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Toyota Echo

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  • slackurslackur Posts: 1
    Hi, my Echo developed a clicking noise under the hood. It does not speed up as I accelerate, it actually seems to go away when I am pressing on the gas pedal. It speeds up when I kick on the AC. When I start the car it takes a min before it begins to make the clicking sound. On the way home from work I noticed that the sound would come and go. Pretty annoying and not sure what to look at. Any tips?

    Thanks
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Who from the old days is still checking this forum?

    I wish I had an ECHO but my son still has his!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I still stop by occasionally. My brother in law has my old Echo, now passing 185K and still going strong, and still no repairs EVER! Quite a record. He did finally have to replace the front brake pads though, something I never did the whole time (10 years, 165K miles) I had it.

    My '12 Yaris SE is much much more fun to drive, what with the vastly improved handling and somewhat better steering as well. The deal-breaker in this car is unfortunately the throttle-by-wire, which is so calibrated so poorly that you have to count one-one-thousand-two-one-thousand after you press the gas pedal before the engine starts to rev. And it actually has "dead" space - the first couple inches of travel of the pedal don't cause the engine to rev at all, even if you sit there for a count of ten.

    I think they do it in the name of fuel efficiency, but all it does is irritate the driver immensely and make the stick-shift version almost impossible to drive smoothly. This is the first time I have ever leased, and I was sort of thinking of buying it at the end of the lease when I first picked it up. Now I think they would have to offer me a really great deal, WAY below the residual price listed in the paperwork, for me to buy this out of the lease, just because of that issue.

    It's still great as cheap transportation though, and I continue to pull 40 MPG on average, which is nice even though gas prices really didn't jump up this summer like in years past.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    To deal with the throttle lag with an automatic you can just take your foot off the brake and let it roll. Once you are moving then give it a little gas. It makes for smoother starts. Perhaps you can do something similiar with a manual I dont know.

    I think more people are buying small cars now and that may be the reason for the price stability of gas. Certainly the average use of a vehicle, a short trip to work with a single occupant, doesnt justify a Ford F150 with a V8 engine, or even a V6 in a sedan. Buying a big car which is what the public does, gaurantees they will pay through the nose for gas. Its like putting a sign on your back that says "KICK ME!"

    Dont worry gas is going up in the long run...
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    edited August 2013
    What's so annoying about the throttle lag in the Yaris is that it is the result of a design choice. They could have designed it to rev quickly and promptly whenever there was any input from the gas pedal, but they chose not to.

    My Subaru also has e-throttle, but it revs right away and quickly with pressure on the gas pedal. Toyota should have made the one in the Yaris mimic the old days of being connected to the throttle plate by a cable more than they did.

    My old Echo was old enough to still actually have a cable connection to the throttle. I miss that soooo much in the car that replaced it.... :-(

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Wow I was stunned when I got my Yaris and encountered the throttle lag due to e throttle. I shouldnt have been suprised my wifes 04 Camry has it too. Im even MORE shocked to hear that Subaru doesnt do it even with e throttle! To me its a safety issue. A potentially serious one. What happens manuvering in tight spaces for instance when you cant control the car?Not good!

    Are you on Yaris World?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I am, but I can't recall the last time I actually visited there... will have to check it out again soon.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    They have a helper CT Scott who is amazing. He came up with a $10 way to add cruise control (its all in the computer not cables and servos anymore) and I did it to my YAris and it works!
  • soldatsoldat Posts: 2
    Well, I'm not from the 'old days', but I've been researching on here for about three years... Does that count? :-)

    I bought a 2000 Echo with about 155k miles three years ago for a second car, and have been extremely pleased with it. Only real issue right now is a recurring problem with auto trans slipping. problem begins with while driving residential speed of maybe 30mph trans will slip, or disengage, engine revs, and after coasting a few seconds, will reengage and function normally. however at same time, speedometer will go crazy; down to zero, bounce back up, etc. Check engine light comes on also. speedometer error will continue even if trans does not slip anymore. condition will persist maybe several days intermittently, and then disappear for many months. Normal use of the car is usually around only 150 miles per month. I found a similar posting here; any suggestions?

    Thanks guys...
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Wow you are brave! :D

    At 150 miles a month/1500 miles a year it doesnt make sense to fix it. Just take your foot off the gas when it slips. Just drive it!

    Is the trans oil level good?

    Get a used trans from a junkyard and have a shop put it in. Either now or when it goes.

    Please post whenever you feel like it!

    The ECHO is too good a car not to have followers and a place people who own them/have problems can talk about!

    And its lonely being the only one here! :cry:
  • soldatsoldat Posts: 2
    Roger that; it's a dang good car, and we have no intention of letting it go... :-) Was just taking a shot in the dark here to see if it may have been a known problem with a possible easy fix by changing out a sensor component or something. I also need to change out the fuel gauge illumination bulb; thought I had seen that here once but can't seem to locate the posting now. I'm also thinking about trying to fix the climate control air flow direction knob, but don't know how deep I'd have to go. Air blows now only thru dash vents. A/C blows icy cold, but would be nice to have selection for heat and defog. Of course, doesn't stay cold for too long here in Texas... :-) Just put four new tires on last month for grins; can't beat $300 deal!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Sounds like a lot of work and difficult to do....

    But keep in touch and the best of luck with your ECHO!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    with my friend who I gave my '02 Echo to, and he now has 192K miles on it. He has had a couple of minor fender benders and the rear outside door handles are now flapping around loosely - the spring that is supposed to make them sit flat is broken I guess - but he still has had no mechanical repairs of any kind. He has changed the oil once or twice and that is it.

    It's a good thing too, because he is trying to pay off his wife's car before replacing the Echo, and so hopes to get another couple of years out of the old Echo. I told him he had to let me know when it crosses the 200K threshold. ;-)

    Mine was a 5-speed, 4-door. And on a sidenote: I just traded in the '12 Yaris that replaced it. Just not a good enough car to go on paying for after the lease was up. Did not have the purity of purpose the Echo had, and felt much cheaper, more poorly designed, and less well put together than the Echo. So I have moved up to a Civic SI and put Toyota in my rear-view mirror - first time in 25 years I haven't owned a Toyota, and not sure when I will be going back, if ever.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    I agree there is no replacement for the ECHO today on the market.

    MY 09 Yaris has needed a water pump and the oil pressure sensor recently leaked and had to be replaced! 35k miles.

    Still I feel the Yaris is the only thing out there for me...
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    There seems to be a strong consensus out there that Fit and Fiesta are both very worthy alternatives to the Yaris...and to those I would add that I know a couple of people who have bought Accents and been very happy with them...just saying, in case you might want to look at an alternative... ;-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    Yes and theres the Mazda 2 and mitsubishi has come out with a Fit clone. Not to mention the 1.2 liter car made in Korea Chevy is selling.

    Its possible I will swap my Yaris for my sons 2000 ECHO. It has ~200k and my son needs a newer car maybe. I just need to drive to work for another year...

    All in all I think my new car buying days are over.
  • mnmanmnman Posts: 27

    I haven't checked in for a few years but I still drive my 01 Echo sedan daily. It's been banged up by bigger cars but at 184,000 miles it still drives like new. I finally replaced the battery this winter, I thought it'd never die! 13 years in a very cold climate, good job Toyota!

  • mnmanmnman Posts: 27

    I put Cooper snow tires on the Echo and it makes all the difference in winter driving! When my Echo does meet it's end I'll buy another one! A great money saver overlooked by many!

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683

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  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683

    @mnman said: I put Cooper snow tires on the Echo and it makes all the difference in winter driving! When my Echo does meet it's end I'll buy another one! A great money saver overlooked by many!

    The best small car made IMHO!

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