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Toyota Echo



  • rjgeerjgee Posts: 27
    I do most maintenance on schedule. Belts at 60k, whether they need it or not. (although I've slipped on the latest belt change; 11k over). Visual exam on the belts today - they still look fine - no cracks, but I tend to like to avoid problems so will change them as soon as it gets a little warmer.

    PCV should be changed yearly / maybe every other year; its a standard maintenance tune up item. Good rule of thumb, change your plugs - change your pcv. Although you can check them for blockage, they are cheap enough to just change...

    Rear brakes have only been changed once; last check was at 180k and they were still fine.

    Also replaced the struts around 180k (although there was still had some life left on the old ones).

    And yes, by tailpipe, I meant exhaust pipe. On the echo, its 1 long piece, including the catalytic converter. (The muffler is seperate, though).
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    I mentioned in a previous post that Toyota offers a lifetime warranty with labor on mufflers and shocks/struts. (at least it says that in my owners manual.) I would have to think thats the way to go. When my 240D was 14 years old and had 120k miles on it I put an aftermarket exhaust system on it for $300. ($1000 for OEM) It lasted 3 years. The one I replaced was origional.
    After 5 years nothing has worn out on my ECHO. I expect the first thing to go will be the battery. Then the muffler and belts followed closely by the brake pads/shoes. Im hoping to go 10 years and 60k miles just doing the battery and belts.
    Say did you ever have your valves adjusted? :)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I can't quite get to 40 mpg - filled up today, 402 miles, 10.25 gallons, which I guess is about 39 mpg. The running average is also evening out around 39. Not bad for around-town driving with defrost-linked A/C running a good portion of the time, but I was challenging myself to make the 40 mark, and I guess I will have to wait until summer, if then.

    I did learn that the gas warning light starts to blink at around 2 gallons remaining, and that the bottom hash of the fuel gauge represents around 1.5 gallons remaining. Good to know.

    I will do a few more tanks to get a solid mpg average, and then decide if I want to risk reducing it by putting on bigger tires. Since high fuel economy is one of the main reasons I bought this car, I don't want to toss that advantage out the window just for slightly better cornering and high speed stability.

    I am surprised to hear the above poster didn't replace the original struts until 180K miles. I would probably do them before then just because it is hard to detect them wearing out, if you are the one driving the car every day.

    Is this car supposed to have regular valve adjustments?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Yes the valve adjustment is supposed to be checked every 60k miles. Theres bad news and good news. The bad news is that the adjustment, if its needed, involves taking out the camshafts. Which is hard to do because the engine sits sideways and its difficult to access the right side of the engine to remove the belts and timing chain. Basically, the valve adjustment system is the same as a modern day motorcycles. Its not typical of a cars engine at all. So Im afraid even your Toyota mechanic isnt going to be familiar with it. (and there arent a lot of ECHOs out there to practice on) I have done this adjustment many times on motorcycles I have owned, but I doubt I could do the adjustment on the ECHO because of the tight space around the timing chain.
    Now for the good news. Once the adjustment is set in this system, it tends to stay set. My Honda ST1100 stayed in adjustment for hundreds of thousands of miles and thats a high performance motorcycle. (and the ECHOs engine is a high performance car engine!) Also, it isnt hard to CHECK the adjustment. Its about as difficult as replacing the sparkplugs. A little more involved but nothing you couldnt handle. Furthermore, the range of permissible clearance is fairly wide. And even if the clearance gets a little loose it probably wont hurt anything. If the clearances get tight however, you could burn the valve faces. Thats the downside.
    So what should ECHO owners be doing? Well, at 60k miles the clearances should be checked. They will probably be fine. Even if they are a little on the loose side, that isnt a problem. The problem will be if they are tight. I mean REALLY tight. Its probably a good idea to be talking with your Toyota dealer to find out if they are able to do this adjustment. Its possible there are independed machanics who could do it, but rememeber this is NOT a typical car engine. But you need to find someone who does this as a regular thing and can prove it.
    I will be checking mine in another five years and try to find someone I think can do it if they need adjusting.
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    I have a red 2000 echo that is fully loaded along with a remote start/alarm and cruise control ]added] and has only 28,000 miles on it! It had 25,000 when I got it back in Nov. 2005 but have put some long freeway trips on it since then........fully serviced for the 5 year mark by a good Toyoyta service dept. I thought I would use the car on my current travel job but found out that the fed. govt. is going to give me a vehicle and gas card!!?/!
    So, should I sell this vehicle or keep it? How much is it worth..runs like a scalded dog [100 mph going UPHILL on an unnamed eastern mtn. freeway] and smooth as a bay's butt @ 70-75 mph.....?
    Don Gillespie
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I assume it is a 4-door? If so, I figure with only 28K it would still be worth $9-10K, despite the age in years. Is it under any kind of warranty?

    As for keeping or selling, it comes down to whether or not you have any other cars of your own. If I had a "company car", I would still keep my own car on the side, but that's just me. I drive a lot and usually have two. You have to bear in mind, though, that if you keep it you will pay several hundred dollars a year in insurance and reg, a little bit of maintenance, etc.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    Thanks for your input! I also have a 2003 honda civic LX on a lease for another year or so...40-42 mpg @70 mph so it is my 'low-mileage gas guzzler'...the echo does 45 mpg and was 5 years in the bronx only [per carfax] which explains the mileage...I was going to price it @ $9000 +/- on in a week or so and see what happens!
    ATL, GA
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Tell us what you get for it so we have a reference. You can find ECHOs with 50k on them around here for $5000 if you look around. Then again, the dealer will have the same car for $12,000.
    Note: Blue Book for a 2000 ECHO in excellent condition with 28k miles, ac, and auto transmission in the Philadelphia area is $6500.
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    On this 2000 echo, you have to add power steering,3 in 1 sound system, fold down rear seats, cruise control,new floor mats, remote start/alarm, alloy wheels, digital clock, ALL 5 year/60,000 mile servicing done [$750 with 10% discount to be exact..counts factory and dealer reccomended srevice!], excellent tires, and the fact that this car is now down south ...where they do not use a lot of salt!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Ok just quoting the blue book! Unfortunately the ECHO is a terribly unpopular car here in the US. Which is wrong but what can you do?
    Theres a much better market for the Civic than there is for the ECHO!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    this car has a BB value of $7000. However, when I was looking recently, I found that gas-sippers like Echo and Corolla are going for a premium right now, maybe because of spiking gas prices last year? I dunno. But if it is in that good a condition, you might be able to get $7500-8000 for it - I hope you have those service records.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I forgot to mention - last fill-up was 379 miles, 9.5 gallons, which is............40 mpg! :-)

    I was pleased, although of course my running average is only 39. All this driving has been in town, no hiway trips or anything, so the car is delivering on the FE I bought it for.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • i haven't had much trouble with it at all.
    i change the brake pads each year myself.
    my knowledge of cars and mechanics in general
    is very limited. basically, when there is a
    problem, i attempt to correct it myself. if
    i can't understand the problem, i ask a friend,
    a co-worker or recently the internet. if all else
    fails, i go to a mechanic. i had bad experiences
    with mechanics untill i met this fellow. he doesn't
    take advantage of my "mechanical disabilty" (ha)
    the biggest problem i had since i bought my ECHO
    was the a/c. it worked but never cold.
    in 3 years i needed a new compressor. it is the
    size of a 2 liter coke. it holds approx. .6lbs
    of freon because it is so small. that is why the
    a/c is only cool at best. the machamic who replaced
    it overfilled it with refrigerant. last summer it was
    very cold in the cab. i had a nice summer. i haven't
    been able to fix my blower because i can't take out
    the white plastic housing behind the glove compartment
    that will access the blower. i took out every screw i
    saw with no luck. i guess this one needs a mechanic.
    so far, this is the best car i have ever owned.
    i want to change the spark plug wires but i wonder about
    the way it is taped around a plastic coil. i changed
    the plugs with busch plugs, 1 plug died and the
    "check engine" light appeared. that led to replacing the
    catalytic converter at a cost of $700. struts were $370.
    i changed them after 200,000 miles of driving. WHAT A CAR!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    >...40 mpg!I cant take out the white plastic housing behind the glove compartment that will accss the blower>

    The manual says you have to remove the computer after you remove the glove compartment door. Did you get the computer out?
  • Yep, got all of the service records from reinhardt toyota in montgomery,al where the servicing was done!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    a trip to San Diego in the little guy just to see how good my fuel economy could get. On the way down (600 miles or so each way) I held the speed to no more than 72 mph, running without the A/C (driving at night), and managed about 46 mpg. Was quite impressed.

    On the way back, I drove halfway with the A/C running, and often at speeds over 80, and only managed about 40 mpg, so the A/C and high speeds definitely have an impact on the FE. I know, I know, DUH! Right? I was a little surprised at just how much it impacted it. I will have to figure out if it is the high speeds or the A/C that really knocks down the FE in this car. Additional future testing! :-)

    More than one reviewer knocked this car for poor long-distance comfort and support from the seats, but I found it to be more comfortable than a number of other cars I have had, even after six hours at a stretch.

    It was 88 degrees where I was at yesterday, and the A/C performed like a champ. Quick to cool the car (which is pretty small after all), and very good at maintaining the temp once achieved.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Your mileage coresponds to my experience with my 2001 five speed manual in every instance. I once got 51 mpg driving the car for 200 miles at a steady speed of 60 mph, in summer, no AC. Driving it a steady 80 mph for a 500 mile trip, no AC, summer or winter, resulted in 40-43 mpg on numerous occasions.
    I have not experienced problems with the AC cooling the car as others have, although the air coming out of the vents is not as cold as some cars I have driven. I suspect these problems result from not putting the air lever on recirculation.
    Although I weigh 250 pounds I am very comfortable driving my ECHO even on long trips. No problems there at all. Additionally, because it sits so high, getting in and out of the car is easy too. Its easier than getting onto and out of my wifes 2005 Camry and thats a BIG car.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    we have a parking lot with long spaces, and I put my car all the way in. There is a lady with a Suburban that often parks next to me (which is about twice the length), and quite often there is a minivan on the other side. It amuses me to no end to see people pull up and make the turn thinking my space is empty, only to discover my car is in there and pull up short.


    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Watch out your ECHO doesnt get hit. The drivers think the space is empty, dont watch where they're going, and cant stop when they see the vehicle. :cry: Its best not to pull all the way into the parking space. Just pull in so the rear bumper lines up with the rear bumpers of the cars next to it. :)
  • I've had my 2000 Echo for about 3 years now with no problems. Recently I was in a car accident where I sustained a little over 3500 worth of damage(to the passenger door and quarter panel). My question is... is it even worth it to repair? I've been looking into buying another one anyway. Does anyone know if it's possible to get trade in value on a car in this condition? Other than the body damage, the car drives perfectly.
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