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Toyota Echo

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    is a pretty good proposition for a whole bunch of people, but not for those that want a no-frills car. Think of the Prius as an Echo 5-door with luxury amenities and proper room for 4 full-size adults. Actually, that's not really an appropriate comparison because the Prius has so much more interior space. The closest 5-door out there today is Toyota's own Matrix, and with approximately the same acceleration times as the Echo, the Matrix only manages to pull low 30s in mpg. So the Prius, consistently pulling mid 40s for most owners, offers a vehicle with 30% savings in gas and a number of extra luxury features for maybe $4000 more than a comparably sized car.

    Why would one even compare Echo and Prius? Because they are the respective fuel economy leaders in gas and hybrid cars? Not enough of a reason - the Prius is in a completely different class of size and features.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    They said they made it to get superior gas mileage so that is how I judge it. Yes the interior is nice, elegant and understated.
  • Hi guys please let me have your input on the check engine light that just came on.

    Car is manual 2000 w/ 69,000mi

    1. It came on while driving (actually watched it come on).

    2. If it is relevant, it also came on while I had been driving a while with the gas warning light flashing (maybe 10 miles). Owners manual says the light can come on when totally out of gas (it wasn't--only took ten gallons). Maybe this triggered it (?), but would it reset or not after fill up? (It did not.)

    3. Everything runs/sounds great as far as I can tell.

    If I recall there is an autostore that will read code for free? If so, do you know it?

    Also, if I get it looked at, do I need to go to a dealer, or can any mechanic check it?

    Thanks for your help.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    Autozone will read the code for free. I have what the codes mean in the service manual. Check that your gas cap gasket is good a common problem. (it might be torn or distorted)
    I believe you can disconnect the negative terminal of the battery and that will reset the computer. If the light comes on again then theres a problem.
    Possible the low gas situation caused something but lots of people run their cars like that. (dumb on several levels)
    Good luck and please report back!
  • Thanks. Those're all good tips. Fortunately I don't have to go in to work tomorrow so I will try all of the above and get back to you.
  • Autozone read the code as p 0171 which meant lean fuel mixture. They thought in all probability this had to do with the low gas level in the car when the light came on (guess I'll fill up at 1/4 tank from now on) and that once reset, if it didnt come back on, things should be fine. Otherwise it would be the O2 sensor. Fortunately, the light has not come back on--let's hope it stays that way. Thanks again kneisl1.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    Hopefully its out for good and it does sound plausible the low gas level was the reason. But give it time! It may come on again. Not to worry we will fix it.
    Its not a good idea to run your car so far out of gas the fuel light comes on because:

    1) When it gets that low if there is any sediment/water in the tank that crud might get sucked into the system.
    2) The fuel pump is in the tank and it runs cooler/longer if submerged in gas.
    3) You are BEGGING the car to run out of gas. If that happens it might be very difficult to start it when you do put some gas in there.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Alrighty, I'll post this over on the Yaris forum too, but for those who are curious, the '08 Camry switch works in the Yaris! So, my wife is now the proud owner of one of the only Yaris with variable speed intermittent wipers!

    I had a buddy at the dealer who ordered it in for me, it's regularly 150 bucks, but I got his shop price on it, so that was nice. They're a huge dealer, but they still had to get the part from Japan, since it's so new. Works and looks great though.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Oh, and the part # is 84652-47031 Switch, Windshield
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    Thought I burned out my wiper motor last night. Ice was forecast so I parked my wipers vertically to make it easier to get them unstuck from the windshield. Problem was when I came out to the car there was two inches of ice at the base of the wipers! So when I turned on the ignition the wipers tried to park themselves only they couldnt move. It was all I could do to get a 12 inch hole in the ice I could see out of so I could drive home. All the way home the wipers were trying to park. Half an hour of driving didnt put a dent in the ice. But this morning the ice was all gone (heavy rain) and the wipers worked. Hurray! I consulted the Service Manual for how to replace the motor. (it doesnt show you!) Next time that happens I will just remove the fuse!
  • babyboomerbabyboomer Posts: 205
    My son and his wife have driven the ECHO since last Christmas. He was telling me yesterday via phone that they found the "hidden" drawer under the passenger seat. He said that the wife loves all those storage spaces and that car makers should design future cars with plenty of them. But best of all they love the ECHO's ability to not visit gas stations very often.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    Hmmm I'll wait for an episode of COPS where the perp is driving an ECHO and see if he stashes his drugs under the passanger seat.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    That drawer is great - it holds 12 CDs easy and has a detente so it won't slide out unexpectedly. Don't know why they eliminated so many of all the great storage spots when they updated it as the Yaris for '07.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    2002 echo with ac, at, 3 in1 cd/radio/cassette, split rear seat, new tires and brakes, spoiler, clock, rear defroster.....84,400 miles....front bumper has a couple of cracks but carfax is clean,...chicago area..thanks in advance!!
    Don
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    oops! $4500 for this '02 echo
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    If the car is in good mechanical condition $4500 is a fair price. Check and see if the valve clearances have been checked at 60,000 miles. That is an expensive check I think.
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    NO AC but it is a AT in excellent condition....single owner and clean carfax...opinions? GOOD echos are all selling quick!!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    I would buy one but Im afraid my ECHO is going to laast another 13 years so they might not be around then... :D
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    European Aygo could be the next Echo. Cute little car, roomy but small for easy city driving and geat fuel economy.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • babyboomerbabyboomer Posts: 205
    This review of the Aygo reminds me of the ECHO reviews. Was there ever a pro reviewer who did not trash the ECHO? Most buyers loved the ECHO but the media did not. Manufacturers rather sell the more profitable SUVs so ads for the smaller models are very limited. I remember seeing my first ECHO at a dealership and since nobody mentioned it I had to ask the saleman what it was. I had not heard or seen anything about the ECHO before that day. Will the high price of fuel be the end of the love affair with the huge SUVs? Will there ever be a luxury car the size of the ECHO?

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyota-aygo-review/
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Well the reviewer in your linked article sounds European. I think most of the nice things he says about the Aygo would not be repeated by the speed mavens at the buff books here in the U.S.

    The things that I think are the strongest traits of the Echo - light weight, maneuverability, high fuel economy, low emissions, cheap to insure and run - are not attributes appreciated by the "professional reviewers" in America. Luckily, those traits ARE appreciated by a growing crowd of the buying public.

    I would love to see the Aygo come to the States, whether as the next Echo or just as itself.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    Actually a bare majority of the articles I read about the ECHO eight years ago were positive. Sure there were negative ones (Edmunds most memorably) but many many writers recognized what a great little car the ECHO is. Not that they themselves would buy and drive an ECHO most likely, but they did widely acknowledge its roomy cabin, Toyota reliability, outstanding fuel economy, and spritely engine. It WAS pretty depressing to read the negative ones.
  • babyboomerbabyboomer Posts: 205
    Here is part of the 2001 Edmunds review of the ECHO. What impression do you get from it?

    "What Edmunds.com says
    We don't like the Echo. Check out the superior offerings from Hyundai and Kia.
    Pros
    Good gas mileage, speedy acceleration, roomy and functional interior, likely to be reliable.
    Cons
    Cartoonish styling, annoying gauge placement, tilt-a-whirl handling, deceptively low base pricing. "
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    Superior offerings from Hyundai and Kia? Are you KIDDING me? The Pros are just about everything you could want in a car. Except of course the ECHO has no macho image to tell you you are the hottest thing on the road. I have to admit the ECHO is pretty much in your face if you value that sort of thing. If you are insecure in that area youll have a hard time rationalizing an ECHO.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Ha! Yeah, you have to laugh at that. How many of those Hyundais and Kias are still rolling around compared to Echos with comparable mileage?

    Yeah, the Echo's funny lookin', but like you said, if you get your self-worth from how your car looks, you've got bigger issues. I love the center-mounted instrument cluster, and I wonder why all cars aren't made that way - it's especially nice for night driving.

    The one fault in the Echo is it's high roof-line allows it to get blown about a bit on the highway, which could be disconcerting if you weren't ready for it. Beyond that, I love mine.
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    the echo I have just bought - 05 AT coupe..no AC or PS....seems to have better seals on windows,steers with distinctly less 'float' at interstate speeds than the '00 and'02 I had earlier.....paint is flawless - not even dings on the hood!

    Anyone have experience with both models to know if subtle changes or quality improvements were done in the last model year or two...or is all of this my imagination??!!?? :confuse:
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    As far as I know the only changes were sheet metal ones. That year ECHOs are much rarer I think they only sold 5000 or so the last year as opposed to 50,000 a year the first couple of years.
  • rep5858rep5858 Posts: 45
    I read about the Aygo. It's a joint effort between Toyota, Citreon, and Peugot. It's manufactured at the old Yugo plant in the Czech republic. The car gets a combined 62 mpg. It looks just like a Yaris but has a 3 cylinder vvt-i engine and lightweight metal skin. It also has a 1.4 diesel that gets even better mpg
    Two reasons why I think Toyota is not selling them here: They make more money on the gas guzzlers( still) and the emissions may be a problem, although European governments focus more on emissions than mpg ??
    Toyota is a master at manufacturing reliable fuel efficient cars around the world. I guess American car buyers are not interested in those attributes just vehicles that are mean looking , are fast and can intimidate other drivers.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,689
    Bingo. Americans are not interested in such a car as the Aygo. That is the SOLE reason. Toyota went out on a limb with the ECHO and it failed in America. Now gas is $3.35 a gallon (diesel $4.24!) and going nowhere but UP! What would the price of oil be today if everyone bought an ECHO (or a car like it) in 2000? WAKE UP YOU BLOCKHEADS!
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