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Toyota Echo

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  • bryanwbryanw Posts: 12
    I talked to the service manager of the Toyota dealership where my car was bought and he tells me that the Echo has an auxiliary electric heater operated through a relay from a separate winding on the alternator. This is to discourage people from idling their engine while waiting for heat to come. Apparently some European countries have strict time limits on how long you can idle a car.
  • rossm2rossm2 Posts: 96
    Aha! Thanks for the information. I hadn't gotten around to checking with the local dealer yet. That will be yet another great advantage for me as I park outside and typically do short drives in the morning. Effect defogging is important to me.

    Ross
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Maybe this is put on Canadian cars.
  • ldlopezldlopez Posts: 13
    Thanks bryanw, much appreciated.
    I'm always of two minds.
    One want's somehthing that gets
    good MPG the other is actually
    getting home. I drive a Tacoma
    4x4 to work and it seems to get
    me home. Years ago I moved to
    rural NH and learned to drive
    in an appropriate manner in
    a Toyota Corolla FX '87. Sadly
    it was lacking in power and I often
    couldn't get it up my driveway.
    A VW TDI '99 had the same fate.
    The FX went to my brother and the VW
    was sold because although it got a
    solid 45 MPG it was would was always in
    the shop.

    With gas prices at $2 I'm paying
    something like $200/month !!!!

    I have a '93 Totota & a '00 Tacoma now.
    I'm thinking of replacing the '00 with
    an Echo, and use the '93 to plow.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Idlopez maybe you need a moped! Im not sure even an ECHO will help!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    This electric heater... Im wondering...is there an indicator light on the dash to tell when its working? Is there switch to turn it on and off? If there is no switch, what happens in summer?
  • babyboomerbabyboomer Posts: 205
    Some have posted that Echos are hard to find at dealerships and that the lack of sales could mean that the Echo would be discontinued. Yet somewhere, and I can't remember where, I thought I read that a redesign is due for the 2006 model. If true, the demise of the Echo seems premature. Does Toyota ever officially comment on the future production of their models?
  • simonizesimonize Posts: 3
    I have a 2000 Echo that has been a dream to drive and am very happy with it. I have 76 miles on it and about 2 months ago I get the check engine light. I take it to a toyota service center in New York and they check it out and tell me they find nothing wrong. They reset the sensor and I drive 10 mins and it's back on. They check it out again and say could be a bad sensor but they have to back order it. Ok. I was moving to North Carolina and I take it in to get it checked out and they say the same thing except this time it was more like could be a lot of different things> I mention the sensor thing and they say it could be but could be other things too depending on what I want to spend to be checked out. They reset the sensor again as they find nothing wrong. 10 minutes after I leave it goes off again. Anyone every heard of this?
  • simonizesimonize Posts: 3
    The error code was P0125.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    Consumer Reports' April 2005 issue noted that an ECHO redesign is due for 2006.
  • simonizesimonize Posts: 3
    I have a 2000 Echo that has been a dream to drive and am very happy with it. I have 76,000 miles on it and about 2 months ago I get the check engine light. I take it to a toyota service center in New York and they check it out and tell me they find nothing wrong. They reset the sensor and I drive 10 mins and it's back on. They check it out again and say could be a bad sensor but they have to back order it. Ok. I was moving to North Carolina and I take it in to get it checked out and they say the same thing except this time it was more like could be a lot of different things> I mention the sensor thing and they say it could be but could be other things too depending on what I want to spend to be checked out. They reset the sensor again as they find nothing wrong. 10 minutes after I leave it goes off again. Error code is P0125. Anyone every heard of this?
  • bryanwbryanw Posts: 12
    The window sheet that was on my 2005 Echo listed a cold weather package. Maybe this includes the electric heater.
    Does anyone else have an auto transmission shifter that is stiff to move into reverse especially on cold mornings? I'm a big guy with muscles and it's tough to move some mornings-my wife needs two hands to shift it. The dealer says there is nothing to lubricate on the shift mechanism and of couse when they tried it the car was partly warmed up.
  • tsnooktsnook Posts: 18
    I bought a K&N Air Filter and opened up the hood to switch out the old one but don't know where to start. Do you have to unclip some of the air tubes?

    Also, should I even have bought a K&N. I see a lot of reviews supporting it and a few that don't.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    The answer depends on why you bought it. In just about any modern engine, the biggest restriction to airflow isn't the filter, assuming it's not clogged, of course. Paper filters are designed with lots of pleats for an large cross-section for airflow.

    Moat of the time when you're driving, the bottleneck is the throttle plate. At full throttle, the biggest restriction ends up being the intake piping itself. On the ECHO, I think it makes at least 2 turns on the way to the engine. So don't be surprised if you don't see any performance or fuel economy improvement; the ECHO is already well-tuned for that.

    It can be nice to have a re-usable air filter though, since the paper filters aren't that cheap (not as cheap as I remember them being for other cars!)

    As for installing the air filter, look at this posting I made awhile back:

    slugline, "Toyota Echo (Sedans Board)" #2817, 11 Feb 2002 1:18 am
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I wouldnt resommend a K&N filter for your ECHO. By their own admission, their filter is 95% efficient, whereas the one Toyota sells is 99% efficient. That can add up to a lot of debris getting into the engine. I doubt very much if you could tell the difference between an ECHO with the stock filter and the one K&N sells in a blind test.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I paid $12 for the filter at Toyota I recently installed. A FRAM filter was $10. Not much difference and the Toyata filter lasts 30,000 miles whereas FRAm recommends you change theis every 12k miles.
  • bach3bach3 Posts: 1
    If you had more money, what car would you buy...or would you stick to Echo?
  • reba05reba05 Posts: 36
    I very much like my Echo and I thought long and hard about what to purchase. Although if I would've had a few more bucks, I would say a Corolla. This is only because I feel the Corolla is sturdier than the Echo - I do feel the crosswind quite a bit on the freeway, but I am still impressed by the gas mileage - even in cold MN weather, I got 35 miles/gallon with my last tank. Can't wait until it gets warmer to see what it will really get!

    But I'll have to see in a year or 2 how the Echo is doing before making a determination on longevity.
  • tsnooktsnook Posts: 18
    Thanks for the link to the directions. I'll make sure to tell of the MPG/Power results - if there are any.
  • pesterkidpesterkid Posts: 17
    Hello,
    We bought a 2003 2dr toyota echo.
    Fell in love with it the first time I saw it.
    It has power nothing, but I dont care.(not even power steering!)
    The thing is, friends with SUVs and other big cars have been scaring me over and over about echo being small and how I can be in danger on the road!
    I will be using the car in New Jersey..
    Any NJ echo owners, feel free to write back with your experiences.
    Looking forward to hearing from you.
    Thanks much.
  • zhihuihzhihuih Posts: 1
    i bought got a 2001 Echo four years ago and i had put 116K miles on it. The horn was broken 6 months after I bought the car and one got replaced by Toyota under the warranty. The replaced one was broken again and got replaced last year. no other major problems yet. On average, i got 40 mpg.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    If you have an ECHO without Power steering that would be very rare. I looked all over for one of those. Where did you get it?
    Those people threatening you about how small your ECHO is are not your friends.
  • pesterkidpesterkid Posts: 17
    Hey there,
    Thanks for writing back.
    The ECHO we bought was from a used car delaer, he said it was ordered with no power steering by the previous owner...
    It has about 34000 miles on it...
    Will it be difficult to drive one without power steering?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I dont think it will be difficult at all. In fact, you should get better gas mileage over an ECHO with powersteering. I was told it was impossible to order an ECHO without power steering when I bought mine. Lying swine!
  • pesterkidpesterkid Posts: 17
    Thank you so very much, that makes me feel a lot better!
    And those who said ECHO's are not good dont get a joyride in my car!!
  • reba05reba05 Posts: 36
    Have you seen the reports on the news recently about vehicle safety?? A number of SUV's were listed as being highly unsafe. Size does not always matter...
    The Kia Rio was the only small car listed, but that's a Kia.
    There were a number of Toyota vehicles on the safe list so I trust the brand to be safe across the board.
    Obviously if the ECHO were up against a Semi I'd be worried but against other vehicles I'm not.
  • reba05reba05 Posts: 36
    The first ECHO I test-drove was without power steering and I noticed it more than I thought. If you don't need to parallel park alot, then go for it, but I would hate the hassle.
    This was the only used ECHO I found to not have power steering out of about 20 listings.
  • echorickechorick Posts: 27
    Looking at this old message(2772) about tires I was wondering how your final experience was with the 185/60 tires. I have a 2000 ECHO 2 door, manual and have 78500 miles on it. I bought it used with 7,700 miles and am thinking about getting new tires. The car had new tires (why I don't know) when I bought it. However, I still have 5/32(front) and 6/32(rear) tread. How is that for amazing tire life! I do about 60 miles a day in LA area freeway/city miles and usually get about 41-42 mpg.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I advise AGAINST changing to a larger size of tire on the ECHO. Your mileage is probably going to drop and the handling wont be as nimble. I drove a Mercedes 300 Turbo Diesel the other day a car I have a lot of experience with. It handled like [non-permissible content removed]. I was thinking "What is wrong with this car?" Later I found out the owner had put on larger and wider tires.
    Also, dont count on the ECHO to help you in a crash. Youre kidding yourself if you think its going to protect you like a larger car. You need to avoid an accident in the first place.
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