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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans

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  • steve3226steve3226 Posts: 15
    You've had lots of advise here. Mine is that in any event, if you buy an out of warranty MB the condition of the car far out ways the difference in one or two model years. Be prepared for expensive MB repairs. If costs are a major factor, I'd recommend a Japanese car.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Posts: 505
    On used MB's....

    I've bought two used E-class cars in the last 8 years and I am convinced that the only way to buy a used MB is with Starmark coverage. Both of mine have needed repairs before 100,000 miles that would have cost me $1000 or more at least once each. Along with a couple of other repairs that would have cost $3-400 each. My first was a '96 and my current one is an '01.

    Having said that, I have friends who have older models that are running fine with few repairs into the hundreds of thousands of miles. One just turned 400,000 last month and is running great. It has some rust showing up, but mechanically is excellent. However, it is a diesel and it is a '94 model.

    Starting in '96 with the 4-eye E-class, the quality started to decline. Ergo, the need for warranty coverage beyond the factory original. The condition is less important than the fact that MB has definitely lowered the quality of the components being used on the newer models. An example: my '96 had the original catalytic converter when I sold it at 140,000 miles. My '01 had one converter replaced (it has two) at 49,000 (under warranty) and the other I just paid $900 for at 84,000 miles. I rest my case.

    And I will NOT be buying another MB. I'm going to move on to a more reliable brand when I need my next car. :cry:
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Microrepair, and that (European) brand would be??

    I don't see anyway around this. If you want to drive a European car you are going to have maintenance/repair bills higher than someone in a Camry. Maybe the only thing worse than putting the ocasional 1K-2K into a used MB is to put it into a car that lacks the MB cache. Say, a used Volvo. On a related note, I see that used '06 E Classes are now around 45K and there are loads to choose from. Thats got to be a good buy especially when you can pick one up with 4Matic when seemingly no price premium.
  • mrmellmrmell Posts: 10
    Anybody have any info on the 2008 Model Year E Class?
    Changes, body style, etc. Let me know. Thanks.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    Anybody have any info on the 2008 Model Year E Class?
    Changes, body style, etc. Let me know. Thanks.


    No inforamation other than it is my understanding that the major change is due for '09.
  • aveghteaveghte Posts: 68
    Has anybody tried to install a convertible child seat (20 lbs - 80 lbs) in the middle of the back seat? It appears that there is room but there might not be a tether in the back and the hump shape of the middle position (normal for a rear wheel drive car) might not accomodate this setup.

    Also are the rear side airbags dangerous for my son when he is sitting in the car seat in the event of a side impact accident? If so, is it possible to disable the rear side airbags on the side of the car where the child seat is installed? Did it cost much money for this action to be performed?

    Thanks for your help - my wife and I are trying to decide whether to purchase the E350 or a BMW 5-series or an Audi A6.
  • aveghteaveghte Posts: 68
    One car salesman told me that the rear side airbags were small enough that they would not be too dangerous for my son in his car seat.

    Another car salesman told me that the rear side airbags could not be disabled by the dealer.

    Did the rear side airbags shrink in size from 2006 to 2007 or from the previous generation E-class to the current generation E-class? I see that for the 2006 and 2007 ML350 the rear side airbag changed from optional to standard equipment.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Posts: 505
    "Microrepair, and that (European) brand would be?? "

    You're putting words in my mouth...!! I am not seriously considering any European makes right now, but I am still about a year away from needing a new(er) car. From what I know about current European makes, there aren't any that are above average in reliability, whereas, there are numerous Asian makes and a few American ones that are at or well above average reliability.

    But recently I've looked at Infiniti M35 (certified used), Hyundai Azera (new), Toyota Avalon (new), Chrysler 300 Touring (new), and Honda Accord's upcoming diesel. My choices will probably change in the next year, but I will still be looking for a mid-size sedan with respectable power/weight ratio (with good mpg), above average ride/handling qualities, decent trunk space, generous front legroom and headroom, some form of ESP with ABS and traction control, leather heated seats, and decent stereo.

    And reliable.. Is that too much to ask for?

    :cry: :(
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    I still think that living in New England as you do, a used all wheel drive E Class would be the way to go. Seems to me that there are ton of used E Classes out there and they are all the same , even down to a very narrow range of colors (silver predominate). Because they are largely all the same, you should be able to easily comparison shop and get a good price.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    ............there are ton of used E Classes out there and they are all the same , even down to a very narrow range of colors (silver predominate)...........

    Yeah, some say you can get your choice of colors in a Mercedes as long as they're silver (LOL).
  • microrepairmicrorepair Posts: 505
    Well, after owning two E-class sedans and seeing how the newer one is less reliable than the older one and since the older wasn't especially reliable, I've decided to avoid MB (until I hit the Lottery and can afford to sell a car when it needs it's first expensive repair!) and go for a more reliable brand. None of which are made in Germany..

    Re: AWD and living in NE.. I've lived in Mass. all my life and have thousands of miles under my belt of driving on snow and ice. I've never had a serious problem with 2 wheel drive, either front or rear. And after owning my current E with ESP, I will NOT buy another car without it. I prefer to avoid AWD/4WD systems due to (Ya got it!) reliability and extra dead weight (increased fuel consumption). More parts equals more failures. I spent most of my life working as a mechanical engineer and can't get away from the idea that simplicity breeds reliability.

    Re: color... That is almost funny... Mine isn't silver, it's the Desert Sand. I got a GREAT deal on it because it sat at my dealer's for 7-8 months and they were going to wholesale it off. But they posted it on AutoTrader as a last resort and I happened to spot it there and went in to my salesman and asked if he would honor that greatly reduced price even though 3 months earlier the best he could do for me was 8 grand more. They accepted but offered me so little for my older E that I then sold my 96 on Autotrader for 2 grand MORE than they offered me and it was a dealer from Florida who bought it and had it shipped directly over to the middle East.. He must have had some Sheiks anxious for a used MB...!! So I ended up getting a my Certified E class for about 55% of the original sticker and got a terrific deal on my old one to boot.. My net cost was about half the price of a new Infiniti M35.. [Not bad for a 27 month old E320!] Bottom line was my dealer couldn't move the car due to the color, in fact, my wife didn't like the color at all. But I am not that hung up on colors and actually, the Desert Sand is great because it really hides the normal dirt..

    I know I'll miss the great ride, but being retired I can no longer afford $800 repair bills every 8-10 months.. So on to an Asian or American brand that costs less to buy and own..

    :cry: :cry: :cry:
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Nice post. I think that if you lived outside Rt 495 you might feel the need for AWD. Living outside 495, I've driven mostly AWD cars for the last 20 years. As a result I wouldn't know ESP from Adam. I do think that a non-AWD car if rationally driven would be fine. Three to six nights a year though, you wouldn't want to go back out after you got home from work. (As I recall, when I was growing up, no one when out after 6:00 PM during the week anyway because nothing was open.)

    In any case, I think that you should look at Volvo S80s. Their bling factor is low and as a result their resale is low. Moreover, there is a new edition now on the market and new versions tend to lower the resale on the old models. All in all, I think a used S80 might offer you good value with its front wheel drive, nice interior, heated seats, safety, some cache when you go to Tanglewood, etc. etc.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    I know I'll miss the great ride, but being retired I can no longer afford $800 repair bills every 8-10 months.. So on to an Asian or American brand that costs less to buy and own..

    May I point out that $800 every 8 months works out to $100/month -- far less than the typical monthly payment on a new mid-priced car? Although I don't have an MB, I do own a 6-yo BMW, so I share your concern about repair costs. But I would happily hang onto my car forever if I could be reasonably sure that it wouldn't cost much more than a hundred per month to do so. (That's 3 bucks & change per day. I could save that much by reining in my coffee habit.)

    Over time, I've come to believe that depreciation is the great destroyer of wealth - more so than post-warranty repair costs. It's usually cheaper to fix what you own than it is to replace it - particularly if you're buying new.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Jimbres, let me chime in and second your thought about the ravages of depreciation. M/B ran an ad about 10 years ago showing that while a new big MB sedan may be 10K more than a big Jag, it actually costs less per mile to own because of the significantly higher resale!

    The luxury sedans all take a big hit when they are three to four years old and about to come off warranty. No one wants one. The drive-to-impress MD/JD/MBA is already into his new leased car (these folks never seem to realize why they have such low net worth compared to their high incomes) and other people fear used lux cars, maybe rightfully so.

    How about this for a strategy. Subsitute some leg work and internet research for the ease in buying something new by buying a CPO luxury car. Before it comes off CPO have it gone over very carefully. Even if you do have some heavy maintenance costs, a two to three year old S Class is now down into the mid to high 40Ks. This is a bargain by anyone's measure. To further refine this strategy, pick something out that has lots of nice features but a lower than usual resale. Like the trouble free '04 and newer Jags and the Volvo S80.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    My approach to acquiring & operating cars has been to buy 'em new & then squeeze out the value by driving them for a long time (at least 8 & as many as 13 years). But your point about buying CPO cars is well taken. With so many fools folks leasing these days, there are lots of lightly-driven cars out there.

    The next time I'm in the market (possibly in '09 - more likely in '10), I'll check out CPO'd Jags. (Not Volvos, though. Drove an S80 a couple of years ago & found it numb & boring.)
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Numb and boring an old style S80 is, but for microrepair and others living in New England who don't want AWD the S80 with its FWD is an alternative. Maybe the only FWD semi-lux car?
  • lex10lex10 Posts: 30
    DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY PLANNED CHANGES FOR THE 2008 E CLASS. I WAS LOOKING TO PURCHASE A 2007 E 350 4 MATIC AND I AM CONTEMPLATING IF I SHOULD WAIT FOR THE 2008?
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    New E Class comes out in MY 2009. Buy a MY2008 and save big buck$ at end of year.

    YMMV
  • jimm5jimm5 Posts: 5
    I’m told that production begins on the 08 E Class the week of June 10.

    Another 08 buyer told me that his dealer said production begins June 1. In any event, it looks like it will be VERY soon now.

    BUT, I have asked and asked and I can’t find out ANYTHING about ANY changes. Please post as soon as you hear anything!

    jimm

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    On Order: 08 E350 Sport, P2, Black/black,
    Parktronic, Voice, Bluetooth, Burl Walnut,
    Split rear seat, Rear mud flaps
  • jimm5jimm5 Posts: 5
    I’m trying find out what’s new on the 08 E-class, too.

    jimm

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    On Order: 08 E350 Sport, P2, Black/black,
    Parktronic, Voice, Bluetooth, Burl Walnut,
    Split rear seat, Rear mud flaps
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