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Toyota Echo

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  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    W\ere you able to find the NY Times article? Thats where my information came from.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I looked up the JD Power study, as you suggested I do. I'd rather look at the raw data than someone's interpretation of it.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    What have you heard about the economic health of these Korean car companies? In the past Ive heard they are tetering on the verge on bankruptcy. Or that GM was trying to buy them out. I know Toyota is doing pretty good these days.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Well, that's probably fodder for a whole different board (and has been actually), but as we know GM has control of Daewoo and has imported several models into the U.S. and other countries under various nameplates. Hyundai has control of Kia and is actually doing pretty well right now, growing at a good pace, #7 largest automaker in the world (about half the units per year of Toyota), but must start pumping more money into R&D (which they plan to do). Toyota of course is doing very well, although their decisions about which certain small cars to sell in the U.S. are highly suspect, right? ;-)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    No they are only following their surveys which indicate what American consumers will buy. Its the judgement of American consumers (not buying fuel efficient cars) which is suspect.
  • tmcc1tmcc1 Posts: 13
    My 2001 Echo has 157000 Km (97500) miles and zero problems.
    Great car.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    Great! I miss the days when I commuted to work 50 miles each way and so could own a vehicle with 100,000 miles on it in just two or three years. Now its only 6.5 miles to work. Remember to check the boots on your drive axles every oil change!
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    I did change the spark plugs today, finally. Took about 45 minutes at a careful pace, thanks for your detailed instructions, kneisl. Out came the Iridium Denso plugs and I put in AutoLite double platinum plugs, which is what Napa recommended. The Echo runs nicely on a test drive so I must have been reasonably successful. 108K miles, that is a long time for the original plugs. They look ok, but I notice that the electrode is a very small cone coming to a sharp point. Quite different from the new ones which have a more thick and squat electrode. Only point that left me with concern is that when I pulled the connections off the old plugs, took some wiggling and pulling. But when I replaced them on the new plugs they just slid down with no resistance. Left me unsure about the connection, but I guess that was unnecessary concern. I also changed the oil once more, and checked that the boots are just fine. Plenty coolant still. Wonder if I should look for a new battery or just keep with the original one as long as it performs ok. One further item, I notice the clutch adhesion point is getting rather close to the floor, probably there is an adjustment I can have done.
  • Hey everybody,
        I have an '00 Echo that I bought brand new. It has 29900 miles on it. For the last few months i've been having a problem with the acceleration after the car hasn't been started for a period of around 13-15 hours or more. What happens is every morning as i exit the driveway, no matter how hard i press on the accelerator i get only idleing speed for about 3-4 seconds. From then on for the rest of the day I never have a problem. It started happening a couple months ago, but it didn't happen consistently every morning, so i thought if i took it to the dealership they wouldn't be able to reproduce it. But now it is happening consistently, any time the car has been left for a period of at least 13-15 hours without starting. It happens in all kinds of whether, very hot and very cold. It happens whether or not i turn the radio on at the start. What the heck could the problem be? Fortunately i have an extended warranty (5 year) so it will hopefully be covered. But i just wanted opinions as to what the problem might be just because i am curious. Thanks for any responses.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    The clutch is hydralically operated so there is no adjustment. It IS possible to bleed the clutch cylindar...you can see it right behind the radiator with the bleeder bolt on it (push on the clutch and have somone watch to see what moves) That should be your first move. Its quite possible that the nmechanical components of the clutch are worn and that is whats causing the problem.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    You probably have a bad sensor someplace in the system. It might even be a loose wire. I think what is happening is that once the sensor becomes warm, its working normally and the engine runs fine. We often troubleshoot electrical components with a can of fast freeze. You spray the suspected component with fast freeze and see if it makes it screw up. As long as the engine runs ok when warm, you might consider leaving well enough alone. If you bring it to the dealer, they will hook up a probe to a socket and read the error codes on the computer. In theory that will tell the mechanic which gizmo is bad and he'll replace it and the car will run fine. It might take 10 minutes. In theory. If you get a good machanic this is what will happen. If you dont, youll be going back to the dealer again and again while they replace sensor after sensor. You see, the cars have gotten so complicated the mechanics arent all up to speed and even if they are they often get stumped. You can by a thing called a scan tool (OBD II) and hook it up to the socket yourself and read the error codes. They cost about $100 dollars. I have the repair manual and you can tell me the error code and Ill look it up and tell you where the sensor is so you can replace it. If you want to. ake it to the dealer and let them play with it. Welcome to the Space Age!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    Tell us what happens! Inquiring minds want to know!
  • Hey kneisl1,
        I took it to the dealer today and left it for them to try out in the morning. Should be interesting to see if they can find the problem or not. They'll call me and let me know what's going on, and i'll post here whatever i find out. I'll bet your right that it's a sensor somewhere... or something just takes awhile to charge... it's weird because it happens in all weather conditions. Anyways thanks for the reply and i'll keep posting updates.
  • Hello,
      I recently had the same problem. Unfortunately my ECHO has 113000 miles on it and it wasn't covered under warranty and cost me $95 to find out it was just a dirty MAF sensor. The dealer cleaned it and my ECHO has been great ever since!:)
  • Are you serious? That would be sweet if that's all it is! The dealer called me today to tell me that they couldn't reproduce it... i told them to hold on to it one more day and surely they will reproduce the problem in the morning. But maybe i could help them out a little and suggest that it could be a dirty MAF. Thanks for the info!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    What is the MAF sensor and where does one find it?
  • I didn't know what a MAF was either, so i searched for it online. Here's one link:
    http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h34.pdf

    MAF stands for Mass Air Flow sensor. As far as where it is on the Echo, i'm not sure since the dealer has my echo now, but it is probably right around the air filter somewhere. It makes since that a Dirty Maf could be my problem because i just changed the air filter to a K&N. I did some research and i guess the K&N is known to have oil come off it that will get on the MAF, and then dirt gets stuck to the oily MAF which causes bogus readings. The dealer thinks it's the transmision slipping, so they want to change the trans. fluid and check it out tommorow. If there is still a problem tommorow i'm just going to tell them to clean off the MAF for me since that is probably what it is. Based on my research a dirty MAF probably won't cause an error code either.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    K&N filters are made of cotton. They improve airflow, however they are only 95% efficient at collecting dirt. The paper element air filter the dealer sells is 99% efficient. Actually, the Toyota air filter is three layers of different material and is said to be VERY good. So yes its very posssible your K&N airfilter crudded up your MAF. I always recommend people to NOT buy K&N air filters for their vehicles for this reason. But its hard to convince them.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    My girlfriend has an '00 with very similar mileage. She was experiencing similar lag in the morning. She put off addressing this problem for a long time, which I think may have made it worse; later the CEL was triggered. She eventually had the air flow meter (Is that the same as an MAF sensor?) replaced and a clogged injector cleaned out. I hope your fix costs less than the $400 it cost her at the dealership.
  • Well i now have my echo, and i have yet to experience the problem any more. The mechanic thought that the transmission was slipping some while driving, and when looking at the fluid apparently he couldn't identify if it was type IV ATF or not. So he suggested replacement, and i ok'd it. Now the car shifts more smoothly... very nice! I didn't notice how the shifting had slowly degraded over time... or maybe i did and just thought it was normal wear and tear. But when i thought about it it made sense. The dealer reminded me that i needed to make sure nobody put in anything but Type IV fluid. I had never had a trasmission fluid change before, but it is very possible that when i had gone in for oil change, someone topped off my transmission fluid with the wrong kind. I never before explicitly said put in Type IV, because i just hadn't thought to. But i won't forget now!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    Glad to hear it worked out and you are happy. Interesting post and gives us something to think about if we have the same problem!
  • romigromig Posts: 11
    I drove from PA to Florida 2200 miles round trip and the Echo worked like a dream. I hit 100 mph a few times and it would have went over but I thought I might strain the Engine.. I was in a speed trap doing 90 in a 70 mph zone I looked throughh my rear view mirror and saw a patrol car pull out I thought he was chasing me but for some reason he backed off or chased someone else.. While doing 90 a white Echo passed me flying. I also seen a green Echo which I never seen before
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    Id like to see a Hyundai top that!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    According to Car magazine (just happended to buy one today), top speed of the Accent is 118, and 128 for the Elantra. They don't have the ECHO in that mag (UK publication), but the Yaris with the 1.5L engine is rated at 118 mph.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    No I want to see someone in a Hyundai actually GO that fast, not READ about it in a magazine. I have been to 106 in my ECHO getting around a left lane blocker on the NJTP who sped up whenever anyone tried to pass him. He was driving a Saab which several others tried to pass but couldnt hang with him. I just left my foot on the floor until I passed him. When I looked at the speedo it read 106. It didnt feel terribly uncomfortable either.
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    Kneisl, I have never taken my Echo up to 100, I am supposing you are in 4th gear, not 5th, or are you driving an automatic. Also, there is supposed to be some limiting device on speed, isnt there? What does it do, and what does one experience if it kicks in? Also, what is the experience if the rev limiter kicks in at 6300 or wherever it is supposed to appear?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    I have a manual transmission and I was in fifth gear. I dont know anything about a limiter or how it works. If you ask me if there IS a limiter, it shouldnt let you drive the car over 100 mph. I also have no idea how fast an ECHO revs at redline but 6300 sounds about right. Normally I never exceed 45 mph. But by all means if you can find a secure place, take the ECHO to the ton. With all the talk about how lousy the suspension is, I think youll be suprised at how much control there is.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Could be a probelm in seeing a Hyundai dust an ECHO: maybe Hyundai drivers aren't the scofflaws that ECHO drivers are. :-P
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    Yeah we're a pretty wild bunch all right.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,686
    According to an article in the NY Times, Toyota is discontimueing the Celica and MR2. No mention is made of the ECHO being discontinued, although its getting harder to find new ones for sale. They also repeat what I have read elsewhere that the Scions are on the bottom of the JD Power list of initial quality. However, they say its not necessarily because of DEFECTS, people just arent happy with the design of the car or something. They also report problems selling the Scion because only 2/3 of Toyota dealerships have signed up to sell the car. The car appears to be unwanted at some dealers because it costs nearly half of more expensive Toyotas like the trucks and Camrys. The dealers would rather sell them and make more money. I suspect that is the same thing that happened to the ECHO.
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