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On my (4-99) 3.5, it occurs occasionally when motor is warm.
On a normal crank, the rpm briefly jumps (smoothly) above 1,000 and then settles at normal idle.
During a rough start, the rpm "does not" jump above idle, it gurgles right to it.
Is this the case for others that are experiencing this?
But my local Chevy dealer didn't bat an eye when I took the Intrigue in for an oil change. I just made sure to remind him that it uses 6 qts of oil, and uses a "new fangled" oil filter.
BTW, does anyone really let the "idiot light" tell you when to change oil? That's what the owner's manual recommends. It claims the on board computer sums up the engine revolutions and through some kind of formula of your driving style, will tell you when to change oil, which will be "around" 7000 miles.
I'm old enough to remember 3000 mile changes-- (although I'm willing to give the modern formulated oils their due, and let it go to 5000.)
It's either a cam sensor or a crankshaft sensor.
71ss: the car was ready thursday, but i haven't had a chance to pick it up. I will get it this am.
Does the intrigue use 6 quarts or 5.5?
It doesn't actually measure the oil.
I am in for the longer haul and a few extra changes is a repentance for abusing the engine.. It makes me feel better..
bz4---3.5 is 6 qts. My Northstar is 7 qts.
It's the big daddy.. 3.8 is 4.5 qts.
Runs wild, starts easy, and leaks no oil or water.
Just one fine set of wheels which reminds me; the engine needs a qt of oil to keep the innards greased for High Performance.. 800 miles to change +/-100..
The 3.5 has to be the finest motor to come out of the GM camp since the Northstar..
They put in a new lower control arm. The popping sound when turning right is still there. The steering does feel tighter though.
I missed my car and drove it around quite a bit.
Drove over to Daniel Island to look at the Tennis Stadium they built for the Family Circle tennis tournament. It will start this coming week. Very impressive, hope it turns out to be a success.
Got back on the highway and cruised around at 70.
Wish the car was a little quieter though.
While i was at the dealership i noticed that the 2001's do in fact have wheel liners. I need to drive one to see if it is any quieter.
I had looked at a 2001 last september and it did not have the liners.
b4z: I have suspected that 1415 is 71ss in disguise. They sound very similar and both own an Intrigue and Caddy... Although 71ss seems to be the more optimistic alter ego, while 1415 deals out the criticism.
j coleman: what are we gonna do? I know others experience this too. I recall it being discussed many times with different theories but as long as dealers say "cannot duplicate", we're stuck.
Anyone else familiar with the rough start?
Did 1415 go down to florida? I can't remember. I do remember that 1415 used to own a '71 SS though.
I guess he got bored and felt like he needed to change something about the way he posted.
I have posted uncountable times about my rough start condition. I think timmyvw has the same problem.
Don't remember/forgot.. before I forget; b4z!!!did the lower control arm cut the noise level????
Is there a TSB on "control arms"??
Several of us are interested in gathering for a get-together and car show & comparison at the Rockaway NJ Mall off Rt80 on April 22 anytime after noon. We're hoping to see a nice representation of GM brands and have a great time checking out each other's ride.
If any of you are interested, please stop over to the Bonneville forum and let us know or you may email me (see my profile).
I enjoy your forum - seems like the ethos of life here - both enjoyment and grief over Intrigue and Olds in general.
Hope to see some gorgeous Intrigues on April 22nd.
Ken
After the engine had its temper tantrum, the condition has never repeated..I imagine it is encoded and could be recalled by dealer check..
The Northstar after idleness of 10 to 30 days is a real mess to restart..It is blamed on the gas going bad after prolonged periods of no running..
On starting the 3.5; I do not depress the accel. prior to the initial crank and never touch gas until it is started. I assume one can flood or load up combustion chambers if the pedal is pumped???
When I have a repeated starting problem then I shall let the dealer touch it if they can give me a logical reason for meddling..
There may be differences in gas grades and some of the lesser known brands may be troublesome. I had the Caddy dealer in Fla tell me to stay away from one of the major cheapie gas chains.Can't recall the name though!!
The higher compression Northstar in starting cold will backfire occasionally if the gas pedal is not slightly depressed. I have had emission warnings where the dealer must reset or replace some chip on several occasions. My wife never has the problems as the main driver; but as soon as I get involved, bang!!it blows away..
Don't hold your breath on any TSB's from olds.
p.s. the gurgle to normal oper. rpm occurs fast and the car runs fine then. So "pause before start"
I have linked this discussion into that folder, but it will always reside here in Sedans.
Looking forward to meeting everyone!
KarenS
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-noise coming from wheel wells (I think) when I turn or go over bumps. sometimes from the fromt, sometimes from the back. noticed this from the day I bought it.....
-noticed a slight thumping feeling coming out of the steering wheel/column when turning. this just started at 21k miles.....My 95 Explorer has the same problem since day 1 and they've never been able to correct it.....
-had a burning smell coming from the wheel wells (i think.....can this be related to the noise coming from there?). took it to the dealer and they said it was leaking oil on the engine. they replaced the oil pan gasket. took 2 days for them to get the part! i've smelled that smell since, although only a few times....
The road noise is ever present in intrigues. Don't know if the 2001 wheel liners can be retrofitted.
We also have Ontario covered like a blanket; so nobody should get stranded while venturing into our Nafta neighbor for fun and games along with the wild $$$$$$..
With our 30 members we can help Olds overcome their latest slogan "unable to duplicate" with on the spot solutions..
We even have a West Coast authority if they would stay off of the Big Island.. A two time Intriguer!!!
Enough whacko talk--did you notice?? no politics!!!
vcjumper, that Intrigue you saw with no "Oldsmobile" script was a 98. The only place 98s have the name is etched into the right side back-up lamp lense and on the radio. Smart move Olds, introduce a totally new car and don't put your name on it the first year.
tpken, sounds like fun. Too bad I'm more than an afternoon drive away(TN) or I'd be there with my Intrigue. I'd even try to get my father to bring his 95 Aurora and my brother to bring his 99 Alero. Funny too that you guys are meeting on Earth Day. What a way to counter all the protests and demonstrations by the tree huggers:)
j_coleman: what kind of gas do you use?
The new Q45 Infiniti 2002 interior is outstanding; and the 340hp for motoring looks like a winner..Since the resale value of the Infiniti somewhat mirrors the decline of Intrigue values; this car could represent an opportunity in the used catagory..
Also enjoyed the convertible tests and the Z-28 is the winner; however noboby buys them so another great value about ready to disappear from our byways..
I believe it's the first time that a Toyota product ever came in dead last in a road test.. Solara is not a standout; and to think the conv is also offerred in the 4 cylinder version..
etharmon---you want to watch those LS tires for you are going to pop out 400 big ones and hand the car over to the dealer.. The next owner will be the winner.. Tires last longer up north for the heat and the abrasive road surfaces in the south kills the tire life..
It's 2:20 am and today I shall call the local tire dealer to see if he is ready to face the gruesome task of selling 4 tires that will balance out to no-shake, perfect runout up to the limit.. I may take the car back to the selling dealer for the Service Mgr had a tire store for several years and understands the art of balancing/runout. They tweaked the 98 Intrigue at 20k miles to absolute perfection on tire balance..of course it cost the factory two new tires; but GM could afford it..
Look at the bright side for you have a good set of wheels; and a much safer car with power to spare..Wait until the summer gas comes along and the weather warms up; your mileage will go up several notches.
1415 went south I guess; seems like the best for all.
b4z---you never did tell us about the new lower control arm????
Question for all???? In upgrading to different tires; was the front rattle cured,lessened,or not affected???
My LSs are 85% shot and running on 34# cold will produce rattles; but at high speeds, no vibs or shake..
500km on a tank for city is pretty usual. Can do about 600-700 on the highway. This is a 6 cyl 215 HP car. You can't expect Escort mileage.
I expected to see a difference in gas mileage but not to actually see the needle descend just going to the corner store! I used to get 500 km/fill on my escort, so this will take some getting used to.
Also, as promised, here are my thoughts after renting a '01 3.5L: I drove more than 400 miles in the rental, pretending I was on a Nascar track. The engine was very smooth and responsive to my demands on the highway (and off). I ran into the same speed limit as my 3.8L. The acceleration cut off at about 110 MPH. I noticed the mechanical whine of the 3.5L, but it wasn't unpleasant. I think the low frequency growl of the 3.8L blends in better with road noise and is actually less obtrusive. I noticed a few minor differences between the 2001 and my 1998. For one, the lid to the gas cap is no longer opened by an interior release. No change to the flimsy stereo knobs to control bass and balance though. Still--a wonderful car . . . and I still hope perhaps another GM division (Saturn?) can pick it up.