thanks for all your comments. I will keep you posted.
  • scion xa that I saw was cramped in the rearseat and relative trunk room very limited. can't comment on ride as they are only on display here. I saw no real advantage over the echo esp. as a basic commuter or around-town car. Visibilty not as good as echo either. Aslightly used echo that can be found with a little searching should be a better value....relaiblity is the same or better. with a proven product. scion xb- lots of potential if you haul a lot!
    Thanks,
    Don
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Hybrid cars do not work...dont waste your money on one. The battery will be $$$ to replace besidesbeing dirty to make. Many people report no better than 45 mpg with them....5 mpg more than ECHO for twice the money. The ECHO sedan is a good car. Today I towed my sons 93 Altima home with it with the tow strap my mom gave me ten years ago. I think the fuel pump went or possibly the fuel filter/fuel system is clogged.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    When i recently saw the Scion A it reminded me of something but for the life of me I couldnt remember what. Now I remember. It looks like the animal in Galaxy Quest that the movie actors tried to beam up to their spaceship but it came in inside out and exploded.
  • suvshopper4suvshopper4 Posts: 1,110
    You towed an Altima with your Echo? I'm impressed.

    Does the Echo have a tow rating?
    Or were you just stuck for a way to get the Altima home?
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    In Europe the same car, but with another name - YARIS- can tow 2000 pounds or about 900kg, if the trailer has brakes. All of this with the smaller 1.3 liter engine.
    If would assume that if precautions are taken (little traffic, no hilly terrain, low speeds, low ambient temperatures) a car like the Altima could be towed safely for a FEW miles with no harm to the engine. I would lock out overdrive (if automatic transmission is used) and not abuse the clutch (Kneisl1 has a manual transmission).
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Its was only about a 2 mile tow on flat ground. The ECHO engine has little low end torque and it was necessary to slip the clutch quite a bit to get moving. Yes the steets were empty mostly but my son assumed the Altima would follow my car and did not turn the wheels at all the first turn! The ECHO in the American version is towing not recommended but you can buy hitches made just for ECHO and they go on with four bolts and no drilling/cutting. I tow a boat and traile that together weight about 500-600 lbs with motor et al.
  • I talked to an auto importer in Baltimore. The Yaris cannot be imported into the USA, they said; I suggested this was perhaps because its diesel engine could not meet US pollution standards. The person on the phone agreed. I am not sure this is strictly true, because the complicated EPA/UScustoms forms that you can see in pulgo's links (posted a few days ago) seemed to allow for exceptions. I think that a person would have to be brave indeed who would wade into that bureaucratic thicket. I am investigating the importing of the Echo hatchback from Canada, which apparently meets the US pollution specs and may not require such a stout heart.

    There are many import agents in the US who are licensed to import cars.
     
    You an get a list of them at http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/web_RI_list07252003.ht- ml

    I talked to one of the agents listed in northern NY state, and they said, in effect, 'This is what we do, and we do it all the time.' The price for their services was US$350.00
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    You are to be praised for your efforts in looking for ways to import cars which dont make it to the US, fuelmiser. Not that I think it will work, but if it does you should make your plan public and charge money for it.
      I evolved a plan many years ago to import Mexican made VWs when the ones made in germany were no longer availible. Somehow, someway you get one of these illegal critters to your house. You already have, say, an American ECHO already liscenced and insured and just transfer the plates and paperwork to the new illegal one. The illegal import in effect assumes the identity of the legal car. Of course that means its twice as expensive and if you ever get found out in an accident youre duck soup.
  • I would not try to import a car if I thought it was illegal! There are new car dealers in Canada who will sell cars for import. It is done via an agent; EPA forms that certify that the car meets US pollution controls are prepared, US import duties (where applicable) are paid at the border, and so on. Canadian taxes are waived, but of course you pay state sales taxes when you register the car in the US. There is a substantial volume of this type of business that happens along our border with Canada, and it appears to be completely on the up and up.

    For an Echo, which is made in Japan, I understand that the US will charge an import duty when the car is brought in from Canada. Other makes or models may not have the import duty: if the car is actually made in Canada, then the import duty is not levied. This is apparently due to free trade agreements between the US and Canada.

    I will post more as I learn about this. Meanwhile, for those of you who want to do their own research, here is a link to a government booklet on importing cars. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/quiktext.htm#canversion
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I was just reading that sales of the PT Cruiser and the New Beetle have collapsed. They just arent selling any more. BMW has limited imports of the Mini to 25,000 a year because they fear a saturated market. So the hot trendy cars are falling by the wayside while the ECHO keeps chugging along. Not even the so called experts in the field like Edmunds could kill ECHO with their disparaging comments. We ECHO owners know a good thing when we se it and are able to look beneath the surface to see the quality within.
  • the other day, my ignition would not turn nor would the auto shifter move. i started to panic, then i moved the tilt steering lever and everything worked. i put the tilt back in the original position and everything is cool.
  • So far I have not found anything about the TSB on rattling door lock pulls. My dealer here in Oregon is also unaware of the TSB, and the service manager says there is no record that the part has been updated. If we can't find any more information, he will order the current part and see if it is any wider than the existing pulls.

    A couple members of this board (sfecho and babyboomer?) mentioned that they had this one fixed. If so, it would be very useful to have the name and location of the dealer(s) who have done this. Then I can hopefully track this one down. : )

    BTW, thanks for the response to my previous post. The TSB forum didn't respond, so I assume there isn't any information there.

    - Matt
  • My side of the story: My son took the Echo to dealer for oil change and I told him to fuss about the rattling door lock pulls since under warranty. And if they ever came out with a TSB then we could say we had the problem when car was under warranty. Later after next date with the dealer I remember telling son they must have put thicker ones since no more rattling.

    His side of the story: He does not remember telling them about the pulls. He did not save any paperwork from his trips to the dealer (He said they did not give him any paper about warranty work). I ask for and save all paperwork when I have maintenance done but no trace of dealer replacing the pulls in my files. My son now drives the Echo and does not complain about any rattling. They may have done an adjustment.

    Hoping there is someone out there who can help.
  • romigromig Posts: 11
    I am talking about by 1911 Colt 45, my l960s BMW motorcycle, and my Red ECHO sedan.They are truly works of Art. Even when I dont use all three I appreciate just looking at them..My Toyota dealer has no ECHOs in stock but they still get requests for them..Go to a dealer that has a scion, they will let you drive them.. The salesmen get a demonstration credit and if he sell then he gets a 200 dollar commision.. I dont like Scion a but after awhile Scion b grows on you. I wonder how Scion b holds up with sidewinds, is it just another Fad car? I am wondering how long the car discussions on the ECHO will continue. It isn"t dead yet..
  • Still love my Black 2 door Echo 5 speed.It's the best small car on the road and it's a Toyota so what more could you ask for .I know it could have more bell's and toy's on it but i still think it's a cute car .
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Imagine that: a car you drive simply because you like to drive it and not because it has power outside mirrors, PL,PW etc etc.
      Merry Christmas everyone! This is my ECHO's fourth Christmas.
  • By now thre must be somebody? Any problems/
    Thanks,
    Don Gillespie
  • sfechosfecho Posts: 26
    Babyboomer... message 4162-
    I checked my records about when I got my door locks fixed under warranty and here are the details:
    San Francisco Toyota
    415-674-0640
    Service Advisor- David Chu
    Invoice TOCB21588
    1/29/03
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