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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans

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  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    I think that trying to repair your E will take more money out of your pocket than it's worth.

    If you are interested, try getting a used car, preferably a Lexus, where you won't have any [significant] reliability problems.

    I am actually in the market for a new E350 4Matic (and a Range Rover Sport), but my wife currently has a Lexus RX330, which has been angelic in the dealer experience.

    I love the E350, but it sounds like you're not in the market for a new car right now.

    :(
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    I live in Chicago too, and I tested the E350 4Matic (and the Range Rover Sport, and the Cayenne S) three days ago.

    I think it is totally worth the money- the one we tested was $56K, with the NAV, harmon/kardon LOGIC7 12 speaker audio system, and xenon headlights.

    However, I'm sure that was a dealer special. I built an E350 4Matic online, and with those options, it topped $60K. It's very annoying how Mercedes overprices their cars.

    Finally, I hate the rims that the one I tested had. They were those chubby 16 or 17" five spokes that every E-Class in town has. I'd buy AMG wheels if they didn't cost $4,000.
  • blissfulblissful Posts: 79
    Deirdre,
    I had a similar problem with my 2000 Audi A6. In this case, the problem was easily remedied by the dealer. Apparently they just replaced the electric door lock mechanism. I had a number of other wierd electrical problems with that car, including replacing the Nav unit 3 times (fortunately, all under warranty.) Anyway, I don't know if it is any help, but in my case it was an intermittent problem also. It just happened that the dealer knew what to do. It sounds as if the battery is draining because the doorlocking circuit is shorting somewhere. Have you noticed the symptoms occuring more often after driving in the rain, or when humidity is high, or anything like that? Sure sounds like a colossal nuisance!
    Just occured to me that if it were my problem, I might also check with a shop that specializes in auto electronics- they might just be more adept at tracking down wierd things.
    Joy
  • berndbberndb Posts: 2
    Thank you for your advice, but I think you misunderstood me. I'm looking for technical information. Not car replacement advice. Our E-320 has 170,000 miles on it, never missed a beat, still looks and rides like new. The one and only repair outside of normal maintenance, oil changes, tires, brake pads Etc. Was a MAF at approx. 140,000 miles. Now it needs a head gasket, and a head gasket only. It uses no oil, the Cylinder bores checked out perfectly round and on the high side of new. Valves guides and springs are also on spec. I do change the oil and filter religiously every 6 mths. or 5000 miles with Mobil 1 10-30wt. Why would I want to replace it? and of all things with a disLexes? You are correct in assuming that I am not a member of the "Car of the Month Club" I'll let someone else take the depreciation hit, Thank you very much...
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    I picked up the E350 two weeks ago and am very pleased. All my complaints about the M are gone. I thought I would loose on the NAV, but I like the E's better. You don't have to press Ok everytime you start the car. Guidance is presented in the speedo's center. You can type directions using the joy stick or text entry like on a cell phone. I also find it gives better directions. The keyless Go system beats both Lexus and Infinity. You just walk up and pull the handle. No buttons to push. No initial touching. Plus it works on all 4 doors. The xenon lights are great. The brakes are great. The automatic wipers are great. I love the electric open/close trunk. The car is very smooth and quiet. The interior is beautiful. And I'm getting 350+ miles on a tank. 21+ mpg. That's a lot better than the M's 16 mpg.
  • pete51pete51 Posts: 20
    I am looking to replace a 97 e320. It has over 175,000 miles and overall I have been please with the car. I have been looking at off lease vehicle. I am trying to decide between a 2001-02 S430 or 2003-2004 E320-500. Any opinions about the pros and cons of the vehicles. I am looking to purchase. Als as with the last one, I intend on keeping it for at least 160-175k. Both seem to be in the same general price range. Please share any experiences or helpful information.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    From another MB board, some excerpts from a letter sent to dealers about the 2007 E-Class:

    Interior
    MY07 FACELIFT (mid-July 2006)
    Model Year 2007 welcomes a facelift for the E-Class, and introduction of 3 new engines:
    -E320 BLUETEC: 3.0L V6 with 221hp, 376 lb-ft. torque
    -E550: 5.5L V8 with 382hp, 391 lb-ft. torque
    -E63 AMG: 6.3L V8 with 507hp, 465 lb-ft. torque
    Other key exterior product changes include:
    -a more aggressively styled front air dam
    -new front grille
    -revised head lamps and tail lamps
    -aero mirrors (similar to CLS)
    -new side skirts
    -2 new paints: Arctic White and Jade Green
    Key interior product changes include:
    -PRE-SAFE
    -new steering wheel (CLS steering wheel)
    -re-designed HVAC operating unit
    -new shift/selector lever
    -4 new upholstery colors: Black, Cashmere, Black/Sahara Beige (Sport Models only), Black/Cognac Brown (Sport Models only)
    Photos of the Facelift will be forthcoming.
    Equipment Modifications
    Value Enhancement
    The following options will become standard equipment at no-additional charge:
    -Glass Sunroof (414)
    -harman/kardon LOGIC7 Digital Surround Sound System (810)
    -6-disc CD Changer (819)
    New Packaging
    Owing to the new standard equipment listed above, we have further streamlined our packaging. Based on the successful E-Class Premium Package, launched with MY06, two "premium packages" will be offered - P1 and P2 - each of which offers significant value and includes options with proven customer demand.
    P1 - E350/E320 BLUETEC: $2390 / E550: $2840 / E63 AMG: $2000
    -DVD Navigation
    -SIRIUS Satellite Radio
    -Hands-Free Communication System
    -Heated Front Seats (Active Ventilated Seats with Heating Feature for E550 and E63 AMG)
    -Power-Rear Window Sunshade (Rear Side-window sunblinds for E350 4MATIC Wagon)
    P2 - E350/E320 BLUETEC: $4290 / E550: $4740 / E63 AMG: $3900
    Includes all items in P1
    -Bi-Xenon low-beam and high-beam headlamps with active curve illumination system
    -Keyless Go
    -Heated Headlamp Washers
    Sport/Luxury Strategy
    In addition to the enhancements planned for the upcoming MY07 Facelift, we would like to announce the start of a new E-Class Sport/Luxury product strategy, similar to the successful C-Class strategy. This strategy allows you the flexibility to tailor you inventory to meet growing customer demand for more aggressive and sportier styling. The E350W, E350W4, E550W and E550W4 will adopt a 2-prong approach (Sport and Luxury) while the E320 BLUETEC and E350S4 will remain exclusively Luxury.
    The E-Class Sport Sedan will be based on the 333 Sport Package launched late last year. This package, which is no-charge for MY07 Facelift, features key "sport" elements including 18" 10-twin spoke wheels, sport rear bumper with dual exhaust tailpipes, lowered sport suspension, blue-tinted glass, Black-Birdseye Maple Wood, and matte chrome surrounding the gearshift with a white-gauged instrument cluster.
    The E-Class Luxury sedan will be similar to the current, stylish model commonly seen today. Key "luxury" features include 17" wheels (for the E350 and E550 models only), an elegant rear bumper, comfort suspension, green-tinted glass, and Burl Walnut Wood complementing the well-dressed interior.
    Exterior
    The following colors are new:
    -Arctic White (650) replaces Alabaster White (960)
    -Jade Green (300) replaces Everest Green (816)
    Wheels: For MY07, the E350 models will receive a new 7-spoke 17" design. Additionally, the E63 AMG models will receive a new 5-spoke 18" design. Please note: the E320 BLUETEC, E550 Models, and the Sport Package will retain their current wheels.
    Also new for MY07 E-Class are Chrome wheels (R86). These wheels will be based on the same 5-spoke 17" design seen on the MY06 E500, and will be available as an option on select Luxury Models only. Please see the Product Highlights section for wheel updates.
    Other
    E-Class Station Wagon:
    In our continuing efforts to streamline our portfolio and provide you with products which support your market requirements, we will offer just a single variant of the E-Class Station Wagon: E350S4. The E350S and E550S4 will no longer be offered for MY07.
    Additionally, the Power Tailgate (890) becomes standard equipment.


    © Mercedes-Benz, 2005

    M
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    That P2 option for $4200 would have cost over $12,000 on the 2006. The options on my 2006 E350 came to about $10,000. I got everything in the new P2 except for hands free. So I see the 2007 virtually the same car as 2006, with a big price reduction.

    I also think the marketing split between luxury and sport is a good stategy. The emphasis on luxury really appeals to me as buyer and I know others will gravitate to the sport side.

    I bet the hands-free will be that new bluetooth option rumored to be out this month and available for late model command modules.
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    All my complaints about the M are gone.

    Are you talking about the Infiniti M35?

    I think that many options in your article are fad-ish nonsense. Keyless go, electric trunk, etc. You don't need keyless go for any large reason, and the electric trunk is only meaningful on an SUV. I think I'm fine walking up to a sedan and opening the trunk myself, thank you very much!

    I thought the features were very nice in the E350 4Matic I tested, but there was something about the interior that seemed a bit... off. I'm used to Audi interiors with perfect ergonomics and materials, and it seemed as though the Benz had lesser materials. Maybe I'm being overcritical, but I thought the Range Rover Sport, which we also tested, had a nicer interior. That really depends on your taste. However, I love the new S-Class- but it's much too big and expensive for my family. (It looks gorgeous in black!)

    ;)
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    ...with a big price reduction.

    Really??? I'd love to see that! Then maybe an E350 4Matic with our options would be less than $60,000!
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    Yes, the M35x is what I dumped. You are right, I don't need keyless go or the electric trunk, but they are features which I do enjoy and use everyday. It is a convenience to never take your keys out of your pocket.

    I live in Chicago and here, our cars are often dirty or covered in salt. It is nice to fully open and close the trunk without touching the metal.

    I never used stuff like lane departure warning, electric rear seats, DVD players and rear seat radio controls in my M35x.

    I am very familiar with interiors from Audi, Infinit and Lexus. Like the outside, this is subjective. I very much dislike the Audi. To me it looked cheap. I do like Range Rover, but it's too big.

    And one place we fully agree on - That new S-Class is gorgeous in and out. But it's too big for me. I'm hoping a lot of it filters down to next rebuild of E-Class due in the fall of 2008. Seems like everything looks best in black, but black is too high maintenance for me.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah I think Mercedes is finally starting to get a clue about how to package options while at the same time offering more standard equipment. ESF will love this statement...lol.

    The E-Class will never be a bargain, no Mercedes is but this revision in equipment will likely be a big hit once the 07's hit the ground.

    M
  • vl39vl39 Posts: 14
    I have a 2006 CDI on order with all options. Using the pricing info for 2007, my car would have been $300 cheaper. This is still a good deal because of all the new innovations built into the standard equipment.

    Bluetooth is currently available and will therefore be on the new vehicle. I have ordered the hardwire version to take advantage of the car's antenna. With bluetooth you can only use the phone's antenna. If you would like more info, go to www.wireless4mb.com.
  • donaldedonalde Posts: 1
    Does anyone know if the 2007 E-320 Bluetec Diesel will be available with 4-matic ? Will it have the new 7 speed transmission ? Where can I get more info on the Bluetec ? Is this technology too new to purchase in the first model year ?
    Don
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Not sure what MBUSA will do yet, but the E320 Diesel is available with 4Matic in Europe. It would be a big mistake if they didn't offer that combo here IMO. Diesel tech has been around for a while now and the Bluetec is just an advancement on a familiar theme so no I wouldn't worry about that.

    M
  • blissfulblissful Posts: 79
    I agree with edspider. The Keyless GO and electronic trunk closer are items I added on my car, but thought long and hard about. However, now that I have them, I LOVE them! We also have a New Jetta tdi with a similar style trunk to the cdi. It is surprisingly difficult to close. There is no external handle to close the trunk with, and no inside pulldown as the Audi has- therefore the electronic trunk closer is useful indeed (I don't like dirty hands from touching the trunk either).

    Keyless GO is exceptionally convenient for the reasons edspider mentioned. It is so nice to be able to just walk up to the car and pull open the door handle! Touch of a button as you leave, and all is secure. Couldn't be better- especially when my hands are full of briefcase, purse, coat etc. To know them is to love them.

    I also have the Panorama roof. Now that IS a luxury item, but I love the openness it affords the interior. Personal choice to be sure.
    Joy
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    I've had keyless GO on Lexus and Infiniti's, too. And my partner at work has it on Acura. Mercedes does it best. Infiniti is the worse. Lexus is pretty close to Mercedes. I'm suprised how subtle differences make a big difference in functionality.

    I thought about the panorama roof, but the only one I saw was at the auto show. I figured it would only look good on a black body. I love black and think they look the best, but they are just too high maintenance for me. (I went with Pewter). I think earlier panoramic roofs included a solar powered fan to keep the cabin cooled when sitting in the sun, but that was sadly dropped in 2006.
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    I want to add the handsfree phone option, but I'm holding off until the bluetooth option is available. It's expected any day now. Because Benz has impressed me so much with how well they've implemented everything else, I'm ok with the premium cost. I need the best possible sound because I hear with a cochlear implant. The handsfree options in the 06 M35 and 04 LS430 weren't good enough for me. The 04 LS implementation of bluetooth was dismal. The 06 M35 was much better, but had sound quality issues.
  • I have been a loyal owner of Mercedes Benz vehicles for many years and considering purchasing a 2005 E320 CDI. I have heard from a few owners that 2003 and newer E- class models with the GPS Navigation System have electrical problems. I would like to hear from owners without the Navigation system, are you having electrical problems also? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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