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Toyota Echo

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  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    The NY Times on line has a story about some MORON who bought a Toyota Prius on ebay for $6000 OVER list price after being on a waiting list for 6 months for a new one. He estimates he will save $450 a year on gas at todays prices. $32,000 to save $450 a year.
  • babyboomerbabyboomer Posts: 205
    Two descendants of the five dolphins used forty years ago in the TV series Flipper still live at the Miami Seaquarium.

    Their names are Sundance and Echo.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    At least their names arent Scion a and b.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    If youve changed your cars oil, air filter, and sparkplugs youve already done the mechanical part of the 30k mile scheduled maintenance. Now comes the inspection part of the deal. I will also include things to check that Toyota doesnt bother about, but which should be looked at. Also, a vehicle inspection such as this should be done more frequently as the car gets older. (like five years or more) Once a year would be good.
      The first thing we are going to check is the coolant level and cooling system in general. With the engine stone cold, remove the cap to the radiator. Its right there at the front of the engine compartment in the middle. There should be coolant right up to the cap. If there is, look behind the radiator to the left (left is left side of the car) and find the expansion tank. There is a line on it indicating where the level should be when full. If it is there is nothing further to do. If its not and/or the coolant level in the radiator wasnt up to the cap, there is more work to do. Get some antifreeze (I prefer to get it from Toyota) and some distilled water in a gallon container from the drugstore. In a separate CLEAN gallon container (like a milk jug with a screw top) pour two quarts of the antifreeze and two quarts of the distilled water and shake it. Into the half full gallon of antifreeze pour the half gallon of distilled water. Now you have two gallons of antifreeze, enough to add some for now and later and enough to change the antifreeze at a later date. LABEL THE MILK JUG FULL OF ANITFREEZE BEFORE YOU STORE IT.Get a funnel and fill the expansion tank up to the line on the tank and/or also fill the radiator up to the cap level. Put the cap on and start the engine. Drive the around to warm the engine up. Stop the car, put the transmission in PARK and put the handbrake on. In a manual transmission car, leave the transmission in neutral and apply the parking brake. With the engine running, lay on the ground so you can observe whats going on under the engine. You are looking for leaks. The place to look is under the engine on the right side of the car (which is where the water pump is) and across the front of the car where the radiator is. Look for at least five minutes as it may only drip once or twice in that time. If you see dripping coolant youre going to need to take the car in to have it fixed. No leaks? Well, maybe all is OK and maybe not. For the next week or so, whenever you drive the car, look under it for leaks. If you park it in the same place every night, you can put a large piece of cardboard under it and inspect it in the morning for drips. A week after checking the coolant level, check it again. If its OK check it again in another week. Is the level in the radiator and expansion tank full? If so then all is well. If not you have to add coolant and check it again next week. If you are adding coolant on a regular basis you better have a shop look at it. Any or all of the following may need attention. The water pump could be shot (on Toyotas they usually go over 100k miles before going) the coolant hoses may be worn out and leaking, or the radiator itself may be leaking. Have a shop check it out and fix it.
  • natashadtnatashadt Posts: 14
    I am a 20 year old college student. Searching the top ten list for the least expensive cars, I found the toyota ECHO. I am considering buying the echo. I plan to put at least 2500 down as a down payment. I want my payments to be no more than about 215 a month. Am I going about this the right way?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Echo, Scion xA and Scion xB all are based on same chassis and engine. The Scions have more standard equipment and are a better value than the Echo.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    A better value if you can come up with the money would be to snag a used ECHO. $8000 should get you a 2001 with less than 30k on it. New ECHOs are getting scarce at least in NJ. I would stay away from the Scion as they are having quality control issues, as incredible as that may seem for a Toyota. Also a new ECHO will require very expensice insurance payments a used one wont have (if you dont borrow the money)
  • lakelandfllakelandfl Posts: 10
    Yes buy the Echo you will love it . I still love my Echo very very much it has been a great car and for the money it's the best small car on the road .
  • m4priusm4prius Posts: 31
    Kneisl1...can you give me specifics on quality control issues for the Scion???

    Note: I have an Echo and love it...however was considering getting another vehicle like the XB since it had loads of space for folks in the back and has similar mechanicals as the ECHO.

    Has it been confirmed that this is the last production year for the ECHO??

    Thanks,

    Mike
  • m4priusm4prius Posts: 31
    A Scion Review from a Web Posting on XA:

    "I think most consumers equate Toyota with high quality, which is why we were both surprised to see some flaws in our test car. There were noticeable gaps at the top of the A-pillars and wavy rubber gaskets around the rear windows. We were also a bit dismayed by what was under the hood. Our Scion came equipped with a twin-cam 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine that makes 108 horsepower and is linked to a five-speed manual transmission. The engine is noisy, especially at highway speeds, and it's short on power, particularly when you're trying to overtake or merge into heavy freeway traffic. We both thought the suspension felt stiff and harsh, and the front bucket seats, while stylish looking, need more lateral support. Basically, you get out of the xA shaking your head and wondering how the xA and the xB, from the same brand, could deliver such different impressions."
  • natashadtnatashadt Posts: 14
    New Echos or just Echos period are scarce here in Mississippi. Why do you think that getting a used Echo would be a better value other than insurance? How much do think I should expect to pay for insurance new or used?
  • katetxkatetx Posts: 5
    Used is usally an excellent way to go...especially with a reliable car such as a Toyota. You are letting someone else take the hit on the depreciation instead of you. My first car was a 1991 Toyota Corolla back when I graduated from College. I found that car to be very reliable. I just kept up with the basic maintenance such as oil changes etc.. and it ran great. I kept this car for 9 years and had over 100,000 miles when I sold it. I think you will be happy with the Echo also because of the mpg rating.
    I think the Echo is definetly a contender in value, reliability etc..
    Whatever you decide good luck.
  • natashadtnatashadt Posts: 14
    What do you think about getting a car from a private car auction?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    This survey of initial quality found the Scions had a defect count of 181 per 100 vehicles, the HIGHEST of any car.
  • babyboomerbabyboomer Posts: 205
    What was the defect count for the Echo?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    I didnt see any defect count for ECHO. I suggest trying the Powers website, Ill look there today.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    I got some results for the ECHO, but i could not find the latest survey data. The results that were there are a little strange. For instance, the ECHO scored higher on STYLING than it did on anything else. Makes you question the whole thing. I note there is a lot of fuss recently about Korean vehicles scoring higher in initial quality than European vehicles. That is misleading because on quality over time they score the WORST of any vehicle. Which is what matters. I CAN tell you that my 2001 ECHO has had ZERO defects even after three and a half years and 22k miles.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    That is misleading because on quality over time they score the WORST of any vehicle.

    Well, that is misleading also. What kind of time frame are you referring to? What scores are you referring to?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    This was from an article in the NY Times about the report itself, quite some time ago possibly a month. It was the NY Times on the web if you care to search it. You could also search the JD Power site.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Based on the 2004 JD Power VDS (based on 2001 vehicles), your statement is incorrect. Some Korean vehicles in that study did better than non-Korean vehicles. Based on other studies on long-term reliability, e.g. CR's study of 2001 vehicles, your statement is incorrect. There, the Korean vehicles rated in the study were just below the survey average, ahead of many other makes.
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