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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans

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  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    )) "So, what settings do you use in the fall and spring???" ((

    "f" & "s". (Geeez...)
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    But if "S" could mean Sport, then maybe "W" could mean Wuss ??
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    I'll usually wait until there is a threat of snow before setting to "W" or until the crocus are popping up before setting to "S". But if heading into severe rain on oily roads, I will set to "W" just to limit the wheelspin on take off..
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    :P

    Either way I hope the weather holds and I don't have to switch to it this year.

    M
  • I need to find a replacement cupholder for the one missing out of the front seat of the car I just bought. The car I bought was leased for one year, then returned. It seems he took these small things that are not essential to driving, but are inconvenient to be missing, like this cup holder, the first aid kit, and I'm not sure what else.
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    Any Mercedes dealer's part department can order one up for you if you're willing to chance dealership extortionist pricing. You might get lucky with an eBay search. Try an auto recycler (aka, "junk yard").

    (Don't be too quick to accuse the former lessee - he/she may've returned the car with everything intact. It's possible the dealer you purchased the car from lifted parts for resale through its parts department. {Who knows - you might even get the opportunity to buy back the same cupholder and 1st aid kit your car originally came with... ;)}. It's also possible a sticky-fingered lot monkey snatched the goodies for his own use while the car was being prepped for display after it was returned off lease. Or even a sticky-fingered shopper. The list is endless.
  • Recently got lease on a new 2007 E350 (with sport package and 18 inch wheels with lower profile tires) and have noticed rear tire noise that is higher than expected (and higher than the 2003 Passat I traded in). Didn't notice this on the test drives with salesman. Becomes most noticable above 40 mph.

    Is this typical? Anything I can do to reduce the noise?

    Other than this, car is a dream.
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    One possibility is to check the air pressure in the tires. They often come off the boat with extra air in them, and if the dealer forgets to bleed them, they will run rougher and noisier than usual. Some brands of low profile tires are noisy, but there's no reason the rear ones would be noisier than the front ones.
  • ...except that the rear tires are wider than the front with the Sports Package. You might have test driven a 4wd car with the Sports Package. All 4 tires are the same size in that case.
  • I found this excerpt from an MB Internet ad for the E350 - this relates to the Sports Package option that comes with the low profile tires:

    "** Lower aspect ratio tires and accompanying wheels provide substantially increased treadwear, increased tire noise and reduced ride comfort."

    So MB itself acknowledges higher tire noise on the Sports Package for the E350. Not to mention "substantially increased treadwear".

    The looks of the Sports Package are great, but they come with a "noisy" and treadwear trade-off .
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    that seems to be pretty much the way it is with most low profile high performance tires on just about any of the LPS cars. The GS350/430 comes with a sticker on the window announcing that you can expect much less mileage from these tires, as just one example. Re noise: I drove new E350's back to back, one with sport package and one without. The difference in handling was barely noticeable, but the difference in road/tire noise was much more pronounced in the sport model.
  • df4801df4801 Posts: 10
    thanks for the info.

    I am trying to decide on the sports package. My dealer is really recommending it and I like the way it looks, but am concerned about a comfortable ride. Also, I dont want to have to purchase new tires every year.
    What is the treadwear life on the sports tires?
    Any other advice on the sports package. Thanks all.
  • I have no problem with the ride quality. The car handles great too. I don't know how much less tread life to expect with the lower profile sports package tires. This is my first E350 and I only have 3,300 miles. I've heard that maintaining tire pressure is key to getting the most mileage.

    My only concern has been the higher than expected tire noise, which I only notice from the rear of the vehicle. I would suggest you test drive a E350 with Sports Package and one without to see if you notice enough of a noise difference. Be sure you get above 40 mph on the drives.

    Good luck.
  • I am looking to purchase an older E class Mercedes. In my price range I am considering the 300E and maybe 1994 E320. Other than larger engine in the E320 is one car noticeably better? I am also concerned about maintenance costs. This would be a third car so would not be driven in bad weather. Would be stored during the bad midwest winters. Any advice would be appreciated.

    Andy
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I was working for MB-USA back in that era and IIRC, there were precious few differences between the 300E and the E320. FWIW, those engines, robust as they have proven themselves to be, do have a single annoying weakness. Their head gaskets don't seem to last much beyond 100,000 miles.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    Also, the '94 (and I believe other years from '92-'95) have another problem - the engine wiring harness falls apart over the years, and the car has to be rewired. An expensive problem to deal with that as far as I know, MB is not taking responsibility for (it happens after the warranty period ends).

    You can read about it on NHTSA, or just Google mercedes wiring harness.
  • Thanks for your replies to my post. I also called a person whom I do not know personally but has worked on Mercedes at his own shop for 45 years. He said that in addition to the head gasket and wire harness problem I have to add a third concern, the AC adaptor. He said it was worse the newer the car was and all three items would have to be checked out carefully before purchasing to avoid expensive maintenance. I may have to look in another direction as I am not sure I can handle the stress of having those items hanging over my head. I can see the benefits of new car and extended warranties.

    Andy
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    I can verify the head gasket problem that Shipo mentions. I had a 96 E320 and the gasket was replaced at 116K for approx. $1300 (my dealer). I had other quotes at $1700 (different MB dealer) and $2200 (independent repair). I chose to go with my selling dealer at the $1300 level because it was the cheapest and they even threw in a loaner car for free..!! So it pays to check around.

    BUT: :surprise: you might also plan on a water pump at the same time; the bearings failed as soon as they buttoned up the engine and refilled the antifreeze. Never made it out of the repair stall and they gave me a discounted deal of $350 for the water pump replacement. Normally well over $500...

    Warning: everyone I talked to at the time said that there was no guarantee that the head gasket would not blow again in another 100K+ miles...!!

    I got another trouble free 25K before I chose to sell it before I'd have to take out a mortgage to repair the next major failure..!
  • munishmunish Posts: 1
    I am thinking of buying a 2002 E320 that has 29K miles on it and in good condition. What would be the cost of maintaining this vehicle for the next four years?

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    thanks
  • ms09ms09 Posts: 112
    Hi does any1 know when the new e class is coming, i saw the images its better than a S class,abd also does any1 knw when the new clk coupe is coming????
  • steve3226steve3226 Posts: 15
    You've had lots of advise here. Mine is that in any event, if you buy an out of warranty MB the condition of the car far out ways the difference in one or two model years. Be prepared for expensive MB repairs. If costs are a major factor, I'd recommend a Japanese car.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    On used MB's....

    I've bought two used E-class cars in the last 8 years and I am convinced that the only way to buy a used MB is with Starmark coverage. Both of mine have needed repairs before 100,000 miles that would have cost me $1000 or more at least once each. Along with a couple of other repairs that would have cost $3-400 each. My first was a '96 and my current one is an '01.

    Having said that, I have friends who have older models that are running fine with few repairs into the hundreds of thousands of miles. One just turned 400,000 last month and is running great. It has some rust showing up, but mechanically is excellent. However, it is a diesel and it is a '94 model.

    Starting in '96 with the 4-eye E-class, the quality started to decline. Ergo, the need for warranty coverage beyond the factory original. The condition is less important than the fact that MB has definitely lowered the quality of the components being used on the newer models. An example: my '96 had the original catalytic converter when I sold it at 140,000 miles. My '01 had one converter replaced (it has two) at 49,000 (under warranty) and the other I just paid $900 for at 84,000 miles. I rest my case.

    And I will NOT be buying another MB. I'm going to move on to a more reliable brand when I need my next car. :cry:
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Microrepair, and that (European) brand would be??

    I don't see anyway around this. If you want to drive a European car you are going to have maintenance/repair bills higher than someone in a Camry. Maybe the only thing worse than putting the ocasional 1K-2K into a used MB is to put it into a car that lacks the MB cache. Say, a used Volvo. On a related note, I see that used '06 E Classes are now around 45K and there are loads to choose from. Thats got to be a good buy especially when you can pick one up with 4Matic when seemingly no price premium.
  • mrmellmrmell Posts: 10
    Anybody have any info on the 2008 Model Year E Class?
    Changes, body style, etc. Let me know. Thanks.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,579
    Anybody have any info on the 2008 Model Year E Class?
    Changes, body style, etc. Let me know. Thanks.


    No inforamation other than it is my understanding that the major change is due for '09.
  • aveghteaveghte Posts: 68
    Has anybody tried to install a convertible child seat (20 lbs - 80 lbs) in the middle of the back seat? It appears that there is room but there might not be a tether in the back and the hump shape of the middle position (normal for a rear wheel drive car) might not accomodate this setup.

    Also are the rear side airbags dangerous for my son when he is sitting in the car seat in the event of a side impact accident? If so, is it possible to disable the rear side airbags on the side of the car where the child seat is installed? Did it cost much money for this action to be performed?

    Thanks for your help - my wife and I are trying to decide whether to purchase the E350 or a BMW 5-series or an Audi A6.
  • aveghteaveghte Posts: 68
    One car salesman told me that the rear side airbags were small enough that they would not be too dangerous for my son in his car seat.

    Another car salesman told me that the rear side airbags could not be disabled by the dealer.

    Did the rear side airbags shrink in size from 2006 to 2007 or from the previous generation E-class to the current generation E-class? I see that for the 2006 and 2007 ML350 the rear side airbag changed from optional to standard equipment.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    "Microrepair, and that (European) brand would be?? "

    You're putting words in my mouth...!! I am not seriously considering any European makes right now, but I am still about a year away from needing a new(er) car. From what I know about current European makes, there aren't any that are above average in reliability, whereas, there are numerous Asian makes and a few American ones that are at or well above average reliability.

    But recently I've looked at Infiniti M35 (certified used), Hyundai Azera (new), Toyota Avalon (new), Chrysler 300 Touring (new), and Honda Accord's upcoming diesel. My choices will probably change in the next year, but I will still be looking for a mid-size sedan with respectable power/weight ratio (with good mpg), above average ride/handling qualities, decent trunk space, generous front legroom and headroom, some form of ESP with ABS and traction control, leather heated seats, and decent stereo.

    And reliable.. Is that too much to ask for?

    :cry: :(
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    I still think that living in New England as you do, a used all wheel drive E Class would be the way to go. Seems to me that there are ton of used E Classes out there and they are all the same , even down to a very narrow range of colors (silver predominate). Because they are largely all the same, you should be able to easily comparison shop and get a good price.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,579
    ............there are ton of used E Classes out there and they are all the same , even down to a very narrow range of colors (silver predominate)...........

    Yeah, some say you can get your choice of colors in a Mercedes as long as they're silver (LOL).
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