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Toyota Echo



  • jlvjlv Posts: 14
    Recently saw a newsclip about the Toyota Ist (pronounced "east"). The clip stated the Ist will be in the U.S. in 2-3 years. Is this the replacement for the Echo? Does anyone have any info about this?
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I think that Toyota is going to keep ECHO around until SCION (Why all the caps?) goes nationwide where the Ist will be in its lineup. By then, the ECHO will have had its 5 year model cycle and then will get the boot. After that, Corolla should be Toyota's lowest offering with SCION filling in below that.
  • mdrewmdrew Posts: 32
    At first I was going to get a 2-door 'cause I don't drive great numbers of people around, but the 2 door Echo looked sort of chopped off or something and the 4 door looked a lot better for some reason. Now I like getting into the back seat easily (where I pile lots of stuff) and for the occasional times when I have multiple passengers. Plus I wanted some options (ac, auto) and like people say, the 2 doors tend to be more stripped down.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    The two door ECHO is the nearest thing to a handicapped vehicle you can buy. It SO easy getting into and out of with my bad back. Contrast that with the contortions needed to get into our Honda Accord Wagon and Saturn SL 1 sedan. I HAVE come up with a method for getting into these vehicles which is less traumatic. Open the door all the way and stand with your back to the seat. Sit down and swing your legs around. Much easier. With the ECHO however, no problem at all, just open the door and get in! Ahhhh!
    Last night (I work nights) we were all standing around looking at a fearsome rain and thunder storm. It was really coming down in buckets for an hour or so. Leaving work as I approached my ECHO, my heart sank. I had left the passanger window wide open! I ruin my cars by doing that and they rust out while everything else just keeps humming along. With dread I opened the door expecting a flood of water to come out. No water! Well, I thought, when I drive forward Ill hear that sickening sound of water sloshing back and forth like a tide. (a sound I know well) No tide! Hardly any water at all got in: the right side of the passanger seat (and the door is full of water Im sure) just got a little damp. Thank God I dont have power windows! This car is lucky for me.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I just finished my first month of ownership, and ran up 3,000 miles, on my 2002 2 door automatic Echo. So far, no problems, 36.5 mpg.

    Changes to date: put on 195/60/14 Bridgestone RE950 tires - this improved freeway handling and reduced susceptibility to crosswinds. Steering is a little crisper. Braking is great.

    Memorable trips: Yosemite. The trunk holds a lot!

    Things I most have to get used to: how to use the throttle position to control upshifts and downshifts on the automatic. My former Focus ZX3 automatic would nimbly downshift, but got terrible gas mileage. The Echo is willing to do a one stage downshift (probably out of torque converter lockup) but then upshifts again too quickly, unless I depress the throttle a little to keep it "eager". If I want a lot of get up and go, I have to push the throttle down a lot, but then the engine gets pretty busy (it performs well) and makes me worry I am impairing my gas mileage. Anyway, this is an "electronically" controlled tranny and you can use the pedal/throttle position to control shifts, and either get better fuel economy or better performance. Fellow auto owners know what I mean.

    So far, three oil changes - at 67 miles to replace "stock" oil with full synthetic, at 1500 to flush out any break-in by products (small fiings etc.) and at 3,000 miles to get on a 3,000 mile cycle. From here on out it will be full synthetic every 3,000 miles.

    I received my K&N air filter but will wait until 10,000 miles to put it in - I figure the stock air filter is worth 30,000 miles if you are a casual driver, but begins to degrade at 10,000 miles (reduced air flow) if you are a performance driver. The K&N should be good for 30,000 miles, and at $40 mail order (delivered) is comparable to replacing $14 paper filters every 10,000 miles. I won't be re-oiling the K&N because I have heard if you underoil, it won't work properly, and if you overoil, the oil can blow onto the hotwire airmass sensor and mess up the fuel injection controls.

    I am trying to find out about the "in development" Eichbach springs to improve the "lean factor" and/or about the TRD fulll suspension kit. There is nothing on the TRD parts online, so I may have to call a dealer.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    The complaints about a well optioned Echo not being as good of a value as a Corolla is only true if the Echo and the Corolla have the same options at the same price.

    As for me, even if that had been true, I would still have chosen the Echo over the Corolla.


    I like the looks of the Echo more. I like the center mounted speedo. And I like the numerous storage spaces available in the Echo.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I don't really like the looks of the new Corolla, myself. I think the wheels are way too small looking for its body shape or something.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I still like the looks of my Echo to the looks of the 2003 Corolla, but you need to know that my post was about the looks of the 2001 Echo as opposed to the looks of the 2001 Corolla (the old body style).
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Just got back from vacation and saw lots of ECHO's in Honolulu. There wasn't any around that had cladding/spoiler like mine and most were white or silver with just the dealer added b/s moulding.
    I ended up driving an Escort rental and missed my ECHO the entire trip!
    Regarding 2dr vs 4dr: I agree with the 4dr's being sold relatively loaded compared to the usual stripper 2dr. 4dr's with 5spd is even harder to find in the Los Angeles area which is why I snapped mine up as soon as I came across it.
    I love it more with time and it's very true what they say about things you instantly like becoming tiresome over time and things you grow to like holding more appeal. The ECHO was not love at first sight but I wouldn't think of another car now!
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    on the Echo platform...
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    The oem air filter as installed on the ECHO is actually a pretty sophiscated device. It has three different filter materials of increasingly less porous elements as you go from outside to inside. I would think twice about substituting something else for it. Independent testing labs have shown that K&N filters pass more dirt than regular paper filters. Yes, they flow more air, but also more dirt.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    When I was in Honolulu last summer I too noticed a lot of ECHOs. Some of them had body cladding half way up along the doors. Did you notice any of that? At one point I saw 4 ECHOs at a stoplight. I can see why the ECHO is so popular in Hawaii. 1. Many of the residents of the islands are Japanese. 2. There isn't much space on that island for big cars. 3. It's expensive to live there so why waste so much money on a big car when you can't drive too far in it.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Kneisl1, did you tear one apart - the stock Toyota air filter I looked at was an unusual construction, with no "rubber gasket surround" just all paper, drop in. It also wasn't pleated, it had a sort of "wrapper" with some waves. On the surface it didn't look like it had a lot of pleats, but if you tore one apart and can confirm that the factory filter is, in fact, a sophisticated filter, please let me know.
  • deluxcardeluxcar Posts: 47
    Shopping for an Echo for my 21-year old daughter. The MSRP is $14,711, invoice $13,664, dealer offered $13,444 (including $400 college student discount but must finance through them.

    The Echo is optioned as follows:
    4-door Automatic
    Air conditioning
    3-in-1 audio system
    ABS brakes
    Digital clock
    Daytime running lights
    Floor mats

    My daughter loves the car but I believe the price is a bit high. Is this a good deal? Are there any special interest deals on the Echo? The offer is open until July 1.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    If your daughter likes the car and you don't feel it's extremely overpriced, let her have it because I can 99% guarantee she'll love it. Everyone in this forum who owns one loves it and wouldn't trade it for anything. We will all be sad to see the ECHO go when that time comes.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I didn't notice that sort of cladding on the ECHO's but most of the ones I saw were rentals. My aunt just bought a new Corolla but told me she really wanted an ECHO. I saw only 1 Prius while there as well...
    re: Air Filter
    The filter in my car (OEM) looks like a pillow with ridges. It is not your typical paper filter.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I'm surprised that the Prius doesn't sell well in Hawaii. It is the right size and has great mileage. People who live there could afford a $20,000 small car.
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    1) Can you get cruise control added by the dealer? Has anyone priced this?

    2) Does the Echo have a timing belt or timing chain?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The Echo has a timing chain. And you can have cruise control added from an aftermarket source for a lower price than the dealer will charge.
  • I think the reason why there aren't more Prius(es) in Hawaii is because we're a bit leary of the technology, it really hasn't been proven yet. Maybe in a few years more will be driven. As for the Echos, yes, there are alot of them. One lazy Saturday, looking out from my highrise condo, I counted over 50 in a 3-hr period. I know they were all Echos because I used my binoculars to confirm this. Usually the locally-owned ones sport Hawaiian seat covers.
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