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Toyota Echo

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  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    It wont hurt the engine. It will thicken the oil and maybe inhibit starting in cold weather. Its expensive too. If the engine is using a quart of oil in 3000 miles that is no big deal. I would just keep an eye on the oil level and add oil as necessary. Using cd2 might help also. As long as the car runs and is reliable its OK to feed its habit. 200k miles and still running is great!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    I am having to resist the temptation again....I just discovered that side airbags and curtains and ABS are now standard on Yaris as of 2009. The little stick shift 3-door with the power package (including 15" rims with 185/60 tires, CD stereo, A/C, etc) stickers for just $14,5 and there is currently a $1000 rebate......so $13,5, and it has the same sweet little 1.5 as Echo under the hood, and makes within a hair of the same gas mileage as Echo did, with a weight gain of only 200 pounds. And the interior of the hatchback model is pretty darn nice. :-/

    OTOH my Echo has just sailed on past 115K miles with nary a flicker or a flash, and I have yet to repair ANYTHING on this car. I bet it has at least 2 more years (about 35K miles, as much as I drive) in it of totally trouble-free operation. I can't trade now, can I???

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I got a price of $14k out the door tax and everything on a base Yaris with automatic transmission. That deal was good until the end of December. But I went with a used 2004 ECHO with auto (pretty base model no fold down rear seats or rr defroster, no 3 in 1 stereo) for $5995 with 50k miles on it. Less than half the cost and it will be more than 8 MORE years before it sees 100k miles...
    Considering a Civic is $20k now by the time you write the check/sign the papers $13.5k is a STEAL!

    Keep the "old" ECHO as a spare and get a new Yaris and have it all!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Problem is, still no cruise at that price, and I use the cruise all the time in the Echo. And I suppose if I am getting power locks, I would like keyless entry too. So now we're probably back to $14,250 sticker after the rebate. I think I can talk myself out of it! ;-)

    Can't buy the Yaris without selling the Echo, we only have two parking spots for our cars, not to mention I am still paying on the other car. So I think I will hold off. The current Yaris should still be around for at least another 18 months. I don't know what they will do with it for model year 2011.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Well thats definately got you on the road to spending the least ammount of money for transportation. I suspect your ECHO will hold up much longer than another 15k miles. Consider this also: even dropping a couple thou into it at that point by keeping it you reduce your overall transportation expences even further.
    Im waiting for them to drop the 1.8 liter Corolla engine into the Yaris at some point. That will be a sorry day.
    On the other had Im hearing about a new SMALLER than the ECHO Toyota which isnt scheduled to make it to the US but might anyway. Unfortunately it will have the 1.5 liter ECHO engine instead of an everywhere else 1 liter. It still weighs in at 1900 plus pounds though. Dollar for dollar and gallon for gallon its pretty hard to improve on the ECHO!
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Is that the Aigo?

    I personally want a hybrid power train in the Yaris. The Prius is really a pretty large car, and I think that power train could do wonders in something smaller. I'd give up some trunk space for the power pack.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Its called the iQ. Even with just the 1.5 liter ECHO I hear its gonna be $17,500. Prolly pushing $30k with a Prius setup. The weight would most likely be the same Prius or Yaris. Is it worth $12k to save $2k worth of gas over the cars lifetime?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    looks pretty cool, and just the right size for me, not much larger than a Smart car, but with that crucial third seat. And at 1900 pounds, with the Echo's 1.5, it will be downright spry! :-)

    And it will have a nicer interior and more features than the Echo, which is part of the reason for the $17,5 price tag, although I suspect they will offer a stripper version for more like $15K. Which might be just my speed. And I bet they can boost fuel economy into the mid-40s, what with the reduced weight and Echo's ability with decade-old tech to produce 40 mpg consistently. I am still wondering if the iQ can make it to the States in such a bad economy though...

    hey kneisl1, you can have a Yaris with the Corolla 1.8 right now, it's called the Scion xD!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    No no make it go AWAY!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Don't like the xD? I think it's OK in its own chunky way. I wouldn't buy one though.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Engines should be getting smaller not bigger!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    But wasn't it you who just said he would like to see the Yaris with the Corolla 1.8?!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Yes but I meant it would be a horrible thing to do....
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Oh. Well I'm looking forward to the introduction of the 1.3L engine for the base Yaris model. I'm sure in traditional Toyota manner it will be a trim with practically no options available, but it should also be very inexpensive and get really great fuel economy.

    Of course that was the rumored plan when the iQ was also set to come to the U.S., and I wonder if both plans aren't on hold now with the recession.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Have you herd they are bringing the 1.3 liter engine to the US for real?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Well, someone in Toyota PR DID say it, but that was last fall, before everything really badly went BOOM.

    As a plan it makes sense, in order to take on the new $9995 base model Versa.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Hi, I have a 2000 echo that has been giving me a lot of headaches. I am not sure if this is the right forum. If not, please re-direct me. Any way here is my problem:
    My check engine light came on a while back. Went to the dealer. He diagnosed the problem to the O2 sensor. Had that replaced - no luck. Dealer suggested replacing the second O2 sensor. Had that replaced - still no luck. Had a mechanic, check and clean the complete ignition system, checked fuel pump pressure (looks good - but am told by the dealer that this could be the problem). Continue to get a 0171 error. The pump is very expensive, will change if no other options. Any suggestions are welcome.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Service manual faults for 0171:

    Air induction system (dirty air filter?)
    injector blocked
    mass air flow meter
    engine coolant temp sensor
    fuel pressure (which they say is OK)
    gas leakage on exhaust system'
    open or short in oxygen sensor (bank 1 sensor1)circuit (this would be the wiring)
    sensor itself O2.

    I strongly doubt the pump is to blame if the pressure is good. That would be the last thing I would change. You might check the fump and filter for blockage/debris. How is the engine running?
  • rcp21771rcp21771 Posts: 13
    Greetings all,
    My 2001 Echo has an issue with the driver side window. When I roll the window up, it appears to be slipping as it is being rolled up and barely closes. When I push up on the window with my hand it will close tightly.
    Has anybody else encountered this issue? Any ideas on how to fix it? Any comments/suggestions are greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Rob
  • sahara18sahara18 Posts: 2
    Hey Rob,
    I have a 2000 Echo and I had this very same issue last fall around Labor Day. All I needed was to replace the bolt(s) inside the door that allows your manual crank to connect with the window regulator. I took it to the dealer. It took about an hour and a half because they do have to take the door apart. You may want to go to a dealership because most other shops won't have the part on hand. Should be fairly cheap, I think I paid less than $30 for the part itself.
  • rcp21771rcp21771 Posts: 13
    Thanks Sahara18, I appreciate the help!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Traded in my 2004 ECHO with auto transmission at the dealer this morning for a 2009 base Yaris hatch, black with auto and options CQ, CP, and CF. Thats amfmcd, 15 inch wheels, rear wiper/washer, daytime running lights, mp3 playback capability, floor and cargo mats, tire pressure warning system, and ABS. The ding dong instrument cluster points straight back unlike the ECHOs which is angled towards the driver. It pretty hard too see the gas gauge and ODO/trip which are on the right side of the cluster.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    5 doors or 3? And which is peppier around town, the Yaris or the Echo? Or are they both about the same?

    And hey, I thought all the '09 Yarises had ABS and TPMS. That's what the sticker on the window says (not the Monroney sticker, but the one Toyota slaps on advertising all the features of the Yaris).

    Do you still have an Echo left at home, or is it just your son that has one now?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Its a 3 door. Still have the origional 2001 silver five speed which my wife drives to work now. It will be nine years old this November. Tried to sell it but got no takers. So we keep it as a "Spare". Also my son is driving the 2000 auto ECHO to school and work. I drive like the proverbial slug so the five speed (VVT with intelligence) has been trained to be sluglike also. The Yaris hasnt learned my behavoir yet so its still quite peppy. Yes its very peppy I was suprised given its higher weight. Parked next to the old ECHO it is also quite a bit shorter! It has the "drive be wire" without a cable between the throttle and engine. Its quite tricky to moderate the throttle when accelerating from stopped. You push quite hard but it doesnt go! Im getting the hang of it but much prefer the cable thankyou very much! Otherwise the car drives like a dream. It seems to be a much bigger car!
    Yes the Yaris came with ABS and tire monitoring. I wonder how the TM works? Is there wires and hoses going to the wheel?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    From what I understand, TPMS involves micro transmitters in the wheels which send the tire pressures to the computer. And I agree with your assessment of Toyota's throttle by wire, it may end up being a factor in my having bought my last Toyota. The e-throttle in my Matrix is just a pain in the neck, and I don't understand how Toyota could get something so simple wrong when every other manufacturer seems not to have a problem with it.

    And it's even more important when you drive a stick and have to try to manage launches from stoplights with the silly thing.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    The e-throttle in my Matrix is just a pain in the neck, and I don't understand how Toyota could get something so simple wrong when every other manufacturer seems not to have a problem with it.

    And it's even more important when you drive a stick and have to try to manage launches from stoplights with the silly thing.


    I remember reading complaints about the drive-by-wire that Toyota uses, but also other manufacturers?

    I have a '07 manual Camry with the drive-by-wire accelerator Yes, it's different, and takes some getting used to, but I have no complaints anymore. At first, yes, it was a pain.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    You mean if you replace a wheel you lose the TPMS? I keep a mounted spare in the basement for eveery car i own because of getting nails in the tires so often. Im thinking these 15 inch wheels are the same as on the wifes Base Camry?
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Yes, you have to have the special valve stem mounted on the wheel, or it will give you a fault light.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Hmmm how much are the stems? I mean, theyve got to be replaced when you have the tires changed, right?

    NEWS FLASH! According to the parts department at Toyota the stems are $102 each! They are metal so they should last longer. But when they go its gonna cost you if you want TPMS. I wonder can you use Ford etc ones which might be less? Hmmm tire pressure gauge: FIVE DOLLARS!
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    When you get new tires, they just use the same part - they don't have to change it to a new one.

    I agree, it is not worth it, but it is a law the government passed years ago that is requiring car makers to put a tire pressure monitoring system on all the new cars as of a certain date. I've always checked my tires every week or two, and still do. The worst case is you take a piece of black electrical tape to shut the light off if it every goes bad and you don't want to spend the $.

    I am not aware of any aftermarket ones yet - if I ever have to, I'll probably use my aftermarket tape instead! I keep my cars at least 10 years (only got 2 years on the one with the tire pressure monitoring system). So far, so good. I know the system could be a big help if you get a nail in your tire or something that causes a slow leak on a long trip, so it isn't all bad, I guess.
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