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Toyota Echo

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  • I purchased my silver Echo nine days ago, I just filled up and my gas economy was a little over 35 MPG, for mostly town driving. Thus far I have been pleased with it. It has four doors, a/c, p/s, cruise control, mats, side moldings and the extra mile option. It listed for $12,900. I paid $11,275. Invoice was $11,900. I believe that I received a fair deal from the dealer, but had to make several visits to the dealer over a two week period of time. I live in the Oklahoma City area.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    kneisl1: Yeah, I've seen it once. If a driver isn't noticing a low fuel gauge, why does Toyota think that this same driver will notice a little LCD icon? Common sense tells me that you need an attention-getting colored light for that purpose.

    The accident scene sounded gruesome -- a tragedy for the families involved. I wonder what the accident investigation will conclude about the cause of the accident.

    The Matrix seems to be a hit around Houston. I've seen several on the streets already. In contrast, it only seems only recently that the ECHO has been taken off my "rare sighting" list. While I'm sure that Toyota doesn't mind selling to the mature market (they tend to have money after all), I think that they are concerned about becoming what Buick or Lincoln was not too long ago -- a brand associated too much with a mature image.
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    If I was to be in the market for another car (if the ECHO wasnt available) I would def look into the Matrix, but oddly I have yet to see one on the road, Im from a city of 350,000 so I find that quite strange. And to the discussion of the age group of ECHO owners, I was 25 (year and a half ago) when I purchased my ECHO and I love the styling more so than the Focus or Civic.
  • photoboyphotoboy Posts: 18
    I noticed the gas low icon the very first time it came on and every time since. It seems to give more than enough fair warning as I still have about 1 gallon or more left in the tank.
    It's a crying shame if the Echo goes the way of the Paseo. I love my Echo, but the vehicle wasn't marketed to my age group (53) and maybe it should have been. I have had several people ask about it, both young and old. I think Toyota needs to push its attributes such as easy entry and exit, huge trunk, great gas mileage, uniqueness (center dash, which, by the way, I find a great safety feature!) and maybe fix a couple of things like non-remote mirrors.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Sorry I haven't been posting lately, but I am back to working twelve hour days and adding in eight hours for sleeping, I don't have a lot of free time anymore.

    I have over 32,000 miles on my 2001 Echo and he is still running great and still getting great fuel mileage numbers.

    This last part is great since gas is $1.32 a gallon around here and projected to go even higher soon.

    Hey Grn, do you know what happened to the Echo board over on Yahoo? I tried going there after an extended time away and Yahoo tells me there is no such club.

    Happy Echoing all.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Hey don't you know, it is not a safety feature, but rather because Toyota wanted to save money on making left and right hand drives. This must be true because the editors of Edmunds says so. ; )

    I wonder how Edmunds is reacting to the new Saturn Ion which also has a center mounted instrument cluster.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I think the idea the mirrors are not big enough might come from not adjusting them properly. When I first got my Echo I adjusted them like I always had been doing until I read an article in AMI Autoworld, I believe, and I saw that I was not adjusting them properly. There should be very little overlap between what you see in the inside rear view mirror and the outside mirrors. Try it and you will see the mirrors are big enough.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    The BMW Mini Cooper has it.....so you know that according to Edmunds, it must be a stylish effect.
  • Majorthom,
    Apparently Yahoo recently changed their different "clubs" into "groups"- I don't remember the reason, but I had been a member of 2 clubs, one the echo club, and I also had difficulty accessing them, once they became groups.
    This past weekend, while doing laundry, some jerk keyed my Echo- big criss crosses on the hood, and a straight line down the driver's side and across the trunk. Guess I'll have to do some research on the repairs and maintenance board to see how to handle the scratches. The ones on the hood are the worst, because they are so "decorative" and are deep, down to black. I am especially annoyed since I am so careful to park far away from other cars, and walk the extra distance!
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That really does suck about your car. I don't know what to tell you about fixing them, but I do know what will NOT work. I tried that GS-27 scratch remover stuff, as well as some other scratch remover stuff from the auto parts store (don't remember the name of it), and it did NOT work. The only thing that's going to cover really deep scratches will be touch-up paint from the dealer, or having the car repainted.
  • dsgechodsgecho Posts: 89
    3 things I noticed about echo mirrors when I had one:
    1. Compared to a Prius, [same general size and shape] the mirrors are slightly smaller. But that smaller difference is significant.
    2. The echo mirrors would sag or drop from their original adjustment over time. Readjustment and tightening the screws for this purpose helped a lot.
    3. The best thing that helped was placement of one of those $1-$2 convex mirrors in the outside corner on the driver's side and I think on the pasenger side also. This eliminated a dangerous blind spot and gave better overall visibility. Mirror problems went away basically after this.
    Hope that helps some.
    Don
    Nashville TN
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Did you get rid of your Echo or something? I thought you still had one?

    I had rented an Echo for one day, and I found the mirrors were too small for safe merging into traffic. I am used to my Jetta though, and its mirrors are pretty big and also blue tinted to reduce glare of headlights from behind. Although that was not a problem in the Echo, because I drove it during all daylight.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I suppose it depends on wether or not you have the "remote" mirrors or the standard ones. The upgrade ones are large and rectangular and don't move once adjusted. They also fold in to avoid damage from impact.
    I have the rectangular convex lenses mounted on them as they afford a view across lanes and down to the rear tire. The round ones tend to give a fish-eye view that's hard to judge position. I got started using those when riding motorcycles and have never had to look back to compensate for blindspots.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    You want to talk small mirrors. You should rent a Ford Escort. That thing had really small outside mirrors.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I remember those small Escort mirrors, because that was one of the company cars I used to have,

    The mirrors were small (to me, anyway) on the rental Echo I had. And it did have the remote mirrors.
  • podmepodme Posts: 3
    You did very good with that price ($11275).
    But what is your total price with fees & taxes (TTL) ?
    With the options that you've given, shouldn't the invoice should be $12237 ?
    With the $1000 off instant rebate savings, it'll be $11237 ?
  • The MSRP for the four door, manual, A/C, P/S, mats, side molding, cruise was $12,900. Part of that price was a regional option called the extra mile opt. It retailed at $475 - dealer cost $241. The dealer's invoice was $11,900. I paid $11,275. I may not have listed all of the options on my first post. Here in Oklahoma, tags are purchased after the fact. The tag will cost about $80. The sales tax is about 4% or $500. In this area, I wasn't aware of the $1000 off instant rebate. Is the rebate off retail or invoice? I checked and didn't find it available in this area. If I missed something, I would like to be enlightened. Anyway, thanks for the response.
  • I'm the proud owner of a 4-door silver 2000 Toyota Echo. We did a lot of highway driving, and we're almost at the 60,000 km (37,5000 mile) point at which our "bumper-to-bumper" warranty runs out. We're trying to decide if the extended warranty is worth it.

    Has anyone had any mechanical failures with the 2000 Echo; if you have, was it standard/automatic, and how many miles were on it?

    Thanks,
    Ryan
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I finally went and ordered 15" rims and tires for my Echo. I will be getting 15x 6.5 rims w/ Yokohama yk420 205/50r-15's. The Yokohama's are supposed to have a 60k warranty.
    I'll let you all know how the mpg and handling are once they're on.
    Regarding extended warranties...I think overall it's a waste of money as at 37k miles, if something was defective it sure would've made itself known by now. Unless the warranty covers items needing replacement due to wear and tear I would pass. I spent $1700 on my last car's extended warranty but it covered the a/c compressor for wear and tear as well as the cooling system.
    Maybe the Echo's mirrors seem small due to the large greenhouse...they are about the same as all other Toyota cars in size.
    Isn't it great that the only thing we're talking about now is the size of the mirrors as opposed to recalls and defects? :D
  • podmepodme Posts: 3
    Sorry Larrykingry, but you still have not totaled up your total price (w/ tax, fees, etc.).
    What I mean is your "total on paper" with taxes and fees. What is it ?
    Are you saying that your total is
    $11275
    + 50
    + 500
    -------
    $11825 (your total w/ tax & fees ?)

    A typical Echo at the invoice of $12237 (or $11237 w/ $1000 cash rebate applied) should come with the following options (4dr, 5spd):
    - Air Conditioning
    - All Weather Guard Package
    - Auto Idling Control
    - Quarter Stone Protector
    - Radiator Cover
    - Sports Body Cladding
    - Power Steering

    I didn't know that Echos come with cruise ?
    I checked and they don't have it as an option.
    Is yours the 2003 Echo ?
    Yes, there was a $1000 instant cash rebate on 2002 Echos about a month or two ago on top of the negotiated invoice price.
    I think that with the MSPR price that you've listed as $11900, is with the $1000 cash rebate applied.

    With gas mileage : I'm currently getting an average of 44 MPG (80% city & 20% highway). I'd notice that by adding a "gas treatment" bottle to a full tank of gas has increased my MPG by an extra 4 MPG.
    I've just changed the oil and oil filter myself (two days ago) and it I may get higher than 44 MPG (probably a couple extra MPG above 44 MPG).
    I will post it in the next few days.
  • My 2002 4 door Echo is listed on invoice for $12761 MSRP and invoice for $11912.35 Dealer. The cruise was added on by the dealer. The dealer said the cruise listed for $250. I quess-timated that the cost for the item and installed was at least $140. That is how I arrived at the $12,900 figure for MSRP with cruise. I paid $11275 for the car alone. The tag will cost me $80 and the tax will be about $500. So, on the road, the total cost is $11,275 + $80 +$500 or $11,855. I don't believe there was a $1000 instant cash rebate when I purchased the car (Mar 28,02) as I talked to several dealers and the subject was never mentioned.
  • cbiecbie Posts: 5
    Has anyone else experienced brakes that squeal noticeably whenever braking soon after starting the car up in the morning and softer squeals intermittently when braking at other times throughout the driving day? I'm wondering if this is an isolated problem or should I even be concerned about this squealing? My car has less than 1000 miles.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Perhaps you live in a humid area, this would cause surface rust to form on the rotors of the front brakes and they would squeel for a while until the rust is worn off. Do you drive often? If not this encourages the rust. Its not a big deal, my motorcycle sits for a week or two sometimes and this surface rust happens, then wears off with use. You could have the dealer check it out, after all the car is under warranty. If you think theres a problem, have them look at it.
    Have you seen the new Honda Hybrid Civic that costs $20,000 plus and gets 48mpg? My ECHO cost $13,000 out the door and it just got 43 mpg on a trip! What is Honda thinking here? This might give economy cars a bad name! (but maybe not with the price of gas these days)
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    Probably the same thing Toyota is thinking. Have you seen the price of the Prius?
  • hey
    Do u guys think that the echo is a girly kind of car?.. I am not trying to make fun of anyone, I am thinking about considering it as something to think about getting and I just want your views..
    i think that they are nice looking.. not toyota's best looking car. but, not it's worst..what do yall think?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I don't think it is a girl car. Of course, I am the type of person who doesn't care what other people think.
  • I don't see a girl car, what I see is a sensible economical 'green' car which does it's job - mainly to transport people from point A to point B - in a reliable manner.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    girly car? lol I don't think any of us bought the Echo because of what others thought. I've had more than one person come up to me to say they wished they didn't listen to their friend's advice and bought one.
    I thought the Echo was the ugliest car around when I first saw it. It is a car that grows on you and it's also the 'shock of the new'. 2 years later and I like it even more! Also, I fell in love with the Yaris(Euro version of Echo) the first time I saw one in Spain...wish the US one looked more like it.
    If you're buying to impress someone else, you won't like the Echo. Buy it for yourself and it will continually make you smile.
  • britton2britton2 Posts: 305
    and I don't consider it to be "girly" - to me it's just a uniquely-styled little car boasting the Toyota emblem - I heard that Toyota won't be making the Echo anymore after 2003 though -
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    Seriously, though, only from the front do I find any "girlish" looks on this car -- the headlamp assembly reminds me of "cat-eye" eyeglass frames.

    I find it rather neat how some people attach personalities to their cars: My daily driver is a CR-V. After a short time, I decided that it was a "girl" and nicknamed her "Betty." (It comes off the tongue easier than the initials C-R-V!) Or, if you saw the movie Gone in 60 Seconds, notice that Nicolas Cage's character nicknamed the elusive Shelby Mustang "Eleanor." Has anyone else here personified their car like this? Or is the ECHO really just a point-A-to-B machine for everyone? <GRIN>

    I took a group of CR-V owners to the Houston Auto Show this past weekend. While there, my ECHO-owning girlfriend and I paid a visit to the Toyota floor. As far as cars are concerned, it looks like Toyota is all about promoting the Corolla and Matrix this year. There was only one lone ECHO on display, at the periphery of the action:

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