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Toyota Echo



  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    I have a lot of experience towing with a very small car, but unfortunately none with ECHO. I dont know of anything about ECHO which would prevent you towing with it, except with an auto transmission you risk overheating it on a hot, uphill day. If you have an automatic, Id be very carefull with it and not tow very often. Good luck!
  • tominvatominva Posts: 7
    Since I've had my Echo for about a month, and since a good friend of mine has had one for over two years, I've gotten accustomed to the interior of the car. So, last week when I drove in a new carpool for the first time, I was surprised by my colleagues' reactions upon getting into the car. All three of them were intrigued by the dashboard, thought the center speedometer pod was cool and retro, and were amazed at the amount of room that such a small vehicle had. "What kind of car is this, anyway?" one of them asked curiously. Just goes to show that even though the design is three years old, it's still unique enough to make an impression on people.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    It's true about people having favorable comments once they actually get in an ECHO. A lot of the negative comments are the result of the press taking the lead.
    Anytime a product that is avant garde, or very unusual, people that don't know what to think wait to see what the consensus is first. If the thought is put out that the car is 'ugly' then the masses tend to think it too. People, in general, tend to want to go with the crowd.
    It is a tested theory that anything 'instantly likeable' tends to grow tiresome rather quickly while things that aren't 'instantly likeable' tend to grow on you. I find this very true with the styling of the ECHO and have heard more than one person say that they wished they never listened to their friends that steered them to other cars. IMHO :)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Like mariage.
  • lynnann1lynnann1 Posts: 85
    It's funny when other drivers pull up next to me at a red light, look at my ECHO with a look on their faces that says to me "What kind of car is that?" I kind of just grin to myself. I've also had other drivers actually back up a little so they could look at the back of the car -- I guess to see make and model. Friends and co-workers that I've shown my car to are amazed at the roominess inside. There are not many ECHOs around where I live. I'll see 2 or 3 in one week and then go for a month without seeing another.

    Kneisl, I'm 47 and the ECHO is my second new car. My first was a 1989 Dodge Caravan (which we still have) so I could fit my family in one vehicle (4 children and a husband).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    4 children and a husband? My mom would just say 5 children.

    As a silent obsererver most of the time, I must say that this is a very nice board to visit periodically-no bashing, no name calling, no whining over insignificant crap (a la the Lexus RX 300 board, for you Toyota fans). Thanks.

    That said, there a few things I'd like to mention. Obviously, its agreed that Toyota missed the marketing boat with the ECHO. But, IMO, its for reasons other than the ones listed here. Personally, I feel that Toyota tried to go TOO FAR downmarket with this car, appealing to a High School audience, with their attempted quirkylooks, center dash pod, Roxy edition, etc. If they want to make a mark in the econocar segment, they should look to the just-about-to graduate college crowd. A more conservative exterior, a bigger engine, and less overall feel of trendiness. Has anyone really ever looked at the Elantra GT? THAT is the car the ECHO should have been- decent price, good power, great warranty, room, value, etc.

    Sure many of you will argue that the Corolla effectively offers those attibutes, and I think overall, the Corolla is the best car in the 14-18K sedan category. But if its youth Toyota wants, they WILL NEVER get it with any car by that name. It just can't happen, based on the values that everyone associates the Corolla with. Certainly, I'd buy one, but like coolguyky, I dont care about stigmas. Hell, I drive a Camry.

    My point- Toyota should target a slightly older demo for the next ECHO (say 21-26 yrs old), refine it a bit, give it an appealing interior, up the price a bit- it needs more equipment standard, and tone down the cartoony look. Make them all a 5 door HB design.

    Everything is 20/20 in hindsight, but I think there's no reason the ECHO should fail... it just needs a little guidance.

    PS- I think the SCION thing is going to bomb, and what are the changes for the ECHO for 03?
  • lynnann1lynnann1 Posts: 85
    :) I thought about saying 5 children, but I didn't think anyone would understand -- The children are all grown daughter #1 getting married in August. Daughter #2 and #1 son already married (daughters are twins btw 2nd born got married first). #2 Son has moved back home - trying to pay back college loans, etc, but my hubby is more of a kid than the kids ever were.

    BTW I LIKE the center instrument pod and so do most ECHO owners. In fact, while my car was in the shop, I drove a Saturn -- took me about 3 days to get used to the standard positioning of the instruments -- I like the center better -- it really takes less of a movement of the eyes to look at it.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    NPR had a piece on about the new Idrive in the BMW 745. When you want to turn the heat on you tell the car to do it. Theres no knob. But the reporter could not figure out how to work it and called in the BMW expert. It got extremely funny when the expert got foxed around by the computer. It foiled his every attempt to set the frequency of the radio by leading him all around the menu. It was also funny in that BMW went to this because it figures its what coming...but everyone else copies it because BMW did it. I hope ECHO never goes this way!
  • Pulling a trailer with your Echo will not be a problem.
    I own a Yaris Verso 1.3 that i use to pull a camping-trailer. The trailer's weight is aprox. 850 kilogram. I use a dealer installed hitch made by Brink. The 1.3 has enough power to keep up with traffic.
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    The ECHO needs a center console armrest!
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Can't you get one for it aftermarket? I could have sworn I saw a post about that in this room before? Am I nuts or what? :)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    What ever happend to Major Thom? I haven't seen a post from him in awhile.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Yes there is an aftermarket console you can order. Problem is I forgot the name of it! :) There was a poster that had pics of it installed as well.
    btw: The new Infiniti G35 and upcoming Z are bragging about .29cd. Am I mistaken, or doesn't the ECHO also have a .29cd? :p
  • rep5858rep5858 Posts: 45
    One i also bought my first new car at the young age of 43. That's 28 years of driving used cars. I made the echo my choice for the new car. Kids would not appreciate the echo's important feautures, so why toyota marketed to a group who can't even point out france on a map is beyond me.

    Two, i have a trailer hitch instlalled by uhaul. Their specs say echo with auto trans can tow up to 1500 lbs. My dealer says a 1000lbs max.
    Hope that helps:)
  • Here is a site selling the armrests:

    And here is a picture of their armrest in an ECHO:

    Price is $78 before a 10% discount for internet orders.

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    No one NEEDS an armrest in their car. Its all in your mind. Condition yourself to follow the path away from material things. Concentrate on what is really important in life...
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    Who even needs gas when you can power your car with your own sense of self-satisfaction?
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    That armrest looks awesome! Thanks for the link.
  • sonatafansonatafan Posts: 171
    There's an armrest available through as well. It's a generic model but you can see mine at

    then click on Armrest Installation

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