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Toyota Echo

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  • I purchased my silver Echo nine days ago, I just filled up and my gas economy was a little over 35 MPG, for mostly town driving. Thus far I have been pleased with it. It has four doors, a/c, p/s, cruise control, mats, side moldings and the extra mile option. It listed for $12,900. I paid $11,275. Invoice was $11,900. I believe that I received a fair deal from the dealer, but had to make several visits to the dealer over a two week period of time. I live in the Oklahoma City area.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    kneisl1: Yeah, I've seen it once. If a driver isn't noticing a low fuel gauge, why does Toyota think that this same driver will notice a little LCD icon? Common sense tells me that you need an attention-getting colored light for that purpose.

    The accident scene sounded gruesome -- a tragedy for the families involved. I wonder what the accident investigation will conclude about the cause of the accident.

    The Matrix seems to be a hit around Houston. I've seen several on the streets already. In contrast, it only seems only recently that the ECHO has been taken off my "rare sighting" list. While I'm sure that Toyota doesn't mind selling to the mature market (they tend to have money after all), I think that they are concerned about becoming what Buick or Lincoln was not too long ago -- a brand associated too much with a mature image.
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    If I was to be in the market for another car (if the ECHO wasnt available) I would def look into the Matrix, but oddly I have yet to see one on the road, Im from a city of 350,000 so I find that quite strange. And to the discussion of the age group of ECHO owners, I was 25 (year and a half ago) when I purchased my ECHO and I love the styling more so than the Focus or Civic.
  • photoboyphotoboy Posts: 18
    I noticed the gas low icon the very first time it came on and every time since. It seems to give more than enough fair warning as I still have about 1 gallon or more left in the tank.
    It's a crying shame if the Echo goes the way of the Paseo. I love my Echo, but the vehicle wasn't marketed to my age group (53) and maybe it should have been. I have had several people ask about it, both young and old. I think Toyota needs to push its attributes such as easy entry and exit, huge trunk, great gas mileage, uniqueness (center dash, which, by the way, I find a great safety feature!) and maybe fix a couple of things like non-remote mirrors.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Sorry I haven't been posting lately, but I am back to working twelve hour days and adding in eight hours for sleeping, I don't have a lot of free time anymore.

    I have over 32,000 miles on my 2001 Echo and he is still running great and still getting great fuel mileage numbers.

    This last part is great since gas is $1.32 a gallon around here and projected to go even higher soon.

    Hey Grn, do you know what happened to the Echo board over on Yahoo? I tried going there after an extended time away and Yahoo tells me there is no such club.

    Happy Echoing all.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Hey don't you know, it is not a safety feature, but rather because Toyota wanted to save money on making left and right hand drives. This must be true because the editors of Edmunds says so. ; )

    I wonder how Edmunds is reacting to the new Saturn Ion which also has a center mounted instrument cluster.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I think the idea the mirrors are not big enough might come from not adjusting them properly. When I first got my Echo I adjusted them like I always had been doing until I read an article in AMI Autoworld, I believe, and I saw that I was not adjusting them properly. There should be very little overlap between what you see in the inside rear view mirror and the outside mirrors. Try it and you will see the mirrors are big enough.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    The BMW Mini Cooper has it.....so you know that according to Edmunds, it must be a stylish effect.
  • Majorthom,
    Apparently Yahoo recently changed their different "clubs" into "groups"- I don't remember the reason, but I had been a member of 2 clubs, one the echo club, and I also had difficulty accessing them, once they became groups.
    This past weekend, while doing laundry, some jerk keyed my Echo- big criss crosses on the hood, and a straight line down the driver's side and across the trunk. Guess I'll have to do some research on the repairs and maintenance board to see how to handle the scratches. The ones on the hood are the worst, because they are so "decorative" and are deep, down to black. I am especially annoyed since I am so careful to park far away from other cars, and walk the extra distance!
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That really does suck about your car. I don't know what to tell you about fixing them, but I do know what will NOT work. I tried that GS-27 scratch remover stuff, as well as some other scratch remover stuff from the auto parts store (don't remember the name of it), and it did NOT work. The only thing that's going to cover really deep scratches will be touch-up paint from the dealer, or having the car repainted.
  • dsgechodsgecho Posts: 89
    3 things I noticed about echo mirrors when I had one:
    1. Compared to a Prius, [same general size and shape] the mirrors are slightly smaller. But that smaller difference is significant.
    2. The echo mirrors would sag or drop from their original adjustment over time. Readjustment and tightening the screws for this purpose helped a lot.
    3. The best thing that helped was placement of one of those $1-$2 convex mirrors in the outside corner on the driver's side and I think on the pasenger side also. This eliminated a dangerous blind spot and gave better overall visibility. Mirror problems went away basically after this.
    Hope that helps some.
    Don
    Nashville TN
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Did you get rid of your Echo or something? I thought you still had one?

    I had rented an Echo for one day, and I found the mirrors were too small for safe merging into traffic. I am used to my Jetta though, and its mirrors are pretty big and also blue tinted to reduce glare of headlights from behind. Although that was not a problem in the Echo, because I drove it during all daylight.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I suppose it depends on wether or not you have the "remote" mirrors or the standard ones. The upgrade ones are large and rectangular and don't move once adjusted. They also fold in to avoid damage from impact.
    I have the rectangular convex lenses mounted on them as they afford a view across lanes and down to the rear tire. The round ones tend to give a fish-eye view that's hard to judge position. I got started using those when riding motorcycles and have never had to look back to compensate for blindspots.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    You want to talk small mirrors. You should rent a Ford Escort. That thing had really small outside mirrors.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I remember those small Escort mirrors, because that was one of the company cars I used to have,

    The mirrors were small (to me, anyway) on the rental Echo I had. And it did have the remote mirrors.
  • podmepodme Posts: 3
    You did very good with that price ($11275).
    But what is your total price with fees & taxes (TTL) ?
    With the options that you've given, shouldn't the invoice should be $12237 ?
    With the $1000 off instant rebate savings, it'll be $11237 ?
  • The MSRP for the four door, manual, A/C, P/S, mats, side molding, cruise was $12,900. Part of that price was a regional option called the extra mile opt. It retailed at $475 - dealer cost $241. The dealer's invoice was $11,900. I paid $11,275. I may not have listed all of the options on my first post. Here in Oklahoma, tags are purchased after the fact. The tag will cost about $80. The sales tax is about 4% or $500. In this area, I wasn't aware of the $1000 off instant rebate. Is the rebate off retail or invoice? I checked and didn't find it available in this area. If I missed something, I would like to be enlightened. Anyway, thanks for the response.
  • I'm the proud owner of a 4-door silver 2000 Toyota Echo. We did a lot of highway driving, and we're almost at the 60,000 km (37,5000 mile) point at which our "bumper-to-bumper" warranty runs out. We're trying to decide if the extended warranty is worth it.

    Has anyone had any mechanical failures with the 2000 Echo; if you have, was it standard/automatic, and how many miles were on it?

    Thanks,
    Ryan
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I finally went and ordered 15" rims and tires for my Echo. I will be getting 15x 6.5 rims w/ Yokohama yk420 205/50r-15's. The Yokohama's are supposed to have a 60k warranty.
    I'll let you all know how the mpg and handling are once they're on.
    Regarding extended warranties...I think overall it's a waste of money as at 37k miles, if something was defective it sure would've made itself known by now. Unless the warranty covers items needing replacement due to wear and tear I would pass. I spent $1700 on my last car's extended warranty but it covered the a/c compressor for wear and tear as well as the cooling system.
    Maybe the Echo's mirrors seem small due to the large greenhouse...they are about the same as all other Toyota cars in size.
    Isn't it great that the only thing we're talking about now is the size of the mirrors as opposed to recalls and defects? :D
  • podmepodme Posts: 3
    Sorry Larrykingry, but you still have not totaled up your total price (w/ tax, fees, etc.).
    What I mean is your "total on paper" with taxes and fees. What is it ?
    Are you saying that your total is
    $11275
    + 50
    + 500
    -------
    $11825 (your total w/ tax & fees ?)

    A typical Echo at the invoice of $12237 (or $11237 w/ $1000 cash rebate applied) should come with the following options (4dr, 5spd):
    - Air Conditioning
    - All Weather Guard Package
    - Auto Idling Control
    - Quarter Stone Protector
    - Radiator Cover
    - Sports Body Cladding
    - Power Steering

    I didn't know that Echos come with cruise ?
    I checked and they don't have it as an option.
    Is yours the 2003 Echo ?
    Yes, there was a $1000 instant cash rebate on 2002 Echos about a month or two ago on top of the negotiated invoice price.
    I think that with the MSPR price that you've listed as $11900, is with the $1000 cash rebate applied.

    With gas mileage : I'm currently getting an average of 44 MPG (80% city & 20% highway). I'd notice that by adding a "gas treatment" bottle to a full tank of gas has increased my MPG by an extra 4 MPG.
    I've just changed the oil and oil filter myself (two days ago) and it I may get higher than 44 MPG (probably a couple extra MPG above 44 MPG).
    I will post it in the next few days.
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