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Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier

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  • I expect my local dealer in Tennessee to laugh at my offer tomorrow based on the collective wisdom I garnered from reading each of the 632 posts in Passat-Part VII. But I'll still make it all the same and we'll see. I'd be willing to drive a state or two away to purchase a GLX with 4M and Tiptronic for the kind of reasonable over invoice prices mentioned in many of the posts.

    I bought (and likely overpaid) for an A6 4.2 several months ago at this local dealer but fully expect him to turn his nose up at the cash deal I'll offer tomorrow. Based on what I've read, $1000 over invoice should be plenty to get this deal done but he's asking for more than $3000 over invoice. $30000 plus tax should be more than enough to get this car, no??

    I know how to walk away - but where to? Anybody know a dealer a little hungrier within a few hundred miles of east TN??

    BTW, I love the Passat. Drives like the worthy younger sister to our A6. I feel great about the value but would be happier with a longer warranty.

    Thanks!

    Jim
  • srayersrayer Posts: 11
    I had recently posted a link to the 2001.5
    Passat Website a few weeks ago. At that
    time it was only available in German. It
    appears VW has released the site in English
    as well. Enjoy:

    http://www.passat.com
  • This is my first post on anything. I am about to purchase a '98 Passat wagon, 4 cyl.,21K miles, $16,500 from a private owner. My one concern, after driving, is that the clutch engagement is very high relative to other standard shift vehicles that I drive. I am aware that it is a hydraulicly actuated clutch, and therefore not adjustable. My concern is making a determination as to whether this is normal or clutch is worn. I would appreciate any and all input relative to the clutch and the price. Thanks for any useful comments.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    hmmm.. I've had mine for over a year so it's hard to say anything for sure. I recall needing some time to adjust to the clutch when I first got it, but a lot of that was getting used to revving the Turbo engine a bit higher then I was used to to get a smooth get-a-way.

    I would say that it sounds pretty normal, but have your mechanic check it just to be sure.
  • ajeetajeet Posts: 11
    Hi,

    I have narrowed down my car choice to 2001 VW Passat GLS V4 4-Dr Sedan with Tiptronic Auto Transmission and 4MOTION - Blue Anthracite/Black Velour. I do NOT want any other packages on the car. I am sticking to my price of $25,063 + $525 dest charge. Anyone recently bought this car around my estimated cost ? Please let me know !

    Also, I am having LOT of difficulty in locating such a car. Most of the Passats come loaded with some package or the other !! A VW dealer told me that the current 2001 Passat's body-style is no longer in production and hence they cannot factory-order it for me!! A second body style is being added to the VW production line-up.

    Is this true ? Are there any InterNet links that I might look up to find more on this ?

    Thanks in advance !
    Ajeet.
  • V.W. is giving the Passat a facelift for 2001. Check out the article at http://www.vwvortex.com/
    This may explain your difficulty in locating the vehicle you want. I had to settle for purchasing a '99 Passat I found via a broker. Paid 21,500 for a 1.8T w/tip, luxury pkg., leather and 4K miles.

    Good Luck!
  • gbobaygbobay Posts: 1
    I've been trying to find out if Passat is pre-wired for the CD Changer and have gotten conflicting views. I've searched in the trunk and without dismantling anything I can't find the cable. However I've gone to sights such as autotoys.com which indicates the car should be pre-wired. I've also called my service station which says it is not and the cable is $140.00.

    Any clues?????

    Thanks,

    Gregg
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    cool site, where can i get my v6 tdi 4 motion with 6 speed,. lol
  • I bought a 2001 GLS about a month ago and have noticed several rattles/buzzes in the cabin area. I am guessing they might be a typical VW thing other owners have experienced.

    One of them is in the front right dash area....I think it is the gloovebox door, but I'm not sure. Any ideas?

    The other rattle is somewhere in the rear of the cabin. I have no idea what is shaking over bumps. I have poked around and don't see anything that looks like it could make the noise. Are there many components for the sunroof up in the headliner that are likely to shake? Any suggestions?

    What is the best way to get these identified and fixed by a dealer? Do dealers create more problems by ripping stuff up to look for loose stuff? Are rattles covered under warranty since it is not a mechanical defect, but just an annoyance?

    Thanks
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    I solved a persistant and annoying center "dash" rattle by removing about three dollars worth of pennies form my ash tray. :-)

    At 31k miles, my Passat is still rattle free. I do get the odd groan on very cold mornings though.
  • CooperCooper Posts: 55
    I, too, get the odd groan on very cold mornings with my '97 Passat. My car stays outside, and I get that sound from the passanger-side interior of the car on the days that I carpool to work with my wife.

    Aside from that, 107,000 trouble-free miles on my car, and 62,000 trouble-free miles on my wife's Passat.
  • I'm looking at buying a new Passat GLX 4 motion and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me the best deal posted for this car? Looks like the dealr makes way too much cash on this car and I've heard that most VW dealers are stingy!!!
    MSRP for the car I'm looking at is 30,900. Any help is greatly appreciated.
    TS
  • zup1zup1 Posts: 4
    I just went and test drove a 2001 GLX last night and the salesman made it a point to show me that the car was pre wired for a CD changer in the trunk. On the car he showed me it was behind a black flap on the left hand side of the trunk. The wires where right there along with a place to put the changer. Hope this helps.

    Zup
  • zup1zup1 Posts: 4
    The best I have been able to do to date is 700 over invoice plus a 200 dealer fee. I managed to get this over the phone so i figure once I am there I will get 700 over invoice plus 50 for the dealer fee, this is my ideal price, it works out to just under 3% over invoice on a 2001 GLX with auto. Anyone car to comment on this deal, it sound OK to me, I prefer to pay no more than 500 over invoice, but thes car still seem to be selling very well and I love it.

    ZUP
  • I noticed that this year, the Audi A4 has upped the output of their 1.8T from 150hp to 170hp, while the Passat remains at 150hp. Does anyone know how Audi accomplished this? Would it be possible to take a Passat 1.8T and easily upgrade it to make 170hp in the same fashion? Do you think Audi is sacrificing some reliability by upping the turbonium content? ;)

    Thanks, -Chris
  • busanbusan Posts: 12
    2000 models. I was able to pick one up at $890 UNDER invoice price. It was a 2000 V6 GLS with 4Motion and Tiptronic. Everything else standard.

    It's an option and it's one I jumped all over.

    Best of luck to you
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Check out www.vwvortex.com and www.clubb5.com for more info then you would ever want to read on "chipping" the turbo Passat for more HP.
  • Just got my Silver / Grey 2001 GLX 4M for about $150 over invoice. There IS a 2% holdback for these cars as explained elsewhere in this site. Dealer made a little bit of money and I got a great car at a great price. Knowing about the holdback helps you counter the whining that the dealer isn't making any money. Being in a locality where there is competition between dealers really helps.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,673
    am only more confused. The Passat-Plus. When does it come out, what engine/HP will it have, is the HP from a base engine or is it turbo'ed, where did you read about it, any photos, etc.

    How will it compare in performance and cost to one of the A6 models (2.7T or 4.2)?

    Is 4-motion in VW-speak the same as Quattro in Audi-speak?
  • Not sure about the Passat Plus, but Audi Quattro equals VW 4Motion. Same technology, same shift lever, etc.
  • To audiandpassat....where did u get that $150 over invoice deal? Did the dealer have alot of cars in stock? Did u trade anything and what was the 'dealer service' fee?

    Thanks....good luck with ur new Passat, I'm going out this weekend to find a deal on a silver/black/GLX if I can find one in South Florida before the supply dries up, I can't wait for March, I need to get a replacement car now.

    BTW to the question about the 2001.5 version....VW factory guy (I believe a good source) said new cars will be shown at Detroit in January, a few cars will be delivered to dealers in Feb and more in March. Factory has just about ended production of current version and is tooling up for new one. He expects a month or two of NO Passats except those sitting on dealer floors. I was in Louisville recently where there were more Passats than you knew what to do with them. A rare silver/gray was at a dealer in Indiana just over the river ready for someone to take home.

    Phil
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    First of all...*busan*, you know perfectly well that
    you bought a *mutant* and that there was $1000
    Dealer Incentive program that made your *deal*
    possible. Please do not insinuate that what you
    got; everyone will get...that is not fair to the
    Town Hall member.

    audiandpassat...I hope that there is another VW
    Dealer in your area that can service your New
    Silver Passat GLX 4MO, because this guy is probably
    going to be out of business before you read this post. I would not sell this car to my mistress
    for that money; that is not to say that I have one
    but you get the idea... A Silver/Grey, 4MO, GLX
    for $150 over? Good for you... As to your *holdback* ploy... This sophisticated site, basically states...*don't even go there*, but you
    showed someone that you knew better...every dealer
    will negotiate *holdback*...You, SIR, are a master
    negotiator, and I beg you to tell us all how you did it...what skills did you employ that we are
    unaware of?, what power do you posess that turns
    normally sane people into fools & pushovers?
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    You certainly are confused...Passat Plus has a W8,
    280bhp engine, with 4MO standard and will cost less than it's Audi counterpart...that is the
    point...these cars stair step...see a post from
    Passat Part VII
  • snurplesnurple Posts: 130
    VWGUILD, you are a dealer. I suspect that this influences the wonderful "advice" that you sprinkle throughout this forum--a forum specifically designed (at least in part) to educate average consumers about all of the crafty tactics of dealers.

    Holdback does matter because holdback is part of your (oftentimes substantial) profit margin--and therefore fair game in any negotiation.

    You know better than anyone that values for "new 2000s" (that are already ONE YEAR OLD) and the new 2001s are starting to fall because of the redesigned Passat 2001.5s that will be coming at some point next year. Cars have a limited lifecycle--especially when automakers keep on redesigning new models to entice new buyers. Autos have a limited shelf life.

    Sorry to sound so snippy, but I hope that people realize that dealers, in some cases, frequent these sites to learn how to design increasingly sophisticated scams...
  • I have been looking for a new car and have researched most models. I have had toyotas for years ad have been happy but I find myself wanting a passat V6. Looking at the postings here I am completely scared about what I read. The dealers sound terrible and the car sounds very troublesome. If you go to the Honda postings you see that people are concerned with minor stuff like should they get a 2000 or 2001, does the spoiler look cool, or stuff like what to do about the water that drips in the window while they smoke. On this VW site there is alot of stuff that sounds BAD, like I don't have the time for. The car completely impresses me on the test drive but what about after the honeymoon? Will I be posting my horror story? Do the people with good experiences just not post on this site or are there non out there? Any insightwould help.
  • VWGUILD:

    If I had wandered onto your lot during my shopping, my special discernment powers would have told me to get off your lot quickly. I wouldn't have trusted you to work with me. I've read dozens of your posts and though you many times provide great factual information, you, sir, are a dealer's dealer, a salesman's salesman. I'm not surprised you wouldn't sell a car at a great price to your mistress or anyone else. Why is it that you are spending so much of your time guarding the Passat shopping flock anyway?? Business slow? Or does VW pay you for your time to make sure buyers don't get too many ideas about how to negotiate in their best interests? A wolf in sheep’s clothing. You and many of your comments don’t really fit what I understand to be the purpose of this forum. Your intentions are easy to me to read . . . but then again I have supernatural powers as you have rightly deduced.

    I got a good deal because I was persistent, did my homework and used some basic negotiating strategies to my advantage - like walking away from a deal I was not yet satisfied with. I've got too much appreciation and respect for the dealer who made this deal for me to tell everyone where the deal was given. Perhaps he *would* go out of business if he sold every car for this amount. I simply made the best deal I could for me - and he did make the $150 plus 2% for a few hours of working with me. He did not seem to be drugged or under unusual coercion. He didn’t *have* to sell me the car for that price, so I have to assume, sir, that he made out just fine and is not endangering his business.

    I took the time to post the information about the holdback and my deal to encourage others to not fall for dealer rhetoric and whining (like they likely hear on your lot) that they "can't" make a deal.

    Josephf1:

    Not sure how many posts you’ve read to come to your conclusion. There are a lot of really satisfied Passat owners who haven’t had problem one with their cars. For example, look back at Passat - Part VII. Now that I have my car, I can’t imagine why I would come back to this forum again if I have good experience with my car. It is much more likely that the few who have problems come to this site to complain. I’m glad they let us know of their troubles as it helps us know what to look for, but it cannot be said that their experience is representative of the entire population of Passat owners.

    My wife was Toyota’s most loyal customer until she test-drove the Camry, Avalon and Passat back to back to back. It wasn’t even close. The Passat drive is a much more satisfying experience and it seems like a much better value. Can’t tell you yet that we will have years of trouble-free driving like we’ve had with our Toyotas, but we both love the Passat and were willing to take the risk.

    Don’t let VWGUILD’s attitude scare you off of the car. I think there are some nice folks at dealerships. They just want you to pay as much for the car as you will let them get away with. That’s their business. Good luck.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    usually have had great SALES exp - poor service dept experience. I did not care too much about the service side though, as I only ever needed it for oil changes. I have heard from real drivers (friends) only good things about the Passat. None of them have the V6 anymore, but two friends still have the turbo. Love the cars - NEVER a problem. I had a 99 Jetta VR6 - no probs either. I also owned a 97 Civic and 96 Integra.....nothing but BIG problems the entire time.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    32k+ trouble-free miles on my '99 GLS Turbo (manual)!
  • zup1zup1 Posts: 4
    Vettesetter,

    I just bought my Passat yesterday. I opted to buy it in Central Florida, because the dealers in Miami are very Greedy. A firend who works in a car dealer called some friends for me and told me what a fair offe for the car was. He recomened 500 over invoice. the dealers in Miami laughed at me. In fact the sales manager at Esserman VW called me rediculous. I also has my secritary call the dealership before i got there and ask if they had the car on the lot, they said yes. When I got there the car was no where to be found, and in fact they said it would take a week to get. The best price I got in Miami was 3% over invoice plus a 200 dollar dealer fee.
    It is going to cost me 35 dollars for a train ticket and 10 dollars for a cab in order to pick up the car. The money I saved is going to make this trip more than worth it, and the dealers were much nicer and more acomidating than the Miami dealer.

    Zup
  • jed1894jed1894 Posts: 337
    You will enjoy the ride back to Miami. It's not such a bad idea to buy a car like you're buying. The drive back to Miami will be very pleasant and you'll enjoy finding out about the car. If possible, make the drive at night. The 2001 Passat's have an awesome interior light scene. The color is hypnotizing (spelling ?) as well.

    Also, when I lived in Miami, I think there was a VW dealer in Ft. Laud. somewhere. I think the name was Gunther VW/Mazda. I bought several Mazdas from them and always had good luck. I'm almost positive they sold VWs but I'm not sure. You might want to try them for servicing, etc.

    Enjoy.....

    JOhn
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