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  • chuckj2chuckj2 Posts: 3
    I know we discussed this issue about 2000 messages ago but I'm looking for anyone's experience with the new key reprogramming process. I've been waiting for a month now for new keys to arrive. I just returned from the dealer to see if they were in (second time)and he tells me that there have been 2 "new" key recalls during this period and he's still awaiting the arrival of "fixed keys". I noted there were over 25 "C" owners on the waiting list as well. My tech also said MB has advised that the reprogramming may take up to 24 hours for the new keys. Anyone been through this nonsense yet??

    On a lighter note there was a new wagon and 2 new coupes on the lot. Not crazy about the coupes back end and the cheezy interior look but sure would like to have those ponies under the hood of my 240. The wagon is real handsome if you're in the market for an estate vehicle.

    I still REALLY like my 240 and am having a blast with the 6 speed (glad I didn't go with the auto). Planning a 10K mile journey in August (provided I have keys to start the car).

    Any info would be appreciated. Any SC "C" owners out there?? Chuck in Charleston
  • mleskovarmleskovar Posts: 171
    One month ago the dealer ordered me a key and it took 5 days, last week they ordered me another and quoted 5 days again.
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    >One month ago the dealer ordered me a key and it >took 5 days, last week they ordered me another >and quoted 5 days again

    Mark,

    Since this has happened to you twice, do you suppose it could be possible that the problem is with the car's computer programming config rather than defective keys? Just a thought.... and probably a weird one at that!

    Miki
  • mleskovarmleskovar Posts: 171
    I read on one post where the dealer replaced both the keys and the key switch in the dash to finally fix the problem. Not a weird thought. I believe MB is having a quality problem with their keys. Not irritated enough yet to escalate.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Relax Ian, no Desert Silver C-classes ;-) Just two black C320s this time.


    As before, a more pictures of these two cars + details over in the C-class owner's club Photo gallery topic:

    drew_ "MB C-Class Owners: Photo Gallery" Jul 16, 2001 3:44pm
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  • twofourtwofour Posts: 6
    I took delivery of a C240 in mid-March and love this car, especially with the 6 speed. I have to nit-pick to come up with negatives EXCEPT for the standard front seat backs. I am surprised and disappointed that both upper back and lumbar support is not there. A 2 even 1 hour drive will give my wife and I lower back stiffness/soreness (I've never had a back problem)I had to roll up a towel and put it between my lower back and seat back bottom. I know the seats can't be changed but does anyone know of a quality,slim orthopedic cushion that will work. Greatly appreciate any help.
  • nycanyca Posts: 232
    I sure hope the insurance companies aren't scouting these crash photos.

    I'd never seen a picture of the new C with those AMG wheels (second picture), it looks good. Anyone else have them? Can the C accomodate a wider tire than the stock size?
  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    Why wouldn't you want the insurance companies scouting the photos? The C holds up nicely, so your insurance should go down in cost...I looked at ML crash photos for 2 years before getting it :-)
  • jrdh23ajrdh23a Posts: 10
    My daughter has a 2000 C230. I would like to get a built-in phone, but the dealership wants $1500 plus installation charges to put it in. They also tell me that the phone for the 2000 model is a different "mode" than the 2001 models----but that it would be a mistake to use any phone (other than a handheld) except a MB phone. Can someone give me some insight on what to do here! Thanks.
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    >Not irritated enough yet to escalate

    Where the 320 is concerned, I must remember your profound statement. I sure escalated with the Black, but I made up my mind not to do so with the Obsidian. So far so good. It diminishes the joy.

    Miki
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    >Relax Ian, no Desert Silver C-classes ;-) Just >two black C320s this time.

    Whaddya mean JUST two black C320s this time! ;-)
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    I have found that Obus makes the best support pillow for back support. All of the following sites are for these pillows, but they are presented differently.


    http://www.comfortliving.com/obus.htm


    http://www.sitincomfort.com/bacandsup.html


    http://www.obusforme.com/products/lowback.htm. Look at their Driver Seat Series #20, 21, 50, 51 -- the others I think are massage.


    I use for driving their BM01418 Black Obus Seat. It does not have a back but works great for me.


    I use for my computer chair that is too deep the Black low-back BM01518. I have, but do not use the Black side-to-side BM02613. The colors are black, blue, Burgundy, grey, and the model nos change with the color.


    These are specially engineered and work well.


    Miki

  • cticctic Posts: 291
    I betcha Drew can tell you where you can pick up 4 AMGs for cheap.

    Drew, what's with all these C-crash pictures? From what you can see, are all luxury cars equally represented or are just C-class drivers particularly bad?
  • rowlandjrowlandj Posts: 254
    Just to follow up on a post a while back. My AM reception was almost non-existent and the dealer had to replace an amplifier to remedy the situation. If anyone else is suffering from the same problem it is a quick and easy fix. The reception is now MUCH better, in fact, it is better than the reception in my wife's E.

    Regards to all,

    JR

    PS - my C got "popped" in the rear but not nearly as bad as those pics. It still hurt though, and the entire bumper had to be replaced. Found a great body shop, recommended by the dealer, and all is well again.
  • matthew23matthew23 Posts: 11
    The interesting thing about those photos, in the second one, although the front end is completely smushed and mangled, the windshield does not appear to even be cracked, and I can't see even an inch of penetration into the cockpit area. Speaks volumes for safety. And to answer ctic's question, I don't think these pix show that C-Class drivers are particularly bad -- only those C-Class drivers who own black ones.
  • Looking at buying the CLK320 Coupe. Have a couple questions hope someone can give insight to. The CD Player/ Phone Option - why is it $1800? I don't need another cell phone, but you can't get the CD Player without the cell phone. Was thinking of foregoing this option, and getting the CD player at a auto stereo place. Could do better than $1800.
    Any feedback from Coupe owners? Trying to decide if a year wait is worth waiting for the convertible. Drove the coupe and sure like it.
    Thanks.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...is a dealer-installed option. Dealers are notorious for trying to gouge you on this item, but there are competitors out there who are willing to sell the unit at a reasonable price.

    So no, you don't have to buy a phone you don't need to get a CD player in this or any MB. And good luck finding a "stereo place" that will touch this car with a ten-foot pole...you can get all kinds of FM broadcast CD players for this or any car, but doing it right with the fiber connections is another matter. Beware.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    Looking at buying the CLK320 Coupe. Have a couple questions hope someone can give insight to. The CD Player/ Phone Option - why is it $1800?
    Ans: Because the dealer has 4 kids in college, a waterfront mansion, a luxury yatch, 4 cars, and vacations twice a year.

    I don't need another cell phone, but you can't get the CD Player without the cell phone. Was thinking of foregoing this option, and getting the CD player at a auto stereo place. Could do better than $1800.
    Any feedback from Coupe owners?
    Ans: When I bought my C a few years back I refused to add the CD player for the same reason. I bought the OEM CD player from www.clairparts.com for a few hundred bucks and installed it with my friend in 5 minutes. I saved myself mucho bucks and my dealer had to make do with a trip to Aspen instead of the Alps.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    Oh yeah, my car came with fibre options also. It's just plug and play. There was some erroneous information from the dealer that you'd need to go to them to use their computer to initialize the software or something like that. But that was not need for my 99'C. You only need a screwdriver to install the CD player holder. The fibre option connections and power are just snap ins.

    Worse come to worse, if you can't install it yourself, take it to the dealer and have them install it, or catch a technician on break and slip him $50 to do it, or get a outside MB shop to do it, or in the worse case scenario return it to clairparts minus the stocking fee. Feel lucky today?
  • jerry320jerry320 Posts: 27
    You can get a Mercedes original CD changer for 2001MY at autoclass.net for around $400, and bring it to your local dealer for installation. I paid $125 for installation(labor charge only); however, make sure you get the mounting kit and fiber cable when ordering the changer. There is also a Bekker unit that works with your new Mercedes, but the "Random" key will not function and it is harder to install.

    I put 18" OZ wheel on my 2001 C320. 18x8/235-40-18 front and 18x9/245-40-18 back. Noticeable improvement in braking and cornering.
  • jerry320jerry320 Posts: 27
    In order to install cd changer into the glove box, all face panels need to be removed. The fiber cable is plug and play, but not many of us knows how to remove a/c control pads, radio unit, center wood trims, arm rest, trash bin, glove box unit, and put them back in accordingly afterwards. It took me two visits to my dealer for installation, and they also offer a one year warranty with it. Not a bad deal after all, and it was fun to watch when they disassembled the whole console.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    Yes, my C was a '99 and the CD changer was installed in the trunk. The new C CD changer is completely different!

    Can't cheat the dealer out of this yatch payments and ski trips can we?
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
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  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    What would life be like without the original "Edition C" key ring and the matching pen set featured here?
  • nycanyca Posts: 232
    I can imagine the repair costs on these crash photo cars. Also, the less people crash with their MBs, the lower the loss statistics are for that particular car, and that means lower rates for every owner.

    Why would they make the CD player so difficult to install? Even for the dealer, it has to be a pain...
  • nankynanky Posts: 75
    >>I put 18" OZ wheel on my 2001 C320. 18x8/235-40-18 front and 18x9/245-40-18 back. Noticeable improvement in braking and cornering.

    Jerry, where did you buy your wheels and did you have any problems with the 18" tires rubbing against the insides of the fenders? I am considering 17" with AMG wheels for mine. Tirerack.com is the only placed I've shopped so far. Also, did you sell your stock rims and if so, how easy was it to do so?
  • fuzzofuzzo Posts: 88
    I noticed that there was discussion about Xenon lights? Has anyone added the xenon lights later on (aftermarket or through the dealer)
  • jerry320jerry320 Posts: 27
    The tires don't rub at all. You can use 18x8 for all four with 225/40/18 to be sure. However, wider tires will improve the looks. If you do get 18x8, you might consider lower it (especially the front) or use a spacer (for the back only). I am planning to get H/R springs because they provide a better ride than other brands, and lower the car by 1 inch only.

    AMG wheels are actually manufactured by OZ. AMG puts a logo on it and marks up the price. You can get exclusive AMG 17" for C32 at autoclass.net, but they are very expensive. I brought my wheels directly from OZ, and tires from tire rack. You have to get someone to mount and balance them, and may need to bring it back to MB dealer for re-alignment. Most of my local dealers charge $79.95 for four wheels alignment. Try www.ozwheels.com, they will sell you wheels at very low prices, and no sales tax if you are outside of Florida.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...are not an item you add afterward, through the dealer or anyone else, unless you want to spend an enormous amount of money [well in excess of $1k would be a wild guess]. The xenons use different amperages and thus a completely different wiring harness from the halogens; parts and labor at the retail level would be prohibitive unless you have very deep pockets; it is not a case of swapping bulbs, but swapping electrical subsystems at a significant level of complexity.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Actually, it may not be as difficult as you think. For the M-class, for example, the ballast and ignitor is built into the Xenon headlamp itself. To switch, all you need to purchase is the Xenon headlamp assembly and a pair of wiring harness adaptors to switch the pin-outs. You don't even need the wiring harness adaptors if you're willing to swap the pin-outs yourself (all that is needed is a soldering iron and the proper specs).


    Out come the entire halogen headlamp units, and in go the Xenon ones. You then need to bring in the vehicle to the dealership to get them to properly align the Xenons with an optical device. That's it! What you do lose compared to the factory option, are the headlamp washers, and the auto-leveling system. Cost is about $1200, not bad considering that the Xenons, from the factory, are $875, plus the fact that you need to order the $3500 M-class Sport package in order to get them (this is changed for MY2002 though, due to the new front bumper design).
    http://www.exconde.com/hidmod.htm

    Xenon headlamp retrofits are also available for the E-class, which also has headlamps with the integrated ballasts and ignitors. I haven't seen the back of the HID Xenons on the C-class, so I have no idea if they're integrated like all of the other cars. However, I have a strong suspicion that they are like the rest of the MB lineup.

    PUMA Access is the authorised Hella retailer that M-class owners are purchasing their headlamps from, so they probably have a lot more information on whether a swap is possible for the C-class, and if there are any other parts required. If I bought a C230K coupe, this would definitely be the first thing that I'd investigate since Xenons are not offered in N.America on that model.


    Other vehicle manufacturers don't go to the expense of integrating the ballasts and ignitors into the headlamps, so you have to find a spot to drill and mount them + any special wiring from the ballasts/ignitors to the Xenon bulbs. This is a situation that I would definitely not want to be in.


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