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Toyota Echo

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  • hilmerhilmer Posts: 10
    Larry, glad to help.

    John :)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    NOT get a 60K mile service, as it turns out, but instead just got fresh oil and air filter. Odo is at 64K now. The dealer wants to do a "full cooling system flush" for $125, but I have a coupon for just a coolant dump and refill with fresh, for $49.95. Recommendations, anyone?

    I will replace the spark plugs myself, but I have no way to properly catch and recycle the coolant, so I would just as soon pay them to do that part.

    Startling fuel economy continues, by the way. Last single tank was at 41.5 mpg, I am finally getting the hang of this. It does make a difference whether I drive it like a little race car or keep the revs down for frugality's sake. ;-)

    Running average moves up slightly, just a hair below 40. :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    The owners manual doesnt say anything about $125 for a coolant flush. It just says to change the coolant. If you knew how easy it was to change the coolant yourself. All you have to do is open the radiator drain valve and all the coolant runs out. The dealer tried to scare my wife into thinking you need a special technique to refill it. Not so IME. I brought the old stuff to a gas station and they recycled it. $8.
    Others tings to do at 60k miles: check valve adjustment, change manual transmission oil, change sparkplugs, change air filter. I think it would be a good idea to look in the owners manual and check all the things they tell you to check at 60k miles. I would look the belts over but theyre probably OK.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Yeah, that's what I figured. I know how to change coolant, I just have nothing to catch it in, and for the $49.95 they also check the belts and hoses (I checked them when I bought the car, and they were fine) and refill any fluids that are low. I figure I buy a container and then pay someone to recycle the coolant, that's $20, whereas for $50 I can save a half hour of my time and they can fill up the windshield washer tank as well! OK, I'm lazy too. :-)

    I looked in the manual, and came to the same conclusion as you. Plugs (which I will do myself, as they want almost $100 to do that!!), air filter (already done), change manual trans oil and check valve adjustment (two items I am probably going to just get lazy on). Manual transmission oil can go much longer than the manufacturer-recommended intervals, based on my experience with Toyotas over the years, and as for checking valve adjustment, well sheesh. For the price of a valve adjustment on this thing, I might just let them go out of adjustment and hope for another 50K miles before one burned out. Not a super-smart attitude, I will be the first to say, but more a question of playing the odds and hoping to win! :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • reba05reba05 Posts: 36
    I have 2 issues. 2003 Echo with 51,500 miles. When I put the car in drive or am accelerating, there is a belt or something that is making noise, almost a scratchy/sickly sound. It gets better as the car warms up but its still there whenever I am accelerating. It doesn't happen when I touch the gas lightly or when I gun it, only at mid-acceleration. Has anyone else had this happen?? Would you know what belt I should check?

    Other issue is when looking for this problem, we noticed that the engine shifts about 2 inches when in park, and shifting between reverse, neutral, and drive. I know this is supposed to happen but the movement seems rather significant compared to our other vehicle. Is this typical for a Toyota or could it be a broken engine mount? Any advice is appreciated!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    That could certainly be a broken engine mount, although two inches of movement doesn't sound like a huge amount. The only way to know is to actually examine the mounts!

    As for the squeaky sound, if it doesn't make the sound when you gun it, it might not be the belts. I would suspect an idler in that case. Can you duplicate the sound with the car sitting still? If so, do it and listen for exactly where the sound is coming from.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    i think you will be OK to let the valve adjustment go. In a motorcycle with the same shim arrangement, they typically stay good for a LONG time. However CHECKING the clearances is VERY east about as hard as changing the spark plugs. All you have to do is RandR the valve cover (under the plastic cover!) ADJSUTING the clearance is something I would not want to do on the ECHO because you cant access the right side of the eengine very well.
  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    I finally read all 4923.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    How long did it take? :)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    with a handle like tundradude, has a big truck, surely, not an Echo?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    about a month.

    Even though my handle is tundradude, and my 02 Tundra (25,800 miles) pulls my RV around, my daily driver is a xB (12,400). I always like to see how the Echo is doing since my car is basically the xbox Echo.

    It appears that my xB should last a long long time with the reliability ratings of the ECHO. My 95 Corolla currently has 188,400 on it. I have owned 14 Toyotas and 1 Scion or 15 Toyotas, and I have always liked good gas mileage cars.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Good man! (people seem to like the ECHO, eh?)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Echo, but I don't like to capitalize all the letters - ECHO. I know that's the way Toyota spelled it, but it hurts my eyes! :-P

    I love the xA, and I like the looks of the new Yaris too. If I weren't such a stickler for having cruise control, one of those two would definitely be my next car. I just happened to get one of those Echos sold by SET that had port-installed cruise, otherwise I probably wouldn't have discovered the magic of this little car. Peppy, great fuel economy, comfortable inside, and genuinely light in a world of behemoths. Good stereo too. The xA's stereo is excellent - I just sampled it the other day.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Whats SET?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    is South East Toyota, or whatever it is actually called. You know, how the Toyotas in certain southern states are not sold by Toyota Motor Sales USA, but by the southeastern distributor instead? And people are always complaining because every Toyota down there comes straight from the dealer with all sorts of port-installed add-ons like pinstriping and silly stuff. But one thing they also do is put cruise in cars that don't otherwise offer it as an option, I guess. I know they do that with a lot of the Scions, and Scions wind up costing more down there. So anyway, it LOOKS like a Toyota cruise stalk, except it is on the wrong side of the steering column. Works well, though.

    I honestly don't understand why Toyota offers factory cruise on every single one of its models except all the cars with the 1.5L engine. Dumb.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    They do consumer surveys before they sell anything here in the US. Probably the majority of the people who took the survey said CC wasnt important enough to them in a small economy car.
    I agree the "loading up" of unwanted options is dispicible. So is the Toyota habit of lumping together packages of things not all of which you want and charging $2500 for it.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    would probably add $200 or less to the price of a power package. It's possible that price is the reason they don't even make it available, but I think maybe it's something else. I just can't imagine what.

    Word in the Yaris thread is they are arriving at dealers in about 2 weeks. I am curious to see what they have changed from my car.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rwgreenbergrwgreenberg Posts: 154
    Hi. I posted this a few weeks ago in the Problems area - but got no takers - so here goes.

    I have a 2003 Echo and love it. I have not gone back to dealer for anything since purchase - don't trust the dealership service at all (not that I have given them a chance, but have had numerous past bad experiences with dealership service departments). Anyway, I see that there is a recall to do some kind of corrosion protection routine. Has anyone had this done? Is this a waste of time? If you had it done, did the service department screw up anything in the process? Thanks for advice/feedback. Rich
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    It's free, it's recommended by Toyota, why not do it?

    Mine was not recalled, so I have not had any personal experience of it, sorry.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • scjfanscjfan Posts: 9
    I received the recall letter from Toyota last December for my 2003 Echo, and contacted two local Toyota dealers for the warranty work. The first one refused to honor the work saying the recall only apply to certain geographical regions not to all Echos. The second dealer set up an appointment and ordered the parts. The repair was done in the same day, and the dealer did a very good job. When I got the car back, the interior looked as though it had not been touched despite some minor scratches on the plastic trims. When I turned on the heat, I could smell an ordor but only for few days. I assumed it came from the glue. Overall I was very satisfied with this dealer's work. I guess it all depends on which dealer you go to. I would highly recommend you to have the repair done.

    Please go to the web site http://www.echodrivers.com/ and look under the General Discussions section. There is a thread at the top that deals with this recall with some interesting photos.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Just make sure this doesnt turn into an oppertunity for the dealer to "inspect" your car and "recommend" additional work (that you will PAY for) My dealer presented with a straight face an estimate for $8000 to my daughter for her 92 Camry worth $2000. She made the mistake of taking it there for an oil change.
  • scjfanscjfan Posts: 9
    The dealer did not harass me at all. I just got the repair invoice and the car key from the cashier without paying a penny, and my car was already waiting for me at the front door.

    I always maintain the car by myself. That was the first repair done at a dealer. I was kind of worry about my first dealer experience prior bringing in the car, but, it turned out well.

    Echo is inexpensive to buy, mechanically reliable, easy to maintain, comfortable to drive, and fuel efficient. :) Too bad it is no longer made. :(
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I hit a big green trash can the other day with the right outside rearview mirror. Just the glass was broken. When ordering a new glass on the internet (using the VIN number) they sent the wrong glass and I had to send it back. Going to the dealer last week they ALSO ordered the wrong piece even though they had the VIN. Apparently they used the correct number to order. Does anyone know a place I can get the CORRECT glass for my mirror? (or at least the entire outside right mirror assembly?) It is the non adjustable type.
  • nomoneynomoney Posts: 7
    go to car-part.com, type in the required info
    i.e. rearview mirror, several junkyards will
    respond with matches and prices for the part
    you need. the parts are from wrecks, so they
    are an exact match.
    good luck. hope you find your part.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Thanks that looks like a great site. I have bookmarked it for future use. (Im too old to go to junkyards pulling parts anymore) I DID manage to find an aftermarket sourse for a mirror in the meantime. They sent the drivers side instead of the passengers though. Sent it back. If I dont get the right one Ill try car-parts.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    my little car goes in for its first servicing this Friday. They are going to change the coolant, the oil, and the spark plugs, and do basic visual checks and fluid topping. This complements the new air filter it had when I picked it up, and is all it will get for now. The dealer tried to talk me into fresh brake fluid and transmission oil, but since the manual only says "inspect" them, not replace them, at 60K (the service that was omitted - I bought the car at 60K), I am going to skip them for now. Then I am going to drive it for a while with just oil changes and tire rotations until 90K, when it will get the full deal maintenance.

    I bought the car to be inexpensive to buy and maintain, so I am disinclined to do more than that for the first year. Plus, that will be the necessary work to maintain my emissions and "Toyota certified" powertrain warranty.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I agree thats probably all you need. Especially if the car is used mostly for long distance driving. But in the meantime before 90k you might look into doing these things yourself. Its not hard, it saves a lot of money (if Toyota does it) you know the work is done right, and its good therapy. (for you and the car!
    PS I dont think the guy who advised you to change the brake fluid and transmission oil was giving you a bum steer. If you saw what your brake/clytch fluid looked like you might agree! Auto trans doesnt need changing but the manaul would benefit.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Yeah, I know what they look like, I used to do all this stuff myself. These days it is just so hard to find the time, so I pay the dealership to do it. I use the car for freeway commuting, no stop-and-go and no really short trips. I figure in the worst case scenario the car has never had fresh manual trans oil or brake fluid, but I am betting both can make it to 90K from the factory. Manual transmissions are tough, and I have never changed manual transmissions oil more frequently than 60-75K miles. Brake fluid goes more by years than miles, and the car has only been in service for 3 1/2 years. The 90K will likely come up around 4 1/2 years. I might end up doing the 90K maintenance a bit early, we'll see.

    Checked the oil yesterday just to see if it used any before they change it, and in 5K miles it hasn't used a drop. Good news. I keep having to chuckle when I pull out that plastic dipstick. Whether the use of plastic was for weight or economizing reasons, do people agree with me that they went a bit far there?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    >hasnt used a drop (of oil)<

    You gotta love this car! I dont understand the plastic dipstick either. Its very hard to read especially with fresh oil. My wifes Camry has a metal dipstick with a white plastic oil dipper on the end. (so it can fall off into the oil when it gets older)
    One thing I liked about the ECHO the first time I saw it is that a lot of attention was paid to making the car LIGHT. (hard to understand how the plastic dipstick does that. Maybe it does) That is the key to fuel economy. The fact that the car does pretty good in crash tests tells me a lot of thought went into this car.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I appreciate IMMENSELY all the attention that was given to making light weight a priority in this car, it is part of the reason I bought it. And I suppose a plastic dipstick does weigh an ounce less than one made of metal, but again, maybe that was going a little too far! :D

    Alas, my chronic-car-buying eyes are already straying to the new Yaris. The liftback puts on less weight than I thought - about 200 pounds more than my 4-door Echo, part of which is the standard A/C, I am sure. That A/C probably makes the actual weight of my car more like 2120 pounds, so the weight increase is around 170 pounds. Same engine, the clock is now standard! The inside looks less plasticky and more stylish, the wheels are 15-inch if you get the package with the CD and rear wiper as I probably would, and there are cute alloys available as an option if you spend the extra $500. Oh how will I be able to resist this next year? I am still hoping to keep the Echo for 3 years, as I really like it. But a liftback at $12,3 as I have described it is very tempting. Longo Toyota in LA already has one equipped exactly that way. Most of what they ordered were sedans, of course. I might go for the sedan, simply because it has a tach where the 3-door doesn't, but it is an extra grand.

    Anyway, I am going to mile up the Echo with my typical driving patterns, so when it crosses the 100K mile threshold and the certified warranty expires, I might be out shopping...

    :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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