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Toyota Echo

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  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I could also buy a new car....but what? The mileage estimates for the Yaris are 29/36. Quite a comedown from 34/41 for the ECHO. The good news is the ECHO is probably good for another eight years of reliable transportation. I would so like a one liter mini car though... (NEVER HAPPEN)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Well, before the 2008 redo, Yaris's EPA ratings (with all the same mechanicals as today) were 34/40, so it wouldn't be much of a comedown from the Echo. Still, it would be less.

    Speaking of minicars, funny observation: I happened to park right next to a Smart car today, and now I truly have an accurate perspective on its size - it's rear bumper only extended to the door post behind the Echo's front door, when the front bumpers were lined up! The Echo had a full passenger door and a trunk beyond the end of the Smart! Wow, THAT'S small.

    My Echo is probably going to need a new battery this winter, maybe that will be my incentive to trade it in for something new.............just kidding! ;-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Yeah I would like something like a Smart...if it got 50 mpg or better. But it doesnt, It even has a one liter engine. SMART what is your problem? Why are you so DUMB?
  • I have a 2001 echo. High mileage. Commute 110 miles daily. Well, after the last 2 oil changes, the CEL went on. Three codes came up all emissions, the first time. Second oil change the light came on again, did not bother to check just disconnected ground to clear codes.
    Is there a connection between oil changes and CEL coming on? sounds odd to me???
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Sounds like a coincidence. What are the codes and Ill look them up and tell you what to check for. It might be something simple. (then again, it might not!)
  • the codes are po446, po441, and po440.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Get back to you tomorrow. Im at work now.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Ha thanks to google Im back!

    It could be as simple as your gas cap. Is it loose, or is the gasket bad? Check it out.

    440 441 and 446 have to do with the gas fume evaporative control system. You could have a loose hose or possible a bad charcoal cannister. Youd want to check all the hoses going to and from the gas tank and charoal cannister for cracks, kinks, or just being loose. 446 is the cannister 440 is the tank. So its something around there. Also could be a loose hose on the air filter because hoses come from those things to it.

    Good news: since its emissions related possibly it is still under warranty.

    Good news: not likely to cause dammage if you run with it UNLESS your cannister is full of gas in which case that makes it a bomb. Easy to check that.

    Good luck and let us know what you find out!
  • Thanks for your help in advance! How long is the warranty on emissions? the car is a 2001 with 200,000 miles. I'll check that stuff today. ummm did u say bomb? How would I check that? Could be important lol. I replaced the gas cap.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Find the charcoal cannaster and start pulling the hoses off. (one at a time so you can replace corrrectly!) If gas comes out...you got da bomb!
    Seriously it happens but its rare. I think you can forget about a warranty claim!
  • LOL ok The cannister I believe is under the car near the gas tank? ok ill check the hoses ( again).
    You know anything about this new toyota Iq. Was a concept car to compete with the Smart. Is already in Europe/ Asia etc, but is suppose to be available in US with safety and emission mods. They say it gets over 55MPH.
  • Oh yeah and this IQ car looks like the Smart, but a little longer and Toyota will intro it to US under the Scion badge. Will cost about 15K.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I read the iQ will only be offered in the US with the 1.5 liter engine.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I read 1.3L for the engine displacement, 40 mpg combined or better on the EPA test cycle.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I caught the end of a short report on the news today that even Toyota will report a loss this quarter.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Yes it was in the NYT today. Loss for the YEAR it said.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,667
    Just Toyota Motor Division will be a loss. The entire company is still going to make a profit. They also own a truck manufacturer and a few others.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,667
    Sorry to hear. I know your 2001 will be perfect for someone, especially since you know how to really care for a car. I'd bet the only problem is that it is a stick, because it seems no one wants one when I've sold my cars. Good luck!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Thanks! Yes I think youre right hard to find a buyer who wants a manual. I figure I can keep it for a year or so. And probably will!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Did you write a post saying you were selling your beloved Echo, and then delete it? Why on Earth are you selling? I thought you would keep that car 50 years!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I now own THREE Echos! A silver 2001 with 44k miles and a five speed, another silver 2000 with 120k miles, automatic and the hideous body cladding, and a white 2004 with 53k miles, automatic and a factory detachable faceplate am/fm radio with a CD player but no cassette. The white Echo has a tan or brown interior as opposed to the grey interiors of the 2000 and 2001. When I bought the 2004 it actually had a mechanical problem! One of the front wheel bearings was bad and the dealer fixed it before I took delivery. It also has loverly TOYO tires which are nearly new!
    Now if I can just find a 2002, 2003, and a 2005 I will have one of every year they made them!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    thought of buying one of every year for my collection. There is just something very likeable about these cars. Now finding an '05 would be a real challenge - that was the year they didn't stock them at dealerships, and only like 4000 were sold as a result.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Noticing some differences between my 2001 and 2004. The 2004 seems to be sprung stiffer. It doesnt roll as much in corners. Also its longer or something. Definately looks bigger. The bodywork has a lot more do-dads on it like goofy rear taillights and then theres the Toyota ZIT in the middle front of the hood. Guess they were trying to make it edgier. The paint on the 2004 does not seem to be as high quality as on the 2001, although they are different colors (white 2004 silver 2001) In fact I am tempted to say the 2004 overall doesnt seem as well put together as the 2001. It does drive very well however.
    How many 2004s were sold? I know theres not a lot of 2005s around. Maybe theyll be worth more! :P
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    2004 was the calendar year Echo went from dealer stock to order-only status, so more were sold but not a lot more. I think it was around 10K or 15K, but I would have to look it up to be sure. I did see the numbers a long time ago.

    It's the '05 that is super rare. '04s are around, although if you like the revised body style of the second half of the model run, the '03s are much easier to find.

    Anything they might have done to reduce body roll or stiffen up the suspension would be most welcome though.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    was my odometer reading the day before yesterday, as my Echo wings its way into its second 100 grand. Kind of funny seeing all those ones there on the readout, and it made me wonder if I will still have the car when that reads 222,222.....

    Will it even still be on the road when that display reads 333,333?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Start driving it 1000 miles and week and I bet it would....
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I have a 2004 ECHO with auto trans now. How many speed is this thing? 3? About what point does it shift into highest gear? It shifts so smoothly and quietly I cant tell.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Nah, Echo used a 4-speed auto right from the start. That was the "scandal" - in 2000 the more expensive Corolla still had a 3-speed auto in the base trim, while the Echo had a 4-speed.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Hey lnr, I just had the same exact issues with my 2000 toyota echo. Since June or so, I've noticed my car radio will stop working while I'm driving, and no amount of fiddling will turn it back on again. Sure enough, my car is dead the next day, or shortly thereafter. This has happened on four separate occasions. After replacing the alternator and replacing the battery twice, I took it to the dealer. They said that the radio is actually draining the battery when it doesn't seem to be on. Guess I need a new radio. Any suggestions? How did your dilemma turn out? Anyone else experience this and can give me some advice on a new radio?
  • I have a 2001 Echo with 203,000. It burns about a quart every oil change. I heard CD-2 is good to stop oil burning. I s this stuff ok to put in?
    thanks
    rick
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