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Toyota Echo

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  • 2001 model. Different year Echos have different grills?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    An article on the new 2008 Honda Accord states that the car weights 3400 pounds! They dont mention it gets 19mpg until the last sentence in the article. Guess the car has come full circle!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    It gives access to the tow hook, which is located right behind it.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Were there any factory recalls on the Echo?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    There was something about ice buildup on the wheels which could interfer with the hydralic brake hose. I think there were one or two more. Oh yeah the floor can rust out. (right like if you leave the window open in the rain!)Mostly recalls are total BS. There are exceptions!
  • My son and his new wife will drive my ECHO to Nashville, TN. They leave me their Jeep Cherokee. They need the great mpg for the long commute to/from Vanderbilt University. I will miss it. He put four new tires on the Jeep so I put four new Michilin Harmony tires on the ECHO. I told him we could swap again at Christmas if he missed the Jeep but he said he loves the ECHO better. The only reason he would need the Jeep is when they have a kid. It was implied that kids would be at least two years away so goodbye sweet ECHO, goodbye.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    That is a noble sacrifice. But couldnt you just sell the Jeep and get another ECHO?
  • Title swapping will be done at Christmas just to be sure they want to keep the ECHO. Many options possible after that.
  • I'm curious to know my cruising RPMs, but don't have a tachometer. Can anyone with a tach and a 5 speed tell me what RPMs are at 50, 60, 70, 80? Thanks.
  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    I wanted to know if anyone else experiences this same issue. My '01 auto gets very loud in cold weather until the engine warms up. I was very concerned at first thinking that it was an oil starved valve or something, but I am running 5W-30 Semi-Synthetic oil and the level is perfect. I have tried to pinpoint the issues and it seems to only be when accelerating when the engine is cold!. Once up to speed and cruising, the engine sounds normal. Once warmed, up the engine is normal.

    I am thinking now that the issue is an exhaust leak due to the thermal expansion difference between the aluminum head and steel/iron exhaust manifold. If this is the case, any ides if I need to check a gasket or tighten the header, or if it's just another one of those things?...
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    If you want to replace your hi/lo wiper switch with a variable intermittent one you can get a used one at 1-800-765-7100 for $50. (plus shiping) Ask for an intermittent switch (and specify variable) for a 2006 Toyota Corolla without fog lights. See the DIY section at ECHOfans for howto installation. According to them this fits. Its easy!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Are you sure it's only in cold weather, or is it just every time you start the car up cold? My guess would be the exhaust manifold gasket has a hole in it. That's right where the exhaust manifold joins the head, and it can be darn loud when it leaks. It is also common when the problem first starts to seal up nice and quiet as the engine warms up and the metal expands.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    nippononly,

    It has been much warmer the past few days and the sound is not the. The Car is still noisier and has more vibration until warmed up. The "rattle" sound was only happening while the clod engine light was on and it goes away when the engine has warmed up. I am wondering now if it's a valve issue due to VVTi not being active while cold, or perhaps the extra vibrating is rattling the heat shield on the exhaust? *shrug*
  • mrbwa1,

    Mine is pretty loud when cold too. Very high idle and a little belt squeal I think. Only happens when temp gets down to low 30s for me, though not contained periods of acceleration--it's there until warmed up. I've gotta take mine in for first time since I got it to have oil changed and will ask mechanic if it should idle so high, be so loud when cold.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    My variable intermittent wiper switch arrived from tap recycling.com today. Took five minutes to install. It was $65 delivered. (prolly $150 at the dealer) If you want one ask for a variable intermittent wiper switch for a 03-07 Toyota Corolla without fog lights. As a bonus they even sent the matching turn signal switch! (not sure you will get one) You can track your package by typing in your phone number at their website. How cool is that?
  • 5 minutes, huh? What tools do you need? Anything special?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    philips screw driver. three philips screws (two of them are the ones you see when you turn the steering wheel) Remove the bottom piece of trim under the steering column. Jiggle the top one a little loose. The wiper switch and turn signal switch snap onto posts under the trim and theres a connector to remove aslo. Theres a tab on the switch you depress and just pull off the switch. Very easy to change. Every ECHO owner should have a variable intermittent wiper switch!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Gosh, if it's that simple you just have to ask: how CHEAP is Toyota not to just make it standard? Good ol' Toyota - they make solid cars but everything beyond 4 wheels and an engine costs extra...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I think they put the money into a quality engine, transmission etc. There is no small car made with the quality of this one, and it was only $13.1k bottom line. They must be soaking people who want power windows, power locks, power mirrors, power seats, auto dimming headlights etc. They didnt make any money on me thats fer shure!
  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    The ECHO was one of the last of the truly basic cars. My 2001 is packed full of options: A/C, 6-speaker CD Stereo, Power Steering, Intermittent (non-variable) Wipers, Automatic Transmission, Body Cladding... I don't have the power locks or alarm. I'm not even sure if power windows were available at that time. In the Echo, every little thing makes a difference. The Auto adds enough weight and saps enough power to make a 5-10MPG difference. I imagine the the power steering and even the weight or power windows would make a difference.
  • Got to do some playing around on a short track. The pros: great cornering in tight turns. Great acceleration (for what it is) to 50 in second. On wet ground, the car will burn out all the way through first and much of second to about 40. Great upshifting. Clutch very firm but smooth. I have no power steering and prefer that--its very responsive. Suspension feels very tight and controlled doing anything until around 40mph, where sudden maneuvers cause a very noticeable weight shift that feels a bit alarming.

    Cons: pretty unstable doing high speed, sudden maneuvers, where it gets pretty loose in the rear, starts to feel tippy. This is not in normal turns, but evasive type action, sudden swerving. Mine doesn't have ABS, so have to be pretty precise with braking and turning. Also felt to me that fronts would lock long before rears, so (mine anyway) arent adjusted quite right. Could definitely use bigger wheels for performance, though economy is more important to me. I wouldn't want to have to do anything reeally crazy at freeway speed, so let's hope no deer leap out across the road.
  • My son, who now has my ECHO, said he misses the Jeep's electronics that tell him the outside temperature, the date of the next oil change, and the direction travelling.

    I told him to put a thermometer on the outside of the window, look at the sticker on the windshield, and put in the cup holder a compass.
  • Hey folks, I'm looking at a 2004 4door Echo Hatchback, I was rather excited until I found out that it has almost 97000kms on it. So it is obviously nearly out of warranty. Anyone noticed problems cropping up after 100K kms? The dealers says it was one of their leases and they have service records etc. I'm wondering about price. Originally they had it priced at $13000, which seems silly, but now since they have had it since the summer its just been reduced to $9900. Its a standard, pl, antilock brakes, cd, ac, um not sure it anything else. Any opinions if this might be a good buy or not?

    Also, I wondering how this tiny little vehicle does in winter conditions? I love the idea of low gas expense but I would have to drive across Canada with it soon.

    Thanks a lot everyone.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    You're obviously in Canada, so I don't know how well my experience would translate across to you. But I bought mine "Toyota Certified" from the dealer two years ago, at almost exactly the same mileage (mine had 60K miles right on the nose, which is about 97K kms yes? It was 3 years old at the time).

    I have not had to use the warranty at all. It is at 94K miles now (about 155,000 kms?) and has needed no repair at all, powertrain or otherwise.

    At the time I paid $9000 US, so what with the exchange rate now and a couple of years' inflation, I would think $9500-9900 CDN wouldn't be too bad...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    This is a very reliable car. So you cant go far wrong buying it. HOWEVER I would look VERY closely at the service records. Do they match the scheduled maintenance in the owners manual? Has the oil been changed AT LEAST twice a year? ie 8 or ten times total? Has the air filter been changed twice? The sparkplugs changed twice? They should have been! If it has NOT then I would walk the other way. GET THE OWNERS MANAUAL read the service intervals and DEMAND to compare the records. You can be very nice about it. If its been done they should be happy to comply. If these things have not been done I would offer $6000. Point the discrepency out to the dealer AND DO NOT PAY $9000!
    See if the valve clearances have been checked. They were supposed to be at 60k miles. Also the coolant should be changed by now. I would make the purchase conditional on these thwo things being done.
    If the maintenance is up to snuff I would offer $7500. As with nippononly Im an American where ECHOs are universally disrespected. ECHOS are well liked in Canada though. $9000 is too much here IMHO. But it might be fair there. But theyve had it since summer? (really?) They should let it go for less if thats true.
    Good luck and tell us what happens!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I see you mentioned winter driving. My ECHO was TERRIBLE in the snow with the tires that came with it. Bridgestone Potenzas RE92. I have a lot of experience winter driving living in upstate NY. I have Kumho tires on it now highly rated in Tire Rack but as yet untested in real snow.
    Since ECHO is so popular in CN I would ask around what people say.
    $13,000 is an insane price for this car BTW. At least here!
  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    The OEM tires were not all that great. Our second set of A/S radials was OK in the snow, but we splurges 2 years back and put on Yomohama IG-10 snows. With these tires the ECHO is an awesome snow car. There isn't really a lot of torque to get the tires spinning, and with the Yokos, it is VERY stable in the snow. I have tried to get it spinning in an icy, empty parking lot and that takes some real effort.

    NOTE: I do not recommend trying to spin circles in the snow with the E-brake anywhere other than a wide open parking lot where's there's nothing to run into!
  • I have only driven in snow with chains on, but it did very well. Without chains, I don't have great traction even with new (generic street) tires. Even on wet ground I spin the tires through all of first and much of second gear if I'm playing around and floor/redline it, and I've had it sideways pretty easily plenty when playing on wet ground too. I'd hate to drive it in snow without chains except on flat ground and with snow tires. $9000 sounds like a ton of money (probably almost twice what you could get the same car for in the US if you hunt around). That said, I honestly don't want any other car, unless someone were to give me a prius, and Ive seen that they sell in Vancouver BC for much more than they do just across the border in the States.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Prius: the car just like an ECHO which costs $10,000 more and saves $2000 of gas over its entire lifetime.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    I kind of doubt you would find a 60K-mile 2004 Echo, at a Toyota dealer, with an extended warranty (not to mention the Echo in question, if it has ABS and power locks, is pretty much as fully loaded as an Echo could be), for 1/2 of $9000, which is $4500. I am in California though, where everything is more expensive, so my perspective may be skewed.

    Toyota dealers charge a HECK of a lot for used Toyotas. They are the most expensive place, in fact, to buy a used Toyota.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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