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Honda Civic 2005 and earlier

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  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    Very interesting discussion on brakes here. Also makes me wonder about people's braking habits. First off, all car feel differently when they brake. Some have pedal modulation, some stop smooth and short, some stop quickly but can give you a pain in the neck while doing it. The comparison tests only tell you the shortest stopping distance after a series of panic stops. This test only reflects the one in a one hundred thousand stops that the average driver makes (yes, I made up this stat). What is important, is you the drive must learn how your car behaves. You have to learn the capability of your car. And don't forget those tests, don't consider YOUR driving habits. If you follow simple common sense like don't foolow to close to th car in front of you, try to anticpate other drivers' actions, try to look ahead in the road, watch your speeds in certain situations etc. it doesn't matter if the Civic takes 5 feet longer to stop then another car. You, the driver, of the car must adjust for this.

    This should be fun checking out this board after lunch.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Unfortunately, not everyone follows common sense when driving. For them (and the people they are tailgating), those 5 extra feet could avoid a lot of trouble.
  • bsme1991bsme1991 Posts: 23
    Five year ownership cost based on 15,000 mi/year including financing, fuel, maintenance, and repairs. Zip code 97005:

    Focus SVT $28,164
    RSX 2D 5M $27,069
    Celica GT 2D 5M $25,001
    Civic Si side air bags $24,718
    Accord LX 4D 2.3L 5M $24,557
    Elantra GLS 2L 5M $23,559
    Focus LX 4D 5M $23,496
    Civic EX 4D 5M side air bags $22,402
    Sentra GXE 4D 5M $22,309
    Civic EX 4D 5M $22,261
    Civic LX 4D 5M $20,954
    http://applications.edmunds.com/products/tco/TCOintroController
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    The Civs brakes are adequate. I can feel them bite but it's the tires that break adhesion.
    The wife's minivan has GY-Eagles and she has yet to have the ABS engage.
    It's a no-brainer, there are numerous here who've taken the plunge and swapped out the Firesucks.
  • Does someone know of any on-line parts web pages? Are there any Town Hall discussions here already regarding cost and whether or not to self install things like keyless entry on an 2002 LX. Links and recommendations will be appreciated. Thanks.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Do a Google search for Honda parts, and pick the ones you like - there are several out there, almost all of them authorized dealers who maintain good websites and competitive prices.
  • osum02osum02 Posts: 29
    I've always read and heard that Honda makes the best 5 speed manual transmission in the auto industry. A lot of the auto analysts have made comments such as buttery smooth, super slick, short throws between shifts. I've read recently that the 7th generation Civic's 5 speed manuals are even better and smoother with a "click-stop" feel. Does anyone find this to be true? Also does an automatic trans. reduce the power you get and conversely a stick shift draw more power and performance from the engine? Years ago I was told a 5 speed manual trans. is more reliable and will last a lot longer than a automatic trans. Does anyone know if this is still true? Thanks for any comments you can make about this subject!
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    The current gen Honda manual is excellent, though I'm not sure I would go so far as to say it sets come kind of new standard.

    Automatics in this class of car by definition are going to rob some performance; with a torque converter automatic, you need lots of torque for the effect to go away, and these engines don't have it. So sure, there is some performance loss - how important that is to you is a matter of taste and nothing could be more personal - there is no right answer.

    CVTs are probably the wave of the future for all automatics, but especially when combined with engines of less than 3 liters of displacement. The latest CVTs do not cut performance at all, and in fact can be faster and more economical than a manual trans with the same engine [see the new Audi A4 as exhibit A].

    As for reliability, the days are long gone when you could generalize that a manual transmission and clutch combined were going to give a longer trouble-free life than a good automatic. In the Civic, they are pretty much equal in the sense of giving you 100k miles without making some major repair, and that tends to be true for Toyota [Corolla, Camry] as well. Because of some supplier quality problems, the V6 Accords have had some hiccups that affected a small percentage of cars, but not enough to make the generalization different.

    So: performance differences are still there in this class of car, but long-term reliability differences are not. Buy what makes you feel right - in our market, automatics tend to be easier to sell at resale time, but even that is less the case with Civics than with nearly every other car on the road. Once you move into the next class [Accord/Camry], the market for manuals, especially on resales, is much smaller.
  • Thanks for the links and suggestions.
  • anybody knows where i can find an aftermarket armrest for both driver and front passenger in a 2001 civic.
  • tlindemantlindeman Posts: 16
    firephoenix777...good luck! I completed an exhaustive search for an aftermarket company who might have an armrest for our cars and came up dry. Husco, the largest maker of aftermarket "sliding" armrests informed me that they had no plans to produce one at this time due to the low number of interest inquiries...even though their website said it was under development and to "check back in 30-60 days" (which they removed after I complained that they shouldn't be announcing it was under development when they told me they had no plans to introduce one!) I find it hard to believe that with the hundreds of thousands of 7th generation Civics sold their isn't a large potential market here...expecially considering the absolutely useless stub connected to the seat that Honda calls an armrest. That thing is 3" too short to be useful and just gets in the way of the seatbelt...what are these engineers thinking?
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    Sorry, I just can't help myself. When you are driving at high speed,(really high speed), does the soda in your 7-11 big gulp flow towards one side of the cup?
  • i guess the gas won't shift to the back during high speed. however, i think it's because the final part of my trip was on an upward slope, so i guess the gas "shifted" to the back of the tank, causing the light to come on earlier.......
  • bjk2001bjk2001 Posts: 358
    Why don't you try it out yourself? LOL. You could fill soda in your 7-11 big gulp to the rim don't overfill it, then put your big gulp on top of the dashboard. make sure not spill any of them. Then drive you car to see if there is any soda spill out of your big gulp? Make sure you put some paper towel under it in case any soda spill.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    1) I did not say to fill the cup up to the rim, actually you don't have to do that to see if the soda is flowing to one side of the cup during "high speed driving". On the other hand, if you fill it to the rim, the soda will spill regardless of speed. I do not understand why you want to fill to the rim.

    2)firephoenix asked if anything will happen to the gas in the gas tank during CONSTANT high speed driving, and my understanding is different than yours, which is it didn't matter thus my example of the big gulp.

    3) If you still think the gas will flow to the back of the tank, ask any physics teacher.

    It did happen to me once when I parked on a steep hill with very little gas in the tank and the car won't start. Had to put the car in neutral and roll down the hill, then the car started. Won't make that mistake again.
  • vbhallavbhalla Posts: 2
    Hi does anybody remmeber a posted note by someone quoting it for 14988...do let me know the # of that message..thanks
  • rileyyhrileyyh Posts: 49
    Hi y'all! I just purchased my first car, the civic hybrid and I'm sooooo happy! It is just a cool and very capable car. I am eager to go driving, I find it very fun. I've test drove so many cars today but I still found the civic hybrid to be my favorite from the protege5, new altima, and the xterra. My parents wanted me to test drive the Rav4 because they thought it looked nice but I didn't want to so I got my silverish blue civic hybrid. I feel bad though because during my test drive of the car I purchased, I wanted to see how it would respond to a hard press on the gas and so I just made it go 60mph as fast as it would off a start on the sport mode and then shifted up to drive mode. If this car is as reliable as other Hondas, I think I will be very satisfied. I don't know how factual this is but the salesguy said that according to the books, this car is prospected to go 220,000 or even 300,000 miles. I think that's a stretch but any car that passes 100,000 without any major problems is a great car to me.

    riley
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Here in NorCalif, some dealers are advertising EX automatics for $15.7k, so you can do the math - manuals are indeed under $15k, though rather harder to find. And this is May - a bit deeper into the model year, and the dealer incentives will probably drive the price down another notch or two...
  • bjk2001bjk2001 Posts: 358
    Civic Ex 4 Dr Auto without Side Air bag is selling @ $14,988 in So Cal. We got ours last month.
  • jjpcatjjpcat Posts: 118
    I did some experience this past weekend. I inflated the tires in my 2001 Civic LX to 41psi (cold tire), well above the Honda's recommendation of 30psi and just below the max allowed by the Firestone FR690 (44psi). I noticed the ride quality is improved a bit (less bouncy when hitting the potholes or some other small irregularities). But it didn't help when riding over speed bumps.

    This puzzles me. I thought the common sense is that the over-inflated tires produce more bouncy ride. Any explanations?
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    I have yet to do any shopping. I'm looking for a new car for my 79 yeer old mother. Oddly enough, she hates a slow car(in town driving only). Otherwise, she wants a no-brainer coupe or sedan, cheap as possible, and totally dependable. The Civic seems to fit the bill althought the smallish engine is a concern. I'm a bit confused by the various HP numbers and transaxle configurations on the Civic. On Sunday I prowled the Honda and Mazda lots and it seems a basic Accord is very little more than a Civic or Protege. The Accord looks like a more substantial car than either although they had a rather plain looking Civic LX coupe that seemed like a buy. Any thoughts before I go try them out?
  • britton2britton2 Posts: 305
    You might want to take a look at a Corolla too - more horsepower than the Civic - dependable (as are Hondas) better powertrain warranty (this was true on the '01's - I assume this applies to the '03's)I have driven nothing but Hondas and Toyotas for the past 22 years - good luck
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...our '03 Corolla actually performs a bit better than either the Civic or Accord 4, and has a trunk that is almost as big as an Accord. It is the perfect choice, in my opinion, for the uses you describe.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I think that more important than the added hp of the Corolla vs. the Civic LX, is the torque difference, which is noticeable around town. If your mother wants fast, or at least gutsy, she'll be disappointed with the Accord DX and its 135 hp, though the 150 hp/152 lb ft LX would give her what she wants, its more expensive than you can get the Civic/Corolla for (perhaps thats blatantly obvious though..sorry).
    ~alpha
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,929
    Who hates a slow car....why am I scared?

    Civic or Corolla, both good choices.

    A lot of older folks like the mushier ride of Corollas and Camrys a bit better than Hondas.

    Have her drive both of them.
  • bjk2001bjk2001 Posts: 358
    Dardson1:

    You better take your 79 yrs old mom to the dealership and ask her to test drive Civic, Corolla, Accord. Don't just look at HP and Torque. That's misleading. Also car size, wt, tranny, also depends on the engine performance, at what useful RPM does it perform better? Just HP or Torque numbers don't mean anything. Granted its not good old American V8. Civic has enough power to get your mom going, also it is good on gas MPG.

    Since she is 79, I don't know how tall she is, I think cars ergonomics is important. How easy for her to get in and out. To me Corolla is a little tight in driver position than Civic, 03 Corolla has improved some. Also Civic is more fun to drive than Corolla. Since you mentioned cheap is important too. If you only look at how much you pay for the car as your criteria for cheap. How about some Korean car, they give your 100K miles warranty on it. (My wife will never buy a Korean car. we had bad experiences with Korean home electronics. I am working on her to see if she is willing to buy Korean computer products. LOL) But if you look at actual cost, Civic has better resale value than Corolla, Mazda or any Korean car. Edmunds True Ownership cost estimate will give you some suggestion, too.

    I went thru the whole thing before we bought 02 Civic Ex for my daughter last month. We were looking at Civic LX, but after look at the difference price vs options ABS, CD player, Sunroof . We decided to go for EX. You can't get ABS with Civic LX. ABS is an available option for Accord LX sedan.

    1987 we bought our father-in-law a Toyota Corolla. He likes it, but once a while he would talk about owning a Honda Civic. Bottom line is to take your mom to the dealership and let her test drive and make a decision herself. She will be much happier. Well at least she won't (can't) complain that I wish you had bought me a "....."

    Good luck,

    bjk
  • zepplinl1zepplinl1 Posts: 7
    Hi all, I've been reading your repsonses for so long now that I figured I should write seeing as I have a problem.
    I have a 2001 Honda Civic EX with about 14,000 miles on it. When I back up and step on the brakes, I hear a semi-loud *clunk* noise coming from both the front brakes. Then, when I go forward right after backing up and step on the brakes for the first time, I hear the same noise. No other times do I hear it though.
    I thought a pin holding the pads in place was gone but dealer said no and that it was normal in Hondas. Anyone else have this happen to them because I don't think it's normal...

    Thanks!!!!
  • britton2britton2 Posts: 305
    bjk2001 is right - since she will be the one driving it - she should test drive the cars and pick out the one she likes best - I have driven the '03 Corolla and the '02 Civic and I must disagree that the Civic is more fun to drive - both good cars though
  • howachowac Posts: 52
    zepplinl1,

    If I'm not mistaken, I think the clicking or clunking is normal for disc brakes. I remember reading something about a "self-adjusting" feature that re-levels or re-aligns the brake pads every time the brakes are applied after the wheels reverse directions.

    Anybody else wants to shed some light on the technical details of this feature? My memory is failing me.
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