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Honda Civic 2005 and earlier

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  • cwliangcwliang Posts: 54
    jmarronte: I'm getting 32-35 mpg driving 70% highway and 30% city on my 02 EX sedan. I'm pretty light-footed, though, probably only hit 5-6k RPM once or twice per fill-up and for the most part keep the revs under 3000 on the highway and under 2000 on local roads.

    As for LX vs. EX, I've driven both and the LX does feel slightly better in the low ranges but not enough IMHO to offset for running out of 'breath' in the 4000+ revs... whereas in my EX I feel like power is always just 1k (and a downshift) away... Unless you're racing...
  • soberssobers Posts: 496
    I read that 2003 are going to have some more chnages to the rear suspension to make it more sporty. Better tires are also on call for EX. EX is supposed to get Alloy Wheels. This without any price increase. THere is likelyhood of Lx getting Keyless entry standard as almost 70% buyres get it installed !! These are not at all confirmed though.
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    Here's part of what Honda says about the 2003 Civic changes (at HondaNews.com)

    2003 Honda Civic Coupe and Sedans, the Best Become Even Better

    Torrance, Calif.
    08/20/2002 --
    The Honda Civic, long considered the best car in its class and America's small car sales leader, features a host of product enhancements on the sedan and coupe models for the 2003 model year, including:

      Interior
        - Improved seat fabric on all models,
        - New center console with armrest and storage compartment (LX/EX),
        - New easy to read illuminated gauges (HX/LX/EX),
        - Rear adjustable outboard headrests (DX, LX, GX, HX, EX),
        - Sporty 4-spoke steering wheel (DX, LX, GX, HX, EX),
        - CD player added as standard equipment on HX and LX models,
        - Manual driver's seat height adjustment on LX models.
      Exterior
        - Aluminum alloy wheels added to the EX coupe models,
        - New wheel cover designs on DX/LX sedan and coupe and EX sedan,
        - Two new exterior colors: Galapagos Green and Shoreline Mist,
        - Rear combination tail lamps on sedan receive a freshened, re-designed appearance.

    :)

  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...are only on the EX coupe, not the sedan. Still, it all sounds like more progress...lots of small complaints being addressed. Getting the height-adjustable seat in the LX is especially important.
  • cwliangcwliang Posts: 54
    I would love to have a (real?) center console instead of the driver's armrest. ;)
  • pompedopompedo Posts: 2
    Can anyone tell me what a 2002 civic lx 4 door sedan with auto transmission in SW Pennsylvania (or somewhere in the east)might go for $.
  • bjk2001bjk2001 Posts: 358
    While I was pumping air in our 02 EX front tire last night, I looked inside the wheelwell and I could see light at the other end of the car. I looked closely I noticed that front wheelwells are open to the engine bay. I have never had a car with open wheelwell. I am picturing during winter time when its wet it's going to get dirty inside the engine bay.
    Is it all the Civic or just EX Sedan due to shoehorn everything inside the engine compartment? I know older Civic didn't have open wheelwell.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    It's in all of the new Civics, as well as the redesigned CR-V.
  • cwliangcwliang Posts: 54
    I don't know specifically about SW Pennsylvania, you might want to try Edmunds' TMV prices or carsdirect.com to get an idea of what is being paid in your area. But at this point in the year I would think that you should be able to get a car under invoice pretty easily.
  • deluxcardeluxcar Posts: 47
    We paid $14,200 for a Ruby Red 4-door LX sedan with automatic transmission in Boston (Boch Honda). Competing dealers were offering between $14,500 to $14,850.

    Instead of buying the floor mats from the dealer we ordered online (http://www.hondaccessories.com) for $64.80, plus shipping of $7.95 for a total price of $72.75. Additionally, we replaced the standard AM/FM radio cassette with a Clarion DB225 CD player with AM/FM radio for $200 installed.
  • stragerstrager Posts: 308
    I finally had a chance to compare these 3 back to back. Before the test drives, I checked the tire pressure to make sure it was correct. Here's my evaluation (note that I've only included a few things). All had adequate power for normal driving, IMHO.

    Civic LX with auto
    HIGHS: Well weighted steering, a "connected to the road feeling", really fun to drive. Good view over the hood. Minimal engine or wind noise. Good driver's armrest. Simple, no-nonsense pricing (LX,EX etc).
    LOWS: Lots of road noise spoils the fun! Ride can be bumpy. Same old styling and color selection (would it hurt if they added just a little more pizzazz?)

    Corolla LX with auto
    HIGHS: Looks and feels expensive, roomy rear seat, higher seating, outside temperature gauge, better color selection than Civic.
    LOWS: Steering felt very light (I could fall asleep at the wheel), sometimes floaty ride, more wind/engine noise than Civic, higher dashboard than Civic. Useless armrest. Not so simple pricing, lots of "options" but not as bad as Matrix (in this regard).

    Matrix XR with auto
    HIGHS: High seating position (one just slides into the seat), good view over dashboard, better steering feel than Corolla but not as good as Civic, better ride than Corolla (Matrix less floaty) or Civic (Matrix less bumpy). Very roomy seating and great flexibility for carrying cargo/people. Reasonable color selection.
    LOWS: Instruments/gauges overdesigned at the expense of ergonomics(Pontiac/Toyota were trying too hard to make them look cool). Monotonous black/gray interior, a lighter contrast color would give it an airier feeling, IMHO. Useless armrest. Wind noise same as Corolla, and more than Civic. No folding mirrors for a vehicle that's almost 70" wide. Absurd looking mandatory "optional" ground effects. Even more absurd and overly complicated pricing with lots of options.

    For my needs, the Matrix offered the best balance between driving fun and functionality. Unfortunately, Toyota has ruined the Matrix's appeal and styling with its absurd "options". I've heard that Honda will be out with the Stream/Latitude next year, and that may end up being the vehicle I finally buy.
  • 123463123463 Posts: 1
    I need to make a purchase decision in one week and am quite intrigued by the hybrid car for obvious reasons. I am having difficulty, though, figuring out how the hybrid would compare to a Toyota Camry with respect to safety. Are there any "independent" publications I could read that would guide me on this matter? Thanks.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    My son is shopping for a new car and is looking at the Protege and Civic. Is the extra $$ for an ABS necessary? He's used to ABS but most of the Civics (and even more so for the Proteges!) we've seen on the lots don't have them. This leads me to believe that the brakes on Civics are pretty good w/o ABS. Comments?

    Any input appreciated.....
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    I doubt it's an issue of whether or not the brakes on the Civic are good, but rather a price-point Honda was trying to achieve. They can price the Civic's lower without ABS and then charge extra for the people who really want it.

    JM2C
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    That seems to be what I'm hearing from the dealers I've talked to. No doubt the large majority of folks who buy a Civic don't get the ABS, with cost the biggest factor...
  • bravedavebravedave Posts: 100
    ABS is only available on the EX-- this I am certain of. It may be available on the Si, but I could be mistaken on that. DX & LX trims are not available with ABS.
  • chalupnychalupny Posts: 39
    I've pretty much decided to purchase a Civic LX sedan. Was briefly considering the Mazda Protege, but I've convinced myself that the Civic is the car for me. I know that there is $250 dealer cash on the Civic right now (ends 9/3/02 I think). Earlier in the summer Honda Financing was offering 2.9% financing - that ended in July I think. Does anyone know if Honda will be offering any incentives on Civics anytime soon? I drive past the local Honda dealer every day and the number of Civic sedans on their lot has remained fairly consistant over the last few months. I would assume the 03 Civics would be arriiving at the dealerships soon. At this point I'm trying to decide to buy an 02 now or just wait for the 03's. I'm in no great hurry - will wait and see what happens - but would appreciate a heads up if anyone knows anything.
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    What do you mean he's used to ABS, is he engaging it all the time? Then get one that has it.
    ABS and good brakes are not exclusive. ABS makes brakes in a given car "better". In performance, it may be less significant in a Civic because the OEM tires are "okay".
    It is known in this board that even without ABS, you can increase the Civ's braking performance by switching tires alone.
    Yes, better tires and ABS availability? It's in the price-point formula.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    let me clarify...no, he doesn't use it all the time ...lol.. but would just feel more comfortable with ABS on the car since that's what he's always had.

    Btw, what better tires would you recommend?

    Thanks...
  • tcttct Posts: 2
    I'd greatly appreciate advice as I consider dumping my dying Saturn and buying a Civic. I'm thinking of the EX (b/c I want ABS) sedan. The idea of a brand new 2002 or 2003 is appealing on one hand, but on the other hand, I've heard a rumor that a redesign in 2001 resulted in a noiser and more physically uncomfortable ride as compared to previous models. This leads to me think my best bet may be to look for a used 2000 at a Honda dealer, perhaps a recently returned lease. Please tell me what you think.
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    Kinda loaded question. All things being equal, there's always a trade-off. Soft-compound tires may stick like glue but you may only get 20K miles from them (more grip, more wear). On the other hand, what's the point of 80K tires when they don't keep you on the road (less grip, less wear). Personally, I consider traction as everything and don't even think about wear (the essence of tires).
    Dunlops seem to be a fave around here. Michelins usually get top honors. You should go by specific tire model instead rather than brand (not all Firestones are bad, not all Dunlops are good). Check out www.tirerack.com for an owner's overview (make sure you scrutinize the stats) on the specific tire selections.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    for the tip. Will pass on to my son if he gets the Civic....
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    The suspension redesign was the gen-6 front has double-wishbone while the new gen-7 went to macpherson struts. I have the 2K while my niece has the 2K1. While it does feel my car is smoother/controlled over bumps it is not that big a diff at this car category.
    And my car is certainly no more quiet nor noisy over the gen-7. This is entry level, folks. When I upgraded my sound, peel back the floor/trunk liners and you won't find any sound deadening material whatsoever anywhere. Lexus quiet it is not.
    Which is better? That's relative.
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    the 2K1 suspension was also softer, which I believe was addressed in 2K2.
  • martylawmartylaw Posts: 51
    We leased a 2002 Civic EX with ABS for our son. I think its about a $300 price difference. A certain percentage of Civic EX's are built with it. A dealer should be able to locate one, if he doesn't have it in stock. Of course, ABS is not something that is activated on a very regular basis, but would help to maintain control in an emergency braking situation. I think its a good idea.
  • jmaterojmatero Posts: 253
    First of all, ABS is STANDARD on the Civic EX, both sedan and coupe. It is also standard on the Si. This is not an option and EX models can't be ordered 'without it'. I don't know where the $300 for ABS comes from, but it is not accurate. Sounds like they are just trying to milk you for another $300 for something that is standard to begin with. Just go to Honda.com to see what comes with each model. It's also worth noting the LX and DX Civics CANNOT be had with ABS. This is a constant criticism of the Civic line... that you have to buy the most expensive EX models to get a safety feature like ABS. I would think that there are folks that don't need a sunroof or extra HP and would like ABS but Honda doesn't. As for ABS not always being active, that is also not true. ABS is ALWAYS active. If any of your 4 wheels starts turning at a slower speed abruptly, the system pumps the offending wheel in order to avoid lockup. This has saved my butt a NUMBER of times... particularly in wet weather and in emergency braking situations. I won't buy a car without it... which is why I'm looking at cars like the protege and elantra where you can get ABS in more than one model.
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    I agree ABS is on the lookout and always ACTIVE (when braking), but it does not always ENGAGE ("the system pumps the offending wheel").
    A matter of terms here.
  • martylawmartylaw Posts: 51
    JMatero is correct. ABS is standard on the Civic EX. It was an option when we leased our 97 Civic, but was standard on the 2002 EX. I was confusing it with side airbags, which are an option, for about $300. Sorry about that.

    ABS is, of course, always on, but only becomes active when the sensors detect slippage, etc. Since all of our cars have ABS now, I would not want to get one without it, because you should use a different braking technique, depending on whether or not you have it.
  • I'm looking to buy a new Civic EX and was wondering if it would be better to get a 2002 now for a cheaper price or a 2003 in a few weeks for slightly more.

    How much of a price difference am I looking at between the two model years and will it be worth the relatively small number of improvements in the 2003? Any input will be appreciated.
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