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Honda Civic 2005 and earlier

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  • Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the CD player now standard on the 2001 LX Civics?
  • inkyinky Posts: 370
    NO, a cassette is standard. EX has standard CD.
    INKY
  • f6bikerf6biker Posts: 33
    I priced a CD player today at $400, too rich for me. I think that I will put a changer in the trunk for about half of that price.

    I installed the Keyless Remote in about an hour tonight. Really easy job, I bet that a Honda tech does it in fifteen minutes. I paid $160 on a retail of about $200.

    I also bought splash guards but I ran out of sunlight so I will put them on tomorrow. The install on those looks really easy too. I paid $78 on a retail of $100.

    The accessories from Honda seemed a little expensive but the quality, fit and easy install has made me forget about the price. Also have to say that I love the engineering on this car. It is my first Honda car but I have owned several of their motorcycles and would ride nothing else. Over all with 422 miles on it, I am pretty happy.
  • cartagramcartagram Posts: 115
    On my '01 Civic LX, I installed splash guards, too. Quite easy, although my dealer's instructions (from last year's model) suggested that there'd be more screws for the front pair, rather than using the screws that hold the fender wall in place.

    How did you install the keyless remote?

    What I'm waiting for is a center console kit for manual transmission Civics. I really miss having a armrest/console, instead of the open bins between the front seats.
  • f6bikerf6biker Posts: 33
    The installation was very easy. Remove 3 snap off panels (no tools) lower the fuse box (remove 1 10mm bolt). Unplug a 10 pin connector from fuse box and insert the 10 pin connector from provided wiring harness into it's spot. Insert origanal 10 pin connector into the harness, connect a ground wire (provided) and connect a small module to the harness. Finish up with 2 wire ties. That is about it.

    I installed the splash guards this morning. They were very easy too. I was lucky in that they gave me the correct instructions. Took about 30 minutes for all four.

    I also ordered some wheels from Sears on my way home from the dentist (a filling instead of a crown saved me $500 - so I spent it) Z Racing #22 wheels. Cost $200 plus mounting and balancing. They are a simple 5 spoke painted wheel and I think that they will look good. I also hope that they are easier to clean.

    Also my first tank of gas was 31.25 mpg. I here that this will improve to normal after about 3 tanks of fuel.
  • rra123rra123 Posts: 2
    Hi,
    I am close to buying a Civic DX -
    Can anyone post a comparison of Echo and Civic

    I am specifically comparing 4-dr Automatic Tx Echo
    with DX Civic 4-dr Automatic Tx

    Things that are important to me are :
    1. Reliability
    2. Safety
    3. Fuel-economy
    4. Cost
    5. Re-sale value
    I do not care at all about Looks, fun-to-drive,
    or Frills such as Power-door,power-locks or
    cruise-control or even A/C
    Also, if Civic is so reliable car, how come there are 71 complaints against 2000 Civic listed at NHTSA website (v/s 6 against Echo)

    Thanks
  • do you think 71 complaints is a lot? considering there must be many more civics sold then echos, it stands to reason there will be more complaints.
    the complaints are about 12 to 1 for the civic. if the sales are less than 12 to 1 in favor of the civic........ then echo has less complaints. if civic sales are over 12 to 1..... then echo has more complaints.
  • milindcmilindc Posts: 123
    go with base civic...resale is rediculous.

    Toyota has admitted their mistake with Echo. Why u want to approve it by self-experience ?

    It shakes on highway, is unpopular, costs too much for contents.

    Getting a used Civic would be better than getting an Echo. Civic would give you 80% of money back after 3-years !!

    Safety; Here also Civic bigger/heavier car is better than Echo.

    72 complaints is NOTHING if u look at the 3,50K sold !!
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    "Toyota has admitted their mistake with Echo. Why u want to approve it by self-experience ?"

    Excuse me. The Echo is an unqualified success for Toyota. It has won both European Car of the Year award and Japan Car of the Year award. It's the best seller there. Why would Toyota admitt it's a mistake when it's clearly a home run for them? BusinessWeek magazine had an article about Toyota not too long ago, and Echo was named as a big success for Toyota.

    I think Echo is designed for city/commuting purpose. It's best suited for high density city use, (that's why it's such a big hit in crowded Europe and Japan). It combining excellent fuel economy, acceleration that out paces the Civic, and a tall/short profile that make parking easy yet does not sacrifice interior space.

    Draw back of the Echo: questionable styling, may have problem with crosswinds at highway speed, no power window available.

    Unlike Europe and Japan where Echo easily outsells the Civic, Echo has a more limited appeal in the big car savvy U.S. That's why Toyota only ships 50,000 to the U.S a year, and it's ahead of it's sales schedule so far. But if you keep the car simple, and use it mainly for urban commute, it's a very reasonable choice.

    It's definitly not for everyone.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    The Civic is a very reliable car. Honda and Toyota are known for making bullet proof cars.

    In the U.S, Civic sales out number Echo's 7:1. The ratio of complaint (12:1) isn't too far off. I would say Civic and Echo are about as reliable as each other.

    Echo is built in Japan, and Civic is built in the U.S. I have heard several people mention a theory that (this apply to both Honda and Toyota), that cars built in Japan are slightly more reliable than ones built in U.S. I take it with a grain of salt since there isn't any concrete data to back up such claim (being a scientist, I frawn upon unsupported claims). Like I said, the complaint ratio between these 2 cars are not that far off from their sales figure ratio, and we are working with 2 small numbers here, so margin of error is relatively high.

    Look at it this way. There are 72 complaint for every 350,000 Civic, and 6 complaints for every 50,000 Echos. We are talking about 0.021% and 0.012% here, relax. :)
  • milindcmilindc Posts: 123
    Echo being joke was about the US-market.
    Why would anybody get an Echo when there are many used cars available in US-Market. USA-USed car market is like anything. Very good choices there.
    My friend got 96 Galant with 34K mileage for $7400 !! has power everything, cruise etc.....
    (almost everything except roof).

    Why would u like to get an Echo for 10-11K when u get a much better used car with much better safety ratings ??

    Note: Note Galant is used as an example, don't want to compare it with Echo.

    Also In USA even if u get a car for city driving, U HAVE TO use freeway many times, maybe for 3-5 minutes. Echo is not atall good for such commutes.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    will live on, and strong. Just like the Beetle and PT Cruiser, there are folks out there that adore the car because of it's quirks.....

    the fact that is probably reliable and efficient and zippy only helps matters. it might not be the best highway cruiser, but at least it does not look like every other appliance out there. Camry, civic, accord, corolla, blah blah blah...
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    The Echo and the Focus started the trend.
    Very soon just about every manufacturer will have a similarly shaped economy car in its model line.
  • qtlqtl Posts: 1
    I am shopping for a 2001 Civic Ex 2dr. But It's
    hard to find one in New England area. I was told by
    the dealer possibly I couldn't get one in 3 weeks.
    And even after 3 weeks it's hard to say.

    Does any one know how I can get one?

    Thanks.
  • milindcmilindc Posts: 123
    I heared that Focus got recalled due to some screw which may screw up rear break & tyre assebly ?? & some more focuses for cruise control malfunctioning...??

    Total 350,000 focus are getting recalled... !!!
    & they were talking about having great competetor to the civic !
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    ...was a great competitor until the recalls started to mount up.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    Every focus made are being recalled.

    Ford is smart that they issued 1 recall for 3 different problem. It would really look back if they had to issue 3 seperate recalls.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    Unloading a bunch of them at once.
    Smart strategy.
  • smoresmore Posts: 25
    The old cliches are true. Hondas are more, but their reliability record combined with their resale should speak volumes. I travel and frequently rent "inexpensive" cars and they are JUNK. If you really look at the WHOLE picture, I think a Honda's an excellent value.
  • f6bikerf6biker Posts: 33
    Castrol emailed me back yesterday about 5w-20 oil. They said that Castrol GTX 5w-20 is the factory fill oil for 2001 Hondas and will be available in quart containers on 12/18/2000.

    In case anyone else does their own.
  • svenjsvenj Posts: 19
    First time Honda owner and have to say that I am becoming more impressed each day with the car. I can easily see keeping it 10 years or more as long as I take decent care of it.

    I was surprised that I actually found not one, but two dealers that were actually pleasant to work with after hearing many horror tales of how awful Honda dealerships were to buy from.

    Aside from simply getting used to a new car which makes a few things seem odd to me at the moment, I only have two minor negative comments.

    Why couldn't they offer the the LX trim in blue?
    Why are the radio control buttons so small?

    Styling? Yeah, it could be flashier, but I'll take substance over style anyday. The rear does remind me of a Passat. I have read some amusing posts of people complaining about the power. isellhondas is right, you can't please everyone.

    The car is perfect for me, though I still wish I could have had one in blue.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    Honda always seems to offer nice colors for the last year or so of the model line. They always start with the non-classy colors....in the past anyway... Blue will be along in the next year or so
  • milindcmilindc Posts: 123
    I can't think of any other color than dark red/cherry red like Accord SE. But honda doesn't give it on Sedans (coupes only)

    I would get really annoyed if I couldn't get Covoc in Red. Even used 4 dorr civics look VERY good in red.. Ofcourse they can't give every color with their models....
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    That is one nasty looking color. We tested a 2000 Civic in Vintage Plum. Looked OK in bright sun light. In the shade, holy smokes! Ugly brown, are they still running that repulsive color out there on the 2001 Civic's sedans?
  • milindcmilindc Posts: 123
    My friend got that one.....!!
    He didnot want any common color like silver / white/black/dark green. Blue/Red wasn't available, so he got the plum. I developed liking for it after one week....
  • My theory is that Honda want's to keep things subtle. Then once people are firmly purchasing the vehicle simply because, well, you know, everyone else is buying it, they add colors that make it stand out. People are then more likely to over look it's pudding like handling, and hard boiled egg looks. Just MO.

    Regards,
    Mark.
  • rleongrleong Posts: 41
    We picked up our new Civic 4 dr LX automatic this weekend. We got it for $14,990. On the way back home, I noticed a rattling/ buzzing sound from the rear seat(?). On smooth surfaces the car is fine. I was driving the car by myself and I'm not sure exactly where the noise is. Has anyone experienced this problem?
  • svenjsvenj Posts: 19
    I have the same car, but haven't had any noises like that. The car is a lot quieter than I was expecting going from a larger car to a smaller one.

    After one week, I am still getting used to it, but can't come up with any negative comments about the car. Myself on the other hand have turned into my grandfather when driving and parking as I am overly aware that I am driving a brand new car for the first time in over ten years.
  • gduffygduffy Posts: 5
    I'm looking to sell a '97 Civic & I was
    wondering if anyone could point me to any
    websites where I could place a free ad online
    to sell my Civic?

    Thanks!
  • rleongrleong Posts: 41
    I have a 2001 Civic. I'm looking for a plastic air deflector for the leading edge of my hood. I want a factory air deflector, but Honda doesn't make one. I'm wondering if anyone have a suggestion about a good after market brand.

    I read the previous post about the remote keyless entry & splash guard and I decided to install them on my car, too.
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