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Unintended Acceleration - Find the Cause

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,413

    It's plausible but it's not science. It's also plausible that they changed it for other reasons. It's also plausible that they changed it as a precaution, and that no tin whiskers ever caused a UA incident, then or now.

    Until someone finds me a car that does consistent UA, and then delicately puts that throttle system into a "normal" car, and THAT second car goes UA, I'm not buying this one bit.

    Basically we are being asked to believe in ghosts.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,004

    Kind of like the "ghost" of gravity? "Science is not about proving things. It never has been, and it never will be. Instead, science is about observing the Universe around us and using those observations to try to understand how the Universe works." (newsvine.com)

    How about a 2005 Toyota Camry for your car?

    Electrical Failure of an Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor Caused by a Tin Whisker (NASA - pdf file)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509

    Is it just coincidence that these whiskers seem to be plaguing cars that attract many who are not really with it when it comes to driving?

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,413

    I can measure gravity, i can see it bend light, I can mathematically calculate it.

    Are you seriously asking me to believe a scenario where whiskers cause a car to UA, cause the brakes to fail, defeat the ignition shut off, and then...and THEN...restore the car's original functions AND disappear itself?

    You are a man of great faith, Steve, which is admirable.

    I am an entirely agnostic, materialistic, cold-hearted skeptic.

    Why does tin whiskers sound a lot like Bigfoot?

    Or as fintail surmises, maybe a Big Foot is at the root of it all.

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  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: I can measure gravity, i can see it bend light, I can mathematically calculate it.

    Are you seriously asking me to believe a scenario where whiskers cause a car to UA, cause the brakes to fail, defeat the ignition shut off, and then...and THEN...restore the car's original functions AND disappear itself?

    You are a man of great faith, Steve, which is admirable.

    I am an entirely agnostic, materialistic, cold-hearted skeptic.

    Why does tin whiskers sound a lot like Bigfoot?

    Or as fintail surmises, maybe a Big Foot is at the root of it all.

    I'm gonna have to go with this analysis.

    No scientific study accepts "facts" that can't be reproduced under the same conditions.

  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490

    @Stever@Edmunds said: It's all in my link - ...

    "Toyota redesigned its pedal sensor in 2007 and again in 2008, expressly to eliminate the risk of tin whiskers."

    Sounds good, but can we accept that any modifications done to production vehicles are direct results of relieving potential problems?

    I don't think so. TV sets ran for years just fine on vacuum tubes. They were replaced by more modern, less expensive and more reliable semi-conductors, which also significantly reduced the cost/price of TV sets.

    That switch in no way implied vacuum tube TVs as being defective defective...At least, IMO.

  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,004

    Remember how you'd "fix" your TV by banging on the side of it?

    Since tin whiskers are so fragile, banging on the dash may be the real fix. :p

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,413

    Tin whiskers is not a new discovery. The problem has been around for quite a while. Used to be, they'd add lead in the process which greatly reduces tin whisker formation. But alas, lead has been virtually banned from most manufacturing processes.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,004

    Yeah, unintended consequences? May be worth putting some back in if they can't figure out how else to manage the problem.

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  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
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    @Stever said: Remember how you'd "fix" your TV by banging on the side of it?

    We called that "fine tuning"... LOL.

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