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Toyota Echo

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  • No, not at a dealer. But in a private sale, I see them for that in WA state, and that's what I paid for mine w 64k. It is not fully loaded (more like fully stripped), but it is mint. Seems like they arent very popular here either. It's rare enough to see one on the road I always notice it.
  • Well, I believe it isnt necessarily more economical, but its not just like the echo when it comes to emissions. II got the echo because it is the greenest thing that fit within my budget. If I had the money to spare, I'd go with the Prius. It would be worth it to me, and I'll prob get one in a few years.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    The ECHO is a great green choice if thats what appeals to you. What we really need is a car like the origional Honda Civic. (That got 50 mpg with no razmataz)Yes they have covered just about every angle they can think of with that Prius. Even when people realize they just spent $10,000 extra to save $2000 of gas they have the green thing. Any car can have a gas engine like the Prius and I believe theres one offered for the Focus. Then theres the buck rodgers dashboard with the overoptimistic mile-o-meter. I mean, how manipulated are you going to allow yourself to be?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I think delphin was referring to smog-forming emissions, where Prius definitely has the edge. The Echo was ULEV in its day (at least my '02 was: I haven't checked the more recent models, and it WOULD change in later years unless Toyota modified the car) while Prius was SULEV (PZEV in California) and still is.

    I am not sure what this year's Yaris is rated for smog emissions. The Corolla is currently only LEV-rated, because it is an older model.

    Anyway, the Yaris is not quite the bargain the Echo was in its day. Although it is close. (I like the Yaris hatch. :-))

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    What do you mean its not quite the bargain? I saw a Yaris at the dealer for $12,500. My 01 ECHO was $13.1 bottom line.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Well, the Yaris hatchbacks are really good deals - hardly any more pricey than the Echo was, and with A/C standard to boot.

    But the sedans' base price is $1000 higher, and they seem to mostly run about $14K - hardly pricey either, but more than an Echo was back in the day, and that day was only 4 or 5 years ago. I will bet your $13,100 Echo had A/C and the step-up stereo, eh? Not to mention the clock and rear defogger, items which are standard on the Yaris? Mine was almost the exact same price as yours when new.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    AC yes. 3 in 1 stero yes. (a great stero by the way!) PS. No clock. (and I wouldnt want it the little shelf is much more usefull!) RD. I just added the variable intermittent wiper switch from an 03 junkyard Corolla for $50.
    Im amazed the price isnt A LOT higher now. Maybe I should bite my tounge!
    The Yaris sedan is pretty big looking. Its only a matter of time before it gets the 1.8 litre Corolla engine.
  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    I agree with you on the Yaris. The ECHO isn't the best looking car, but it's not too bad. I recently got some old '97 Camry wheel covers for my snow wheels and they dress the ECHO up very nicely. The five bolt holes are a little weird, but I need covers for the winter rims and these were free!

    As for the stereo, I have the 3-in-1 with the dash tweeters and it is one of the best factory stereos out there. I finally got around to installing my aftermarket Panasonic MP3/CD player in there and it sounds quite a bit better than stock.

    If only Toyota could put a 1.5L diesel is these little cars, then you would have something (thinking WV Polo-esque)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I think they make a 1.3 liter diesel. Boy would that be sweet! Actually with diesel at $3.40 a gallon in NJ the gas ECHO still is doing pretty good!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    "The Yaris sedan is pretty big looking. Its only a matter of time before it gets the 1.8 litre Corolla engine. "

    I hope not - the 1.5 is the key to the great gas mileage in town. What they should focus on instead of boosting engine size is maintaining/reducing weight. The Echo put on almost 300 pounds when it became the Yaris (a good 100 pounds of this was due to power steering and A/C becoming standard, I am sure).

    The Yaris has only one available stereo from the factory, and it sounds like mud. For $13K, your Echo had a much better stereo than the $14K Yaris has. But I agree, the Yaris does look nice.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Everyone who has been in my Yaris Sedan has been impressed with the sound of my stereo. They are amazed given that it is in an economy car.

    I looked for years at the Echo. Options are high on the Yaris but they were outrageous on the Echo. I never saw one with many options. I wanted power windows, door locks , cruise, and keyless. I never saw a single one with those options the whole time the Echo was sold.

    I have seen plenty of Yarii with those options including mine. The additions of the airbag package and the auxillary input for the stereo system are major improvements for me. It would be nice if they could take out a few pounds, but it is the lightest car out there now I believe.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Was the variable spd intermittent wiper switch from the Corolla a straight swap out, or did you have to do any soldering? I'm looking to do the same thing with my Echo and actually with my wife's new Yaris as well. We love the Yaris, except for the lack of the variable spd option (why my 21 year old Celica had it but it's not even available as an option on the '08 Yaris I'll never quite understand).

    Oh, and Parksgirl, I bought my 2001 Echo Sedan back in '04 with 75K miles. I had the full service history - in fact the dealer I bought it used from sold it new originally and it had been serviced there it's whole life. It's been fantastic. I'm up to around 99K miles now and the only thing I had problems with was the electronic lock on the driver's side. A piece broke off of the arm inside the door so the electronic part wouldn't actuate but you could still lock and unlock it manually; it was replaced under the extended warranty. No problems with anything since.

    Thanks
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Its exactly the same switch except for the intermittent. You want to order it at the phone number I gave earlier. It is very easy to change. There is no soldering or frigging around. Strictly plug and play. Now that is for the ECHO. The Yaris I have no clue but I would be looking for another Toyota that has the intermittent switch that would fit the Yaris if I had a Yaris without the intermittent. I got to tell you I use that sucker all the time and I feel like a genius every time I use it! If you have an ECHO without intermitttent by all means DO IT! Changing that switch out makes me feel better about any other failures I may have as a human being.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Heh heh, yeah, I found your earlier post with the number and I'm on hold with them right now. Having variable intermittent is just one of those things that should always be - like tires! :D
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Please dake let us all know if the Corolla switch works in the Yaris as well as the Echo. I would upgrade my Yaris if it is a reasonably easy upgrade.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
  • "never saw one with many options. I wanted power windows, door locks , cruise, and keyless. I never saw a single one with those options the whole time the Echo was sold"

    You forgot heated steering wheel! Intermittent wipers aside (which reminds me I need to get on that) I'm happy not to have the options. My last car was running awesome after 20 yrs, but all the damn options had gone out and made it worse than it would have been if it never had them. And to fix those things is ridiculous. So glad my echo has no power steering. On my last car there was a fluid leak on the rack and pinion and would have cost 1000+ to fix, and that was the nail in the coffin. Didn't want to have to junk the car for no other reason, but that made me appreciate the simplicty of this car.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Things like PL PW Pm etc tend to break later in the cars life and be very expensive to fix. In the 60s I had a German friend who was amazed to see Mercedes sold in this country with power windows etc. He said no German would buy such tings on their cars in Germany because they would inevitably break.
    I tried and tried to get an ECHO with zero options but it wasnt possible. (or the dealer put me off!) I would kill right now for no power steering and a diesel engine. Still I am happy with the fold down seats, the intermittent wiper switch I installed, the super stereo, and the AC (which I know will go flooey and cost me $1000 to fix at some point)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    But then again, if it goes flooey ten years from now, you may consider that you have had reasonable service from your 16 year old Echo, and just call it a day! :-)

    One thing that hangs in there pretty well overall in Toyotas is A/C. And I think all A/C systems are more durable than they were 20 years ago.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Ok, here's the verdict. The Yaris wiper combination switch is NOT the same as the Echo/Corolla. The Echo/Corolla has one long connector, while the Yaris has two separate connectors. I'll bet once the new Corolla hits the streets, we may find that we can nab the wiper switch from that.

    Yaris Wiper Switch
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    Echo Wiper Switch
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    On a side note, I couldn't find a single '03 - '07 Corolla at a junk yard that had the variable spd intermittent wipers. I DID find an '03 Matrix and that DOES work. I now have variable spd int AND a knob for a non-existent back windshield wiper :D, but it doesn't bother the Echo a bit. Maybe I'll re-label that turbo-boost or something. Just thought I'd pass that along to broaden everyone's search potential.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Did you try the number of the yard I posted for the switch? And they didnt have it?
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    I did and the guy couldn't tell me whether what he had was a variable spd or just standard intermittent wiper switch. He said he'd call me back but never did, so I just called around to local salvage yards here in Houston. I got the Matrix switch for 50 bucks and put it on in their parking lot so I'm more than content.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Thanks dake for that valuable information and the excellent photos. I guess we will wait and see if the new 2009 Corolla switch will work for those of us with a Yaris.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    I've got an '08 Camry Wiper switch on order, so we'll see if that works. Stay tuned!
  • I saw on tv where the new pint size Smart car will get around 36 mpg. This seems low considering my ECHO did better even with a larger engine, auto tran, room for four, etc.

    Seems to me that the ECHO is Smarter.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Agreed. Also this so called smart car also has a lot of qc issues from what Ive been reading. But never underestimate the stupidity of the public. Look how theyve taken to the fraud that is the Prius.
    I would love to have a little mini car like the Smart Car. But it would have to get 60 mpg and be reliable. Right now the best thing out there is the ECHO. The Yaris is about as good but is going in the direction of the Civic.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Well, I know your post borders on flame bait ;) - but it's semi-entertaining at least. I assume you consider the Prius a fraud b/c of the gas mileage issue? Never mind that the original figures would prove far more accurate if you lived in a metropolis like Tokyo and never got above 35 mph. So, thanks to our open roads and long commutes, you still get better gas mileage than anything comparable, with more room and a good ride.

    I love my Echo, and I think the Yaris took everything that was good about the Echo and made it better with the one exception of removing some of the storage cubbies on the sedan for some reason. But I have to say, if I could've afforded it, I'd have bought a Prius.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    No I never troll its just my considered opinion. And thankyou I do try to entertain just a little. The Prius has almost the same gas engine as the ECHO. It costs about $10,000 (at least) more than an ECHO and over 100,000 miles it will save about $2000 worth of gas compared to the ECHO. Not a viable economic proposition. My brother had I believe a 1983 Renault Alliance which consistantly averaged 50 mpg with a 1.3 liter engine. So all you need to get Prius numbers is a lighter car with a smaller engine. The argument that a Prius has fewer emissions cuts no ice because ANY car could be equiped with the emission control a Prius has and give the exact same emissions.
    I read an engineering anaysis of the Prius which claimed all its gizmos at most represent an increase in efficiency of 5%. My brother is a chemical engineer and he says thats about right. When the German car industry did a study of the Prius they were astounded anyone took this car seriously. A similiar sized Diesel engine has about the same efficiency (although not the emissions)
    I know a lot of well intentioned people admire the Prius and Im sure I appear to be insensitive at least. But its really about as effective as those magnetic devices unscrupulous people sell to increase mileage.
    I like the Yaris and if my ECHO was somehow destroyed I would probably buy one. But I see the Yaris as a step in the wrong direction because it is heavier than the ECHO. Its like what Honda did with the Civic, taking a fuel efficient vehicle and turning it into a bloated version of itself. How horrible if they have deleted the cubby holes!
    I think you have done wonderfully well for yourself to be driving an ECHO rather than a Prius.
    I guess you dont believe a word I am saying?
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Heh heh, no I don't find anything you say to be too far fetched. From what I've read the Insight was actually better than the Prius, but what it had in efficiency it lacked in execution and style. And yeah, until they do something about the particulate matter, diesels just aren't in the running, emissions wise.

    That being said, the only way anything gets made in today's world is if there's money in it. So, now that the Prius has done well as a commercial endeavor it's encouraged everyone to make something better. For that alone I think the Prius is a success - if not for what it does, then for what it's making the other automakers do. If in the meantime a few people consume a little less gas, that's ok too. :)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    What a shame we just cant get on with it and make cars with 1.5 liters max like the ECHO. I would love a one liter ECHO if it weighted 1500 lbs.
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