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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans

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  • mikem1mikem1 Posts: 12
    MBUSA or call for regional support to see if that helps.
    I have no experience with other MB dealers so I have nothing to compare them to.

    Since I purchased the car there and we're out of warranty, I don't have much leverage with the dealer other than hoping they'll do the right thing to avoid loosing a customer.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    What did the substance look like? Sponges? Goo?

    Were there any newspaper articles about this?

    Doing a google search on 'spongy substance in gas tanks' didn't produce any thing like what your dealer told you.

    Sorry, but this sounds like a new high in the art of dealer baloney.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    there was "nothing new under the sun?" Was this "service guy" the Manager or one of the mechanics, er, technicians..? His explanation would cause me to RUN, not walk to another dealer or independent repair shop. Besides, most reputable brands of gasoline come with different additives dependent upon the season just to avoid issues of gumming deposits, etc..
  • mikem1mikem1 Posts: 12
    was the Mercedes Service Mgr. and he admitted he has limited technical skills. His predecessor was a sharp guy and very straight forward.
    The car was to be delivered today but my wife got a call late in the day saying it was misfiring so they were going to hold on it it for a bit longer.

    This problem seems to be taking on a life of itself; it seems clear that the dealer can't diagnose the problem and their solution reveals just how little they know.

    The heck of it is, I'm not sure where to go with this. I've lost faith in the dealer and I don't have anyone else to take the car to. It doesn't sound like MBUSA would be of any help but I'll try them if we hit a wall on the fix. The dealership owner is the final guy I will talk to on this if they mechanics can't figure it out.

    I don't want to sell the car to a private buyer because I don't want an irrate stranger coming after me. That $18K offer from the Honda dealer is sounding better all the time.
  • Does anyone know if the dealer's kit for adding Sirius Satellite Radio to my ("pre-wired") Satellite ready car is available for installation at the dealer's service department yet?
  • The dealer is refusing to come down from 36,900 price tag; it has 34K mileage with CD changer, sunroof and heated front seats. Its in very good condition... think they will/can come down on the price? Also, anyone with info on the dealership 'Ewing Autohaus' in Dallas, especially related to their level of service would be greatly appreciated.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,600
    Keep in mind that the wholesale price now on a used '03 E320 is now about $37k !
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    Do you like a 03 E320 better than an 01 430?
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,600
    I like BOTH cars. This is it in a proverbial nutshell... As I've previously pointed out, they each have their desirable qualities. The Lexus is smooth, reliable, and does everything you want it too with poise, class and top notch ergonomics. The E does this as well, just not quite as well. The Benz is more fun to drive, feels more sporting and inspires confidence and security with its vault-like solid presence and feel. I favor the looks of the E over the LS.

    Keep in mind too that my Lexus stickered for close to $8k more than my E.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Please stop spamming the Town Hall with the STS.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Has anyone here done it? Anyone been able to negotiate the ED price below the standard discount? (7% off MSRP on the E class, I believe)

    Supposedly BMW ED prices are not negotiable, but thanks to info from www.eurobuyers.com, I was able to find dealers willing to go as low as $1,200 over the ED invoice (another $2-3k below the standard ED full price). Unfortunately, I'm not very interested in the 5 series redesign and am interested in the new E320 CDI.
  • chavis10chavis10 Posts: 166
    What's your beef dude? STS is a competitor to 5 and E.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    Do you have any independent MB repair shops in your area? If so I'd start a relationship with an independent MB garage. Take your E in for it's next oil change and test them out. My parents have owned Mercedes since I was a little kid, they'd use the MB dealer service until it went out of warranty - when it never saw an MB dealer again. They keep their MB's up to the 200k mile mark or so, I took one of my mom's old S classes to 250k miles in college, it was still running perfectly when I sold it.

    Now I may be in the market for my first new MB, the lease is about up on my 01 X5 and I'm thinking about a new E Class diesel - anyone here interested in the new E Class CDI?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Not that it has any bearing here, but I do not find the STS to be even remotely competitive with either the 5 or the E, it's just too ugly and most probably (if the CTS is any indication) too cushy. That said, such a thread does not belong either here in the E-Class or over in the 5-Series discussion. These discussions are for folks to talk about those specific cars.

    If you feel the overriding need to force your opinion on others, you can go over to the Sedans, Comparisons - Sedan vs. Sedan and start your own discussion called something like "The New Cadillac STS vs. THE WORLD"

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Shipo is right about where that conversation belongs ... so let's get back to the E-Class now. :)
  • chavis10chavis10 Posts: 166
    Goodness gracious. Didn't know you people were so up tight. Just telling you to check out some pictures. But apparently nothing else is "remotely competive" based on nothing. Whatever, and try to relax a little.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    No one said that *nothing* else is "remotely competitive". However, the point was made that this is not a comparo and therefore is not the right place to post links to pics of other vehicles. That is a valid point no matter whether the two of you agree on what competes.

    I'm glad to see that you did create a discussion on the Comparisons board which is there specifically for that purpose. (I left you a message there just now.)

    With this, let's drop the personal comments. We're here to talk about the E-Class and not each other.

    Thanks.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I'm very interested in the E320 CDI. Decent review of the car in last weekends Washington Post car section by Warren Brown. He managed to get 40.5 MPG in combined city/highway driving and came in 3rd among the jouralists who got ones to test drive. Top honors was someone who managed 45 mpg. And that from a car that seats 5, weighs 3,800 lbs and is capable of 0-60 in a reported 6.8 seconds.

    I have never been as much of a fan of the sporting side of the E class (i.e. E430/500 or E55), being more of a fan of the (former) 5-series with a manual transmission. But if I ever wanted to justify a $50k sedan on financial prudence, teh E320 CDI is probably as good as it gets.

    I have confirmed that the car is available through European Delivery at 7% off MSRP.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    I kinda got the impression that 50K is the base price.

    With only 6,000 of these coming to the States how many do we think will be here with less than $8000 - $10,000 in options
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Pricing is speculative for the next week or two. My dealer has a E320CDI Silver, charcoal interior, sunroof, heated seats and 6-CD changer sitting at the Baltimore port right now, waiting to be released.

    He indicated that this vehicle would list for roughly $51,500 as a E320 gas. In the past (1998/99), the E300 TD was about $2k less than the E320 gas. I'd be happy if the new one was even $1k less.

    I should know more in 7-10 days. I've already tentatively put my name on a late April order date for late July pick up in Germany. The car I would want would list at roughly $54.5k in gas version (premium package, upgraded leather (required by premium), xenon lights & metallic paint).

    P.S. Everyone: My dealer also sells Acuras, and when asked, does not think the Mercedes DVD navigation system is even worth the relatively inexpensive $1,200 it lists for. Claims it is difficult to use, has too small of a screen and is three+ generations behind the 8" screen, completely voice activated system in the new TL. Comments please.

    Footie, without the premium package (bagging nav system), and going instead with just a sunroof, entertainment package, xenons and metallic, I think I may be able to get the price under $50k via the 7% European delivery discount.
  • boiler1boiler1 Posts: 56
    Going over in May to pick up an E320 4Matic. Talked to 5 different dealers with no luck in negotiating a price lower than the published EDP price.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Thanks. That seems to be consistent with what I've been told by at least 3 dealerships.

    P.S. footie: I did manage to find prices on Mercedes European website that show the base price of the E320CDI is the equivalent of about $1,200 less than the E320 gas. We'll see if that holds true for the US version.
  • alley22alley22 Posts: 1
    Does anyone have any advise on whether I should purchase a left over 2003 E500 with 20 miles (considered a new car) for $51,000? MSRP was around $58,000. It includes the CD changer and better sound system. Or would you recommend waiting for the E320 CDI? I hope to keep my next Mercedes as long as possible, but do not want to pay much more than $50 grand. Thanks,
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    Its totally appropriate to mention the STS in the same light as the E class. They are obviously competitors though I think the E has an edge over the STS, Cadillac has made good effort and needs to be uploaded.

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    Putting them next to each other illustrates that Cadillac is really not ‘inferior’. And judging from the XLR’s pricing, I do not think the STS will be very far off from the E in price.
    That being said, MB obviously has a huge head start in this market in terms of established reputation, but in 10 years, that might not be the case if Cadillac and Lexus maintain their momentum. As it is Cadillac is ranked higher in quality than either MB or BMW, and that is a good start.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I think the E320 CDI would be the perfect long term car. Does anyone know if the E320 CDI will be available in wagon form?

    I bought an 03 Jetta TDI (Diesel) wagon last year as a kind of beater mainly to see what a modern diesel is like to live with on a daily basis. Bottom line this little TDI has turned me into a huge fan of diesels. Now I'm ready to ditch my X5 for an E Class diesel - preferably a wagon.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    That sounds like a very good price on a new 2003 E500. But I'm almost suspicious of why a 2003 that's been sitting around presumably since last September/October only has 20 miles on it. Obviously not used as a demo and now 6+ months old and nearly 2 model years old (the 320CDI is labeled a 2005 model).

    I am a bit biased towards the E320 CDI only because it carries the reputation of past Mercedes diesels that seem to last forever. I'm sure the E500 would be more sporting, but if it's sport I'm going after, I'd go with a 545i 6-speed over the E500, even in spite of my dislike for the new 5-series aesthetics.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    There are many high performance diesels in Europe, BMW, VW and Mercedes all have high performance diesels that are capable of giving any gas engine a run. In fact, Mercedes put the first diesel in one of their AMG's this year - the AMG version of the C230 Coupe has a high performance diesel engine. The reason we don't see more of these engines in the U.S. is because of the high sulfer content of our diesel. Our diesel is mandated to become low sulfer sometime in 2006. Then we may see some of the sweet diesel engines that are available in Europe. My X5 is available with an excellent diesel in Europe. The only other diesel I'm comparing the E Class CDI to is the VW Touareg V10 diesel - it starts at $57k before options.

    My Jetta diesel wagon feels like it has a V6 under the hood in everyday driving, all that low end torque is amazing - and it's an automatic. It's an increadable long distance cruiser as well, it's capable of comfortably cruising at 100 and returns close to 40 MPG in everyday, mostly in-town driving.
  • bobbio56bobbio56 Posts: 37
    i am interested in an e500 4matic....i travel from philly to ny and dc alot...i want the speed and comfort of a benz and the 4matic is good for the snow...have you all found these cars to be reliable and how are they in snow....any input here would be greatly apprecited..thanks to all!
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