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Nissan Maxima



  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    Considering the base GLE invoice price is just under $25K, I'd say you are doing REALLY well to get it for $1,200 UNDER invoice. I got the same car 2 months ago (mats/mud guards only) for $25.8K!
  • 5 year reliability study , not C&D.

    Just to clarify.

    Anybody care to compare the quality of I35 and Maxima based on real-life experience?
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,058
    Bought a brand new--not a program car or demo, 2002 GLE today (Metro west Boston) for $25,611 with the following options:
    Floor mats
    Front side airbags
    Front and rear painted splash guards
    Power sliding glass sunroof
    Sunroof wind deflector
    Traction control system
    Rear spoiler. This a special add on (thrown in for FREE)since the GLE is not configured with a spoiler.
    And two free gift certificates to a fine Boston restaurant to boot.

    I think paying cash probably had something to do with it or today was my lucky day.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    ..I'm not sure you will find any one person who has owned both, but I have a 1995 Maxima SE and a good friend who has a 1996 Infiniti I30. We have both kept detailed records of our cars. My Maxima has 118k miles and has required virtually no repairs of significance. I don't count resetting an airbag warning light for $75 (had to do full diagnostic test to make sure something wasn't really wrong) as significant. The car has averaged 24.01 mpg since new. The car still looks great, especially the paint finish. Much better than the average Accord or Camry of similar vintage.

    As for my friend's Infiniti, he has 83k miles and has had similar positive experiences. He has averaged 22 mpg +/- with an automatic and a bit more city driving than me. He got the Infiniti mainly because his wife doesn't drive a stick and, at the time, he thought it looked a bit better than the Maxima GLE. Just yesterday, however, he comented that he thought the looks of my '95 Maxima (shadowline trim, less chrome) has aged better than his '96 Infiniti.

    I suspect that as a brand, Infiniti has an advanctage over Nissan relative to quaility. All Infiniti models, I believe, are still made in Japan. Comparing the Maxima and the I30/I35 however, is nearly a tie, IMO. They are both still made in Japan, use the same engine, and seem to have similar good reliability ratings. A concern I would have in the Washington DC area, however, is the quality of dealer service. My friend only has two dealers that are reasonably convenient to him and neither are as responsive, or as reasonably priced for routine service, as my Nissan dealer (VOB). So much for the Infiniti "marque". The extra year of warranty proved meaningless, since neither of our cars has ever needed a $100+ repair that would have been covered under any warranty. However, I estimate that he pays roughly 20% more for the routine service every 15k miles than I do. For essentially the same car. Prices in your area may vary.
  • habitat, how much do you pay for 15k mile service? We just paid $200 for the 15k stuff, which seemed like a lot to me. This included the oil change and all the standard stuff listed as necessary at that point. Normally the oil changes are around $25 or so, I think. We're in NoVa and take it to Mike Pallone in Springfield.
  • sgrd0qsgrd0q Posts: 398
    BMW uses I6 and V8 engines which have more torque at lower RPM than V6 engines, generally speaking. The whole HP or Torque curve is important, not the peak at the end of the curve. This is particularly true for 0-60 times, when you have to go through low RPMs.

    That would largely explain the exceptional performance of the previous generation M3 (240HP and 0-60 in 5.7 secs.) and the 540i, relative to their maximum HP.

    Oh, and don't forget the manual transmission. BMWs have very fast transmissions. You need to shift once to get to 60, and if that is slow it will kill your time.
  • In reference to the apparent lack of acceleration improvement in the new 2002 Maxima, I offer the following: Check the C&D test of the new Infiniti G35 (same engine). I think the 0-60 was in the low 7's (7.1?). If this is the case the new 5-speed Maxima should be doing 0-60 in the low 6's. Guess we'll have to wait and see when they finally test one. Anyway, I'm going to test a new one this afternoon and compare it to my 5-speed 2000 SE. I'll follow up here with a seat-of-the-pants comparison.
  • aftyafty Posts: 499
    BMW also makes exceptionally efficient drivetrains. They lose less power from crank to wheels than most other cars.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    There are a ton of factors that go into acceleration figures. Some are tied to the driver (e.g., their skill and how they aggressively "launch" the car). Some are tied to the tires. Some are tied to the track (e.g., altitude and surface). The day the car is tested: temperature & wind. Others are tied to the car. Weight. Drag. Individual gear ratios and final drive ratio play a big part. So can internal efficiencies (or drivetrain losses). And the engine's output at specific RPMs, not to mention how the gearing impacts what RPM you'll be at at a given moment in time. Some factors are more important than others. But they all end up impacting the final figure for a given run (or series of runs) on a given day.
  • Guys,

    as it was noted earlier, AutoWeek got stick-shift 2002 Altima with 3.5 V6 to finish 0 - 60 in 5.9 sec.

    So it's pretty good comparing with 5.7 for E36 M3
  • sgrd0qsgrd0q Posts: 398
    FWD cars have a disadvantage, because the weight shifts away from the driving wheels during hard acceleration, and traction becomes more of a problem.

    Despite what has been said so far, the 2002 6-speed Maxima should get sub-six second 0-60 times.
  • Thank you for your info.
  • I have driven both the 2002 Altima 5 speed and the 2002 Maxima 6 speed. Hands down the Altima seems MUCH faster over a broad range. I am so torn liking the interior of the Maxima better. But I feel the improvements in the Platform of the Altima make it a better driving car. Then add into that build quality of Japanese VS U.S. A. I also heard that the Maxima for 2003 will get a V8.
    ( Salesman coming back from a Nissans Meeting)
    Also spoke with a Tech at the local dealer and posed the question would you BUY a Maxima or Altima. He said Altima is a better handling car but he to feels the interior and drivers position in the Maxima is superior. So His answer .. Wait till 2003.. when you will have a Maxima sharing a better driving platform of the Altima along with a upgraded interior of the Maxima. He said hopefully they wont blow the drivers position when the Maxima becomes bigger due to sharing the Altima Platform.
    Decisions. .Descisions..
  • All this talk yak yak yak!. I just bought a 2002 GLE. I was on the shoulder of a main road waiting to get on road. When I saw an openeing I started to accelerate, then some moron right behind me on other side of street shoots out of a driveway crosses over double yellow and is heading toward me. Hmmmmm hard brake or floor it... I FLOORED it! I am used to driving an 85 olds so I wasn't ready for what happened. The car took off like a damned rocket, the tires spun, not only did I leave rubber, it looked like a smoke show! I really dont care about the .5 second differances you all get into. When I need it this car LAUNCHES!
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    Sounds like you've broken your new Max in well! I've been thinking the same thing - this car moves. All this talk about 0-60 speed counts only on a drag strip or racetrack....quibbling over fractions of a second in a "family" car is
  • sgrd0qsgrd0q Posts: 398
    Well, I guess it is interesting to know what the new Maxima is capable of. I for one would like to know. Purely out of curiosity.

    I agree with you though. The car for what it is is fast enough. Why would one need a large 4-door sedan to accelerate faster. I have a 2001 GLE (with the 3.0L engine) and that is fast enough for me. 0.5 seconds in a 0-60 test for this car do not matter.

    But can you feel a 0.5 second difference? You bet. I've owned/driven a number of cars, including my '97 M3, and anybody can feel the difference. And a one second difference feels like the difference between hardly moving, and shooting ahead in a rocket.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    godeacs... Have you seen the TV and print ads for Nissan and Infiniti products lately? Nissan and Infinit are NOT pushing Altima, Maxima, or I-35 as sedate "family" cars. Nissan is aggressively advertising these cars as all around performance sedans. In that market, acceleration does matter and half a second can seem like an eternity!

    Guess that is why Nissan is pushing Altima 3.5SE with 5-speed manual and Maxima SE with 6-speed manual (not to mention the hot Sentra SE)?

    I love the I-35 print ad which shows the woman in a formal-type evening gown holding her racing helmut as she looks at her silver I-35.
  • Thanks for the input and sorry for the delay in replying. The dealer asked about the key/chip issue, but eventually couldn't find anything wrong that would explain why it didn't start. Sounds like it's the same quirk others had mentioned.
  • roar1roar1 Posts: 193
    I'm a longtime "lurker" and rarely do I post, however, all of this jibberish about USA vs. Japan
    Quality issues, compels me to comment.The Altima is made in Smyrna, Tenn. at a manufacturing plant that has been rated one of the best in the world. The Altima has an
    absolutely "bulletproof" reliability record. Also, two of the most highly acclaimed vehicles
    ( Camry/Accord) are built in the USA., with equally impressive reliability records.

    What really matters is how a company has demonstrated its Design, Engineering, and
    Manufacturing expertise, and Nissan, Toyota, and Honda have done this in this country.
    No, I'm not going to buy a Hyundai made in Korea, or a Jetta from Mexico, but I definitly
    would buy a Maxima made in Smyrna, Tenn. Actually, I currently own a' 94 Altima and a 2kMax and quite frankly, I think the quality of Nissan's Japanese built cars is down a tad from the past.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    When I shopped for my 1995 Nissan Maxima, Honda and Toyota were still coming off some pretty bad press relative to quality control on the U.S. built Accord and Camry. That was a factor I considered, although I can't say it was a deciding factor. Nor do I think it's fair to assume Nissan might have similar problems in Smyrna. But the fact still remains that none of the higher end Japanese manufacturers have entrusted their US plants to build their flagship brands or models.

    I would really like to see a detailed and objective study of US vs. Japanese plants, quality control systems and analysis of the fit and finish of the cars that come out of each. Perhaps it is only an "image" problem and the US-built cars are now every bit the quality of their Japanese counterparts.

    Do you have a source for the rating of the Smyrna plant as "one of the best in the world" and does the source rate other plants as well? When I recently bought a Honda S2000, I heard repeated claims that the Tochigi, Japan plant where it is produced is considered to be "the best in the world" in terms of tecnology and quality control, but I never saw a source.

    Thanks in advance if you can provide anything further.
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