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Toyota Echo



  • danny28danny28 Posts: 158
    sorry, >>>"gasoline and jet
    fuel" area.<<<
    should read >>>"gasoline and jet
    fuel" era.<<<
  • danny28danny28 Posts: 158
    re "first car":
    My only reservation about the Echo as a first car is that many 16 year old drivers, including all my sons and yours truly had at least one fender bender in their first year of driving, and i think it would be a crime to expose such a masterpiece of engineering to that, when there are lots of gas guzzlers around which deserve to be "taken out" in that fashion. I might add that my now grown up daughter did beat the odds and has driven over 5 years with zero accidents. Perhaps a 16 year old female can buy an Echo as a first car and give it the love and attention it deserves ??
  • danny28danny28 Posts: 158
    I've been thinking about your question about bicycle transport and have this to offer:

    I have carried one bicycle easily by dropping down the rear seat in my Echo 2dr, and sliding it in the back. i think that this may be possible with up to 2 bikes.

    Beyond that, or if you have a carload as well as the bikes, DRAWTITE corporation make an excellent trailer hitch for the Echo. I have one installed on mine. it comes with a removeable ball and mount which fits into a square socket under the bumper.

    They or others may be able to supply you with a bicycle rack which also fits into the square socket. This hitch is a class A one which means it is rated at 2000# gross load and a 200# vertical tongue load - IE 200# straight down on the hitch. It is therefore easily strong enough to support the weight of 2 or so bicycles. The racks that I have seen around also usually attach back to the rear fenders around the trunk opening for lateral stability. I hope that this helps you.
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    The placement of the gauges are perfect!! I love where they are and dont know why car companies didnt put them there sooner!! For those who think they are confusing and "awful" then why dont you take the ECHO out for a drive and see how it only takes about 5 minutes to get comfortable with the placement...I have had my ECHO for 2 months now and Im so glad I chose it over the civic, and the corolla, its just a fun car to drive!
  • My autobytel rep was released by the dealership
    owner one week before Thanksgiving. The ex-rep called me to tell me who he was turning my account over to and wished me well. I called the manager
    and he seemed very understanding. Yet I have
    mixed emotions as I still want my ordered Echo but
    have to deal with another salesman. The new salesman has not contacted me yet. I have not signed anything but did make an initial deposit of $250. Anybody have any advice as to how I should proceed?
  • Ok, I will admit that I have yet to drive the Echo, and I'm sure it rides well for the size that it is. However, I still think that I'm entitled to my opinion.
    I think the gauges are awful for two reasons. First, they are in the middle of the car. I don't know about you guys, but when I'm driving, I like to look straight ahead. If I were looking to the side, it would take my attention away from driving, just like a radio does, and we all know that radios have cause many accidents.
    Second, the dials are so small I feel I would need a magnifying glass just to see them. If Toyota was going to put this in the middle, at least make it big enough.
    And for those of you wondering, yes I have been inside the Echo, and surprisingly I liked the interior. I think Toyota did a wonderful job of putting all those cubbie holes in, and there is a airy feeling inside the cabin. But I still don't like the gauges.
    You don't have to own a car to know what it's like. I've never owned a Cavalier, but I know I don't like those either.
    And no matter what people say, the Echo is overpriced, but you're paying for Toyota quality, which for some, justifies the money. As for me, I know I can have a better car, or at least equal, for less money.
  • And I do not own an ECHO...yet. Put in the nice
    quality interior of the Sienna + Cruise and ECHO would fill my needs. My wife and I were both very impressed with ECHO we test drove in Fall 1999. It
    had great performance, comfort, economy and felt much larger inside than exterior dimensions would indicate. PT Cruiser is the only other sedan we would even consider. The PT Cruiser is much more
    expensive and uses about twice as much fuel. All other sedans have uncomfortable seating height.
  • I find it odd that folks complain about the placement of the gauge cluster on the Echo , but don't complain about the placement of the rearview mirrors, don't they take their eyes off the road to check them?.
    I don't know about most people, but I was taught to check what's ahead of me but also to the side,ie: traffic turning onto and off the roadway I'm on. Also to check my sideview mirrors to see what's coming alongside on either side of me.

    An accident investigator that I knew had a term that escapes me right now had a term that was used to describe the cause of many accidents.
    Something like, optical fixation, I think. It's premise was that the average driver only looks at what's directly what's in front of them and in the split second just before an avoidable collision, that fixation is the time that could have been used for reactive response from the brain. This is been studied and confirmed by a number of government agencies,specifically NHTSA, DOT, and DOD .

    So to those of you wondering or complaining about the placement of the speedometer, ask yourself this, how much time is actually spent looking at the speedometer and how much time is spent scanning the road to each side ahead and to the side. Seems to me that speedometer watching time would be a small percentage compared the the rest. Accident avoidance though the use studying the effects optical fixation was the reasoning of Toyotas' placement of the much talked about gauge cluster. Just my humble opinion.
  • I agree that the placement isn't a problem. The standard placement requires the driver to look straight down approximatly 21 degrees. The Echo's placement requires to look right approx. 14 degrees. Are the people who complain about it aware that, even though the gauges are centered, they ARE actually angled towards the driver? And about the size of the gauges, if the numbers on the speedometer were any bigger they would look rediculous. The only complaint I had was no tach but that was easily installed on the steering column where "standard" gauges would be.

    Mine is almost 6 months old and 16,500 miles. Couldn't be happier with it!
  • We have used our Echo day in day out for 4 months and I don't think the gauge placement is "awful" at all. When driving head / eye movement is side to side. High gauge placement keeps the focus up (where the windows are!)

    As for providing a car for the review. I would guess that tons of people who claim to be reviewers ask Toyota for a car all the time and Toyota has to figure out if the request is valid. Edmunds chose to post personal editorial venting posed as a review, so I guess that Toyota decided they were not serious. Edmunds chose to do what they did, and it hurt their credibility.

    Now that the review is in place (that I don't need to agree with to respect), I am feeling that there are serious people in Edmunds who may have learned from their mistakes.

    I am sure that Edmunds can earn back the position as credible auto industry press without kissing up to Toyota (which I would not respect either).

    We love our Echo, and as it stands we plan to replace our '88 Corolla with an Echo in the spring!
  • I would not worry that the salesman has left the dealership. You have a binding contract with the dealer not him. I would give the dealership a week and then call the owner and let him know that you are expecting the new salesman to give you a call to touch base.

    I am wondering how Moses and Melody did in their Echos last night in the first snowfall of the winter. Did they handle all right for you two?

    I did not see the announcement where Toyota is withholding test vehicles from Edmunds. I was one of the biggest complainers about the initial review of the 2001 Toyota Echo, but I do not agree with Toyota withholding vehicles. They don't have to give them a vehicle, but I think they are wrong.

    I am putting in some overtime today and tomorrow and I need to get going so just wanted to say see you later.
  • Could someone provide a direct link to the source of this witholding issue? I'd like to read the article firsthand.
  • Personally I am very glad Edmunds stuck to thier guns. Integrity is very lacking in the Auto review industry. You get glowing reviews of practically everthing from the mainstream mags.

    I understand that owners can be defensive about their car choices, it seems moreso when their choices are not mainstream.

    But the Gauge placement is odd. True that no-one owning the car is saying that, but why would anyone buy a car that they thought had odd gauge placement.

    To me the echo is just an Oddly styled Tercel. Thats another car I would never purchase.

    There was a discussion exactly like this in an
    forum at work. The results were the same: Staunch owner-defenders, and a lot of people who thought the car is an odd duck.

    Every single friend of mine I have chatted with
    thinks these cars are ugly.

    When you buy a "Unique" car like and Echo or and Aztec, you get used to defending it, I guess.

  • To find out what all the withholding fuss is about, just go to the main home page. Under "What's New" there is a brand new review of the 2001 Toyota Echo and it's in here that you'll find the story of Toyota initially not releasing a press car to Edmunds. (This was later smoothed over after further discussion with a Toyota executive).

    Fellow Echo Posters -- if you haven't looked at the "Consumer Comments" link attached to the new Edmunds review, give it a look. Many of us are quoted in it!
  • Hey I can't see the outside when I'm inside it. Sure the gauges are ODD, but they certainly aren't "awful" which was what we were discussing.
  • Ha Toyota actuallt has been able to unload a few of these "expensive" cheap cars!!! What a joke!! I have owned my 2000 Sunfire for 1 year now and it gives me twice as many options for my money!! I was seriously considering a Echo, but the Pontiac had a better lease. As for reliablity I don't care its a lease! But so far the only problem that I have had was a burned out lightbulb in the headlight. Not so bad for almost 25,000 miles. My Sun could blast your echopod off the road. Oh wait your're already being blasted of the road on windy days lol.
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    Id rather have half the options and pay more than drive any domestic..but setting my opinion aside dont turn this into a yahoo message board with the mines better than your mentality!
  • I thought that the echo is classified as a domestic car because it is built in america and contains american sourced parts.
  • mdrewmdrew Posts: 32
    a major reason for its great reliability, which still seems to be a minor factor to Edmunds compared to things like the "dopey" gauge placement, which doesn't seem to bother actual Echo owners since it is very easy to read. If you can't read the speedometer on that thing, you shouldn't be on the road. The rest of the gauges are mostly idiot lights that never come on my car to begin with, except the cold engine light. In the past I've had more trouble checking my speed through the steering wheel on a conventional gauge; I'm totally sold on the Echo style gauge but it wouldn't be the big reason I'd buy or not buy a car...
  • Go to and rate your Echo.
    I tried to copy and paste some of the titles:

    Consumer Test Drive
    2000 Toyota Echo
    Average Rating:
    4 out of possible 5 (out of 9 reviews)
    Detailed Reviews
    Overall Ratings

    We just love this little car. It has more ge...
    I think that the car has good pickup. The ai...
    The ECHO is low-end forgine import with a
    The Echo drove very nicely and is a neat litt...
    Great gas mileage! I test drove a number of...
    I love my car! It's actually my commute car.....
    It drives like a zippy car should...the get u...
    The Echo handled well throughout...
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