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Toyota Echo



  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    Well, I have been driving in snow the last few days and I am surprised by how good the car handles. I have a set of dedicated snow tires and it makes a world of difference. I got the cheapest snow tires available from Walmart and this is the third season I use them. If the right tires save your hide just once they are definitively worth the investment.
    Yesterday evening the driving through freezing rain was horrible for most everybody in my neighbourhood except me. Of course common sense dictates slowing down and adapting your driving to the weather conditions.
  • I am wondering if the Canadian Echo hatchback does better or worse than the sedan model in the snow...

    I think that the main factor in traction (for 2 wheel drive cars) is the percent of weight distribution on the driving wheels. Like Kneisl1, I too noticed phenomenal performance in my 1967 VW bug in slippery conditions. And my 1987 Sprint is maybe even better. (And that is without benefit of snow tires)

    I have not been able to find data on weight distribution for the Echo, or for any new cars, for that matter. I asked the Toyota dealer, but I think I just got a b.s. answer. Does anybody know a source for this information?
  • m4ethm4eth Posts: 101
    I have a set of Nokian Tires from Finland on my 2001 Echo..they work great!!! The orginal Potenza tires are rated only average in snow...see the Tire Rack for ratings. I still don't know why dealers sell dry climate tires for all regions...

    It would be nice to have a pick of the tire as an option for all you could get the tire you want for the driving you do.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Its amazing the excuses Prius owners have for thier car. Like, it seats five people whereas ECHO seats four. Duh!

    You are so right! That is one of the most ridiculous reasons I have ever heard for favoring one car over another--that it seats five while the other seats four (comfortably). I want to thank you because you have saved me from a costly mistake. I am going to call the Toyota dealer first thing tomorrow and cancel my Prius order. Then I'm going to buy an ECHO, a 4-door with automatic, power everything, heated mirrors, ABS with traction control and EBD, automatic climate control, alloys, voice-controlled navigation, side air bags and curtains, HID headlamps, VSD, steering-wheel controls for audio/climate/phone, cruise, Homelink, and the PZEV emissions option. Then whenever my entire family of five needs to go someplace, I'll just explain that someone needs to stay home. I think that is a small price to pay for the money I'll save buying the ECHO.

    Question for all the ECHO owners out there: has anyone done a hatchback conversion on an ECHO? I really like the versatility of the hatchback configuration, and the Yaris isn't available here unfortunately, nor are the Scion xA and xB--closest things to an ECHO hatchback in the States. If you did the conversion, what did it cost and what did it look like afterwards? Can you post a photo? Thanks.
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    I have had a 2002 and now a 2002 echo and so a few comments......
    Mileage on the 2002 prius was always in the mid to high 50's under any reasonable conditions. Same conditions for the echo mid to high 40's.
    Both cars good in the snow and ice with regular tires.
    Prius is a litle bigger but you are not going to have 3 adults in the back with alot of room in either car- Incl. the 2004 upgrade prius. Size is size but I have sen a lot of mid-size SUV's with no more room than this.
    Prius price new=$21500 22000 out the door.Price for the echo @9000 miles was $9150 out the door. Echo has remote keyless entry, ac, auto, split/fold seats, 3-in-1 6 speaker sound, cc, trunk and stroage spots all over the car incl. under the passenger seat, heated mirrors not needed here nor an alarm, safety ratings better than prius. Go the thing off e-bay and it is the best echo ever owned /tested.scion xa was cramped and had less room small trunk,and cost a lot more than a new loaded echo [dont see the advantage-utility/economy is the gold standard for this class...]
    So, you have to test drive-lookat-resaerch- make up your own mind.
    Under BEST mileage conditions I got 60 mpg in the prius on a long trip and 55 mpg in an echo.
    Don Gillespie
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    scion xb does look like a great choice for room to haul and economy relative to function!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    I dont want to be forced to pay twice as much for a car that gets 5 or 10 mpg more than my ECHO. The price of even a car like the Honda Civic is over $15,000 and heading UP. Where is it all going to end? The Prius is a car wealthy people buy so they can drive alone in the HUV lane in rush hour.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    I dont want to be forced to pay twice as much for a car that gets 5 or 10 mpg more than my ECHO.

    Who's forcing you? Keep your ECHO and drive happy!

    P.S. With the average price of a new car at around $25k now--which is what a fully-loaded Prius costs--there must be a lot of wealthy people in the U.S. Also I think very few states, Virginia for one, allow hybrid owners to drive in the HOV lanes with only the driver. So that's not a factor for most hybrid owners.
  • I recently read that the average new car price has exceeded $30,000.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    I happen to agree with kneisl1.

    The motivation for many to buy an Echo is frugality. I am one of those that want to drive a car that is inexpensive to by, to maintain and operate, excellent on gas with a low impact on the environment.

    To buy a Prius arguing that it get's outstanding mileage is in my view misguided. If you want to save, don't spend an extra $15k and buy an Echo. The extra mileage and savings achieved compared to an Echo is impossible to justify economically.

    If you have the $$ and want a car that get's very good MPGs, has a little bit more room, better ride and is at the cutting edge of technology, go ahead and get a Prius. But don't tell anybody you do it because you want to save money.

    Thank god we have plenty of choices when it comes to buying cars and I support freedom of choice, please don't misunderstand my comment.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    I heard they allow them to do that in California. Also in California the law forces automakeers to sell so many cars a year that get very high mileage. So the automakers come up with outlandish cars like the Prius that they charge a fortune for. If ECHO is discontinued we just might be stuck with something like the Prius. Hybrids are an idea whose time has die!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    I agree that if the ECHO can meet your needs, it's economically a better choice than a Prius. But the ECHO doesn't meet everyone's needs. For me, the alternative to a Prius is not an ECHO or a small car like it, but a minivan or a mid-sized station wagon. At best, those vehicles will give me 20 mpg in city driving. My Caravan is getting 13 mpg right now in very cold weather. I'm no dummy. I've done the math. For me, for my needs, the Prius is lower cost than the alternatives. I don't see why some people are in such a snit about a midsized car that gets high mpg, has super-low emissions, seats five, has hatchback versatility, lots of safety features, and some fun high-tech gadgets too--all for a price that is less than the average new car price these days. If the ECHO is the right car for you, that is great. It's just not the right car for everyone. Neither is the Prius. Live and let live.
  • sfechosfecho Posts: 26
    I was in Costa Rica last week and it was an Echo paradise! Very few Hondas, BMWs, Fords etc. Without exaggeration, one in ten cars was an Echo. The Costa Rican cars are called Yaris, but they weren't the European version of the Yaris with the hatchback, just an American Echo with a different name. Costa Rica is a great travel destination, great scenery, a huge variety of plants and animals... cheap prices.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    I agree with you. A Prius is a great car and I'm sure its fun and rewarding to drive.

    I just think it is hilarious when people say it is so economical.
    Excellent mileage: YES.
    Economical: NO.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Economical compared to an ECHO--no.
    Economical compared to a minivan--yes.
  • This is for the host. Why is it that a search within this Echo discussion goes through 2 million posts? It ties up my system and I end up exiting the search because it takes too long. It never used to be like this. Why the change?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I don't know why the display says that. If you say Search This Discussion, that's all you are searching. I find the search feature to be remarkably fast, actually.
  • suvshopper4suvshopper4 Posts: 1,110
    According to the Associated Press, via the Philadelphia Inquirer, NHTSA has a new rollover test.
    The Echo was one of the early test vehicles, and did well.

    "Earning four stars were two SUVs, the Volvo XC90 and the Chevrolet Trailblazer 4x4; two station wagons, the Ford Focus and the Subaru Outback; the Chevrolet Silverado 4x4 and 4x2 pickups; and the compact Toyota Echo. Four stars means the likelihood of rolling over in a one-vehicle crash is 10 percent to 20 percent."
  • It must be this antiquated webtv system that's hanging up. I tried the search option within this Echo board again and it still takes too long. Another reason to junk this system.
  • Hi all. I still have my ECHO and I still love it. I've had it almost 4 years now and have put a little over 60,000 miles on it. It still runs brilliantly, with no maintainence issues to report. As an aside, I was driving home the other night and saw an ECHO taxi-cab. Pretty cool. There is also an auto parts business around here that uses ECHOs as delivery vehicles.

    I hope you all are well and happy!
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