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Nissan Maxima



  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    The lack of rebates is not necessarioy a bad thing. For example: GM is ofering $ 3500 plus $ 500 cash back on their full size pickups. When I priced one such truck at the local dealership, they were willing to discount the truck only $ 1800 (There is a $ 4200 markup over invoice on this truck). So some dealers will use hefty rebates as a bait to make more money on the vehicle for themselves. I do not mind paying $ 500 over invoice, but I certainly will not let them make $ 2400 (plus holdback) on this vehicle.
  • roar1roar1 Posts: 193
    Are you saying in post # 8196 that you did not test drive a TL before you bought it ??
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    No, I test drove a TL 6-speed on four separate occassions before deciding on one. What I meant was that I didn't want to buy a vehicle off the lot that others had test driven. I was the same way with the S2000 when I bought it. I'd be less concerned about an automatic. The TL I bought had 3 miles on the odometer off the truck from Ohio, period.

    FWIW, at least two dealerships in the DC area have set aside a 6-speed for test drives. I guess they will be selling them as demos, rather than new cars. I think this is the way all dealers should go, assuming they have sufficient volume to support it. Unfortunately, I never got an opportunity to test drive a Maxima SE 6-speed. Even my local dealer (VOB) never seemed to have one in stock when called. Not that I was seriously interested, but it can't help Nissan's struggling sales to make it exceedingly difficult to try the 6-speed out.
  • roar1roar1 Posts: 193
    I know exactly what you mean. The '02 Max that I wanted could not be located in my immediate area. My dealer did a search and found an exact match at a dealer located 100 miles away. I told them I'd buy the car provided they transported the car on a rollback. Fortunately they did what I requested.

    Regarding sales, actually Nissan sales have been way up most of this year basically because they've introduced so many new models. Maxima
    sales have been in limbo. It's as if Nissan does not care about the Maxima. Why would you self impose a production limit of 80,000 units down from 120,000. I thought the whole point of manufacturing a product was to make money. They don't even advertise the car on prime time TV and I live in the 6th largest TV market area. Oh, I know.... they want to create an air of " exclusivity ". BS.

    Honda and Toyota can sell anything. They could slap 4 tires on a bathtub and they would STILL sell 100,000 / yr. Look at the Scions.
  • lichtronimolichtronimo Posts: 212
    How late can you order a 2004. I've read conflicting info on various other sites. I've got a call into my dealer right now, but if you get this first I'd appreciate what you know.
  • kennyg5kennyg5 Posts: 360
    Do you know if there are any improvements and/or differences between the 04 and 05 Max? I hope the 05 will have better interior materials, fit and finish, and less torque steer.
  • nd4spdnd4spd Posts: 23
    Wow, I cannot believe that people that don’t even own 2002-2004 Maximas talk about torque steer. Just out of curiosity, have you ever experienced it? I did, and it is not all that bad!, actually it is fun, if you know how to drive the car. In addition, why do you people always complain so much about it?, Do you actually rip it, every chance you get? I have to stomp on the pedal to get it to start spinning tires and get the torque steer monkey out.
    And believe me, that is not the way most people drive. So please put the torque steer issue to bed already, if you don’t like it, don’t buy an overpowered FWD vehicle. Get yourself a CamCord and enjoy the boring ride. Or be smart like Habitat1 and buy a TL.
    Actually, next year, the TL will have AWD, and then it really will be a great car (super Acura).
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    if you want an 04, order now...

    im not sure the changes on the interior upgrade probably wont happen, and torque-steer correction would take a MAJOR overhaul of the steering components...if these changes ever occur, it probably wont be this year.
  • lichtronimolichtronimo Posts: 212
    I put in my order today for an '04 Max SE with 6spd manual in Onyx over black cloth, sunroof, premium audio and floor/trunk mats for $27,200. I faxed over what I wanted to a dealer that had let me test drive a 6spd they had in stock a few weeks ago and then stopped in to get the sale price and sign the paper. Whole deal took 10 minutes tops.

    I'm totally pumped - the next 8-10 weeks will be killer.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    i remember you have been dealing with the idea for quite a while. good job.
  • kennyg5kennyg5 Posts: 360
    I own an 03 Max GLE and I have experienced torque steer. If you think torque steer is "fun", tell it to the Highway Safety Commission and your insurance company when you injure someone or damage their property due to torque steer. LOL!!

    For everyday driving, however, one would not usually experience torque steer. I have only experienced it twice in the past 20 months since I bought my 03 Max. Once when trying to merge full throttle into a fast moving highway with a very short acceleration lane, and the other time trying to avoid being hit by an apparently drunk driver who was barrelling the street with his SUV. To someone who is unfamiliar with torque steer, the experience could be scary. IMHO, to say torque steer is "not all that bad" and is actually fun is irresponsible. The TL, like the Max, is also a high-powered FWD car, but its torque steer (according to commmentators) is less than the Max. Thus, a lot of it has to do with clever engineering.

    I have been driving for more than 25 years, and I have never gotten any moving violation or speeding tickets. I am a safe and non-aggressive driver and I pay the lowest insurance premium. So, to me, torque steer in the Max is not a big issue because it rarely happens. I enjoy my Maximas and that is why I have three (92, 97 and 03), but I don't enjoy the torque steer (when it happens) because I don't think it is "fun".

    If you think the TL with AWD is better in handling, think again, because the added weight may decrease performance. The benefit of AWD, IMO, is to improve traction in snow. But for an FWD TL, the benefit of additional traction won't be substantial. In fact, you can do better with dedicated winter snow tires and switch to high performance tires for the other three seasons (if you happen to live in the snowbelt).
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    Torque steer could be serious issue for people who rent a Maxima for the first time and do not anticipate this condition. Some people may actually lose control of the car if they do not hold onto the steering wheel firmly. Torque steer is less of a problem for Maxima owners, once they become familiar with this phenomenon.

    I wonder if there should be a warning label inside the car warning people about this condition. At least rental cars should have one.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    there is a warning in the owners manual.
  • kennyg5kennyg5 Posts: 360
    I agree with you. When I first experienced torque steer, I was startled. But since I always drive with both hands on the steering wheel, I quickly took control, thus avoiding any potential mishap. I don't recall what hp do the 00-01 Maxes have, but the incremental increase in hp in the 02-04s brings out the beast in the FWD MAx.
  • rswaglerswagle Posts: 27
    Hi all. I am in the market for a new car and will be parting with my beloved Maxima soon. What i am distresssed with is the offers I have been recieving with private sale vs. Trade in at dealers.
    2002 Maxima GLE w/ Sunroof
    Upgraded Harman Kardon Navigation unit
    3M metallic tint 3M clear bra
    Fed only the best mobil 1 super sybnthetic oil
    35 K miles
    Clean title and no cosmetic issues

    End result of offers... 13K-16500. OUCH!
    Tell me if I am way off base or does the maxima really depreciate that bad.
    Thanks for the input.
    Best Regards,
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Jay, also ask your question in our Real-World Trade-In Values discussion - the folks hanging out there are very helpful. You'll need to give them your approximate location with your details.

    Good luck - let us know how it goes.
  • biancarbiancar Posts: 913
    I have a 2000 GLE, excellent condition, low miles for the year (about 51,500), and on "real world trade in values" the numbers Terry gave were in that same ball-park that you're getting. Since your car is 2 years newer, it seems like your offers are a little low but not way out of line.

    If you love the car why are you trading it?
  • rswaglerswagle Posts: 27
    Thanks for the input. I am trading the Maxima bc. I have entered a different phase in my business career and entertain business clients frequently. I have been looking at the MB E320/500 lately. Phenomenal car and well engineered. The maxima has truly been an outstanding car however not the right vehicle at this time for me personally.
    Best Regards,
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    I checked Kelly blue book trade-in value for an 02 Maxima Gle with 35K miles in excellent condition. It is around $16.2K.

    Many decent dealers use Kelly blue book trade in values as a guide when assessing your trade. However, they will play games with the car condition. Mostly they will consider any vehicle "good", not excellent and this will lower the value (in your case by $ 1000 to $ 15.2.

    Unethical dealers will use the auction black book and quote you the lowest auction price in the book for a car that could have been stolen and recovered, be a lemon with 4 owner history, have collision history, etc. As a rule of thumb I will not seriously talk business with dealers who resort to this type of deception, because if your vehicle is truly mint, they will make a maximum dollar on it selling it on their own lot. There are reasons for using the auction book, for example for vehicles with extremely high mileage or very old vehicles that no bank will finance. However, using auction books on premium 2 year old used car is not in my opinion justified, unless they sell you a new car $ 2K below their cost, minus all rebates and incentives.

    I have bought a lot of new cars in my time and I have seen many of the tricks pulled by car dealers. It is amusing for example, that for starters, every one will claim that their dealership is the largest volume dealership in the area and have received the greatest number of recognition awards and have the best service department. This is designed to make you relax into thinking that you will definitely get a good deal and will get great service afterwards.

    Occasionally I run into very decent people and those are the once I do business with.
  • rswaglerswagle Posts: 27
    Thanks for the response. Bunch of good people on this board! I had a funny feeling that the numbers were lower than anticipated. However, in the real world the used car market is probably saturated bc of the low interest rates on new cars. Thanks again.
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