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Toyota Echo

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  • When I said 'point A to point B'I didn't mean to say the Echo was just a vehicle to transport people. I meant to say that it's not a frills car, it does what a car is supposed to do. I have named my Echo, I call her 'Echo Baby'. I tell her she's beautiful everytime I drive her!
  • petro33petro33 Posts: 192
    I know what you mean. Almost every Echo I see here in Sacramento is either driven by a young girl or an older person. Do I care!! Not in the least. I do find it interesting that as I was reading a magizine at the doctors office (a teen Mag) I saw at least three adds for the echo addressed to the 18-25 age "girl" market. O'well I enjoy mine! The echo that is!
  • thanks to everyone who took time to write me... i am still unsure on what i am going to buy but i am still going to keep it in consideration..i am not going to say that i dont care what/how other other people think of me, b/c i do...but if i do get one.. oh well, they will just have to deal with it..!! thanks again..
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Went in today and had my new wheels/tires installed. Wow! What a difference in road feel and handling! I did have to reduce psi to 31...at 33 it rendered my cd player useless on anything but smooth road. The only drawback has been heavier steering at low speeds. It has immediate response to steering at highway speeds and ride is firm but compliant.
    The rear tire fills that space nicely now and the fronts are just at the edge of the cladding. Glad I didn't get the 16" ones!
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    Kaz, you say the new 15 inch wheels and tires fill the the space nicely now. I would suppose
    that the circumference is greater than before, else they wouldnt fill the spaces any more. If the circumference is greater, then the speedometer/odometer would be reading wrong now, no? And the gearing would be even taller than the original? I dont care so much about the speedometer
    readings, but if the gearing is even longer, less revs at the same speed, seems like the car is going too far in a direction where it was already pretty far out. Or maybe you have done this change differently than what I am supposing.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Actually, the circumference doesn't change,at least not enough to affect odometer...just the width and the size of wheel. I have very low profile tires on-205/50/15's. When I say 'fills in the space' I mean the width. Probably the weakest angle looking at an Echo is the rear quarter view as the stock wheel/tire is well inset which has led many to believe the Echo has skinny tires when in fact it has the same as many other cars on the road. The dynamics change with the upgrade as it changes the unsprung weight.
    I can say it feels like I'm driving a bigger car now. I didn't go for 16's because of price and proportion. Anything bigger than a 15" makes the car look almost cartoonish IMHO :) I have seen an Echo here with 17" wheels and it looks cool but not for me. The true test of mpg etc. will be when I do my usual drive to Vegas. The aerodynamics suffer with bigger/wider tires so it'll be intresting to see what my mpg is now. I'd post a pic but don't know how! lol
  • lynnann1lynnann1 Posts: 85
    because his mother had locked the keys in her car while at the grocery store, and he needed someone to take him up with the second set of keys. His first words when he sat is my ECHO were "Wow! this car is big!" BTW she owns a Camry about circa 1999.

    I had the opportunity to ride in a Subaru Forrester a few weeks ago and it felt smaller than riding in my Precious. Goes to show you can't judge a car's interior by looking at the outside and also confirms my Dad's comment when we first got her that she's a TARDIS.
  • Unfamiliar with that term. Please explain.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    The TARDIS was used by Dr. Who (a character in the same titled British sci-fi TV series). It looked like a British police box on the outside (think old style phone booth), but it was a very large spaceship on the inside.

    Personally, I think of my car as male and that is one reason I gave him a male name. Major Tom (his name) is the name of the character in the David Bowie song, Space Oddity. The Echo is a space oddity because it is bigger inside than it appears from the outside.

    Nicholas Cage called that one car, Eleanor, because that is what it was called in the Original Gone In 60 Seconds movie. You should buy or rent the original. Amazing what the film maker did on a low budget.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Toyota had two or three Echoes on display at my local autoshow. Most of the emphasis was given over to the new Corolla which is as it should be since the Corolla is new this year.

    I think the Echo is not selling to the young people because they think it does not have enough horsepower.

    Be honest, if you did not take a test drive, would you think something with only 108 horses could be as fast or as fun to drive as the Echo?

    If Toyota is not cancelling the Echo, I think they should bump the hp up by about 7 to 17 horses. I doubt that Toyota will bump it up to 125 horses total because then you are getting into the hp range of the Corolla which has 130.

    But bottom line is that to sell more to the youngsters, the answer is more power.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I am 23, and have a 1.8T Jetta. I had rented an Echo when my car was in the shop for a day. I am glad they had an Echo, because I wanted to drive one of them for a little to see how I would like it (I thought about getting one for my dad a couple months ago, if you remember). Anyway, I liked the handling, and the power was not too bad at all for an economy minded car. It was faster than my 2001 Protege that I had before. The handling didn't feel tippy to me either, and I took some off-ramps pretty quickly in it. I didn't mind the looks, but of course the interior was sparse to me, only because I am used to having power everything, etc. But it was not that bad a car at all. Would definitely get one (if they added another inch of front leg room) for myself as a commuter or second car.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I'm afraid that with the announcement that Toyota will be adding the "Scion" line the Echo will most likely be dropped. I question their logic but do hope that they bring over cars more like the Yaris/Vitz in more or less untouched form. I especially like the sport versions of these models. Speaking of which, has anyone seen any instrument kits for Echo's? The Yaris has a very cool pod!
    Take a look at the Saturn Ion...seems like the Vibe is not the only one sharing Toyota parts! The dash looks like an Echo hybrid!
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    Yeah Major, I think "108 horsepower" doesn't properly convey what people are getting. The VVTi design really does a nice job of squeezing out the most from 1.5 liters. Does anyone know if there is a published dyno curve for this car?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Everyone cracked on the Echo's dash, and then they turn around and put it in the ION. Makes no sense to me, a dumb marketing move.

    I drove the Echo, like I said before, and the dash was not a problem for me. Once I got used to looking to the right instead of straight ahead, it was no big deal. It did feel funny to have an empty dash in front of me though. And also, Toyota needs to add some more instrumentation to the pod as well. It looks too cheap with just the speedo and fuel gauge in there.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    If the Echo is cancelled, will this board be allowed to continue on?
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    My roommate and I took a test drive of the 2003 Corolla yesterday. Very impressive car and I thought it was at the top of my roommate's list. However, we were driving around today and passed a red Echo. My roommate said that the Corolla was very nice, but she preferred my Echo. The major reasons were the interior design of the Echo and the center mounted gauge cluster.

    We are going to take a test drive of the new Suzuki Aerio on Saturday and then we will head up to the Toyota dealership so my roommate can test drive an automatic Echo.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    As long as anybody wants to talk about the Echo, this discussion will be available, whether they are still making them or not.

    Pat
    Sedans Host
  • I've been looking for one since the Echo came out. If anyone knows where or even if they make one, would you post it here...thanks! I've tried several scale model mfrs and haven't seen any Echos listed.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I've been having problems with my cd player as of late. It gets stopped by road disturbances and then reads 'error 1'. 'error 1' is supposed to be dirty or damaged cd but the cd is fine. This was happening before I upgraded wheels and tires as well so I know it's not that. I've cleaned the lens and cd's but it seems overly sensiive to any surface irregularities. Anyone having similar problems? It only started happening this past winter. I have over 25k on mine now! :D
  • cbiecbie Posts: 5
    aeroterremer, Hobby Link Japan is an excellent place to buy scale models. The ECHO is listed as the Vitz. The website link is http://www.hlj.com. The wonderful part about this website is that it does money conversions and the service is impeccable! I highly recommend this site for all your scale model needs. Model FUJ18631 and FUJ03482 are the ones you're probably looking for. Have fun customizing your model...
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    I was surprised by the earlier posting about the Echo needing more horsepower. The basic factor in providing performance is the weight to horsepower ratio. The Echo weighs in at 2060 pounds, and with a horsepower of 108 that means less than 20 pounds per horsepower. Now look at the Civics and the Protege and Corolla and you will see that those cars have equal or more pounds per horsepower. And the new Matrix is certainly inferior to the Echo in this regard. Of course when you start looking really closely you should be looking at the torque delivery all the way up the RPM curve, as well as the gear ratios. But basically the Echo is pretty fast because it is light.
    ....My 18 year old friend rode a lot with me in my Echo till he got his first car recently, a used Accord. He was not out a lot with his peers initially, but surely is now. When I saw him the other day and we were talking cars, he mentionned that "most people think the Echo is junk", referring to his peers, where the older Civics are the car of choice. Seems clear to me that the reason for disapproval is the looks and the tallness. Even the newer Civics are less desirable amongst the younger set due to that tallness. And when I refer to the younger set, I am talking about a group who is into performance and performance-looking. I am sure there are lots of other young people, in other areas of the country, who have different priorities.
    ....(Thanks for the further info on your tires, kaz6, makes sense.)
  • mltomekmltomek Posts: 24
    I RECENTLY TRADED IN MY 2000 ECHO FOR A 2001 RAV-4. I LIKED THE RAV-4---VERY NICE VEHICLE, SOLID,DEPENDABLE,PLOWED THRU THE DEEP SOUTH DAKOTA SNOW DRIFTS---BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, I MISSED THE ECHO SO MUCH I TRADED IT BACK IT FOR A 2002 ECHO MANUAL(I MISSED DRIVING A MANUAL-KEEPS MY HANDS BUSY). I LOST ABOUT 2K ON THE DEAL---BUT NOW I KNOW I WILL DRIVE THE ECHO FOR MANY YEARS, UNLESS THE BRING THE TOYOTA SPORTIV OVER TO THE U.S. MY 2002 IS MANUAL WINDOWS(I LIKE THAT), POWER DOOR LOCKS(CHEESY),A/C,PWR STEERING,PKG 1 AND 2. INDIGO BLUE--I FORGET THE COLOR NAME---BUT DEF NOT THAT BORING SEAFOAM BLUE. WHAT A GREAT CAR----I LOVE LISTENING TO THE CAR'S ENGINE OR WHEN I SHIFT. THIS IS A AWESOME LIL' CAR AND I HAVE HAD A FEW NICE,MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE CARS BUT THE ECHO IS JUST MY STYLE. IF THEY QUIT MAKING THE ECHO---WILL PARTS BE HARD TO COME BY?? AND WHAT ABOUT THIS TOYOTA ENGINE SLUDGE LAWSUIT?? DOES IT AFFECT THE ECHO AT ALL?? I ONLU USE CASTROL 5W30 FULL SYNTHETIC OIL EVERY 5K. I JUST NEED A NAME FOR MY ECHO NOW. MY FIRST ALL PEARL WHITE 2000 ECHO WAS MISS MINNIE(AFTER MINNIE PEARL). I THINK THIS ECHO IS MORE A BOY. I JUST BOUGHT CAMOFLAUGE SEAT COVERS FOR HIM!!! I LOVE THIS BOARD! AND I LOVE SEEING FELLOW ECHO DRIVERS---I ALWAYS TOOT N WAVE---FEW N FAR BETWEEN---I LIKE THAT!!

    MIKE
  • cbiecbie Posts: 5
    Fujimi model FUJ18624 is closest to the American-named ECHO. By the way, my silver ECHO is affectionately named "pokie."
  • I'll definitely purchase one of the scale models from the website you provided. I'm very excited and happy to finally have a model of my Echo. When I was younger, back in the early '60s, I enjoyed building AMT models. Only wish I had kept them!
  • lynnann1lynnann1 Posts: 85
    Thanks for explaining the TARDIS also the letters stand for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space.
  • cbiecbie Posts: 5
    Here is a link to the scale model kit available from HobbyLink Japan.

    http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljpage.cgi?FUJ18624

    The model FUJ03482 is also a good model. However, the 82 comes with all black body and interior. Unless you have or want an all black model, a lot of painting and customizing is involved. I recommend model FUJ18624 for ECHO enthusiasts.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I did not say that the Echo really needed more horsepower. I was saying perhaps the Echo would sell better among the younger set if it had more horsepower. Pick up any tuning mag and what do you see discussed most? How to get more power.

    Welcome Mike, but could you not post in all upper case. It made your posting hard to read. Regarding engine sludge, there is a thread in either news and views or maintenance that is Toyota specific and a Toyota rep answers questions through the board. You might pose your question about the Echo there.

    Got to disagree with you about the seafoam blue being a boring color. I think it is a very snazzy color. Major Tom is black sand pearl, but if my roommate gets an Echo, she wants the seafoam blue and I agree with her choice.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    You were gone for so long I half expected you to come back as Lieutenant Colonel ThomEcho! Welcome back!
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I have been gone because I got hooked on a darn game and then I started a new job where I have ended up working twelve hour plus days. Thanks for the welcome back.
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