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Mercedes-Benz C-Class Sedans

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    jrct9454,

    Thanks for the reply. You might get a chance to get a B-Class diesel if the dollar/Euro situation swings back the opposite way. When the U.S. diesel fuel is cleaned up I'm sure Mercedes, BMW and Audi will all import some of their best diesels. They will be a nice alternative to hybrids, imo.

    nyccarguy,

    Nope, there won't be a C280 Sport. The C280 will offered as a wagon and sedan in luxury guise just like the current C240. Yes there will be a SLK280 with 227hp. Here is an piece of the article from GCF about Mercedes debuting these new models at Geneva this past March.

    http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050223.006/mercedes/1.html

    ". With four completely new V6 engines, the C-Class takes a clear lead in its market segment where output and torque are concerned. Of the new engines, three are V6 petrol units with 150 kW/204 hp (C 230), 170 kW/231 hp (C 280) and 200 kW/272 hp (C 350). The C 320 CDI with the state-of-the-art V6 diesel engine (165 kW/224 hp) also joins the line-up."

    Just subtract 4hp for the U.S. versions.

    M
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,663
    I really think the C-Class has aged well and still looks fresh, especially the Sport Models. The 2.8 should have more than enough power (especially given our cop infested, overcrowded roadways here in the NYC area). I'd definitely check one out for my wife sometime next year. Sport Suspension, bigger wheels, and all the other Sport Model goodies are a must though. We're thinking of getting a BMW 325i via ED, but at over $40K for a C350 Sport...

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  • jon767jon767 Posts: 2
    I have owned a Mercedes ML320 and E320 and currently own an E500 4matic, I must say that my 2005 C240 4matic is THE BEST MERCEDES OF THOSE THREE. WHY because it is able to blend all of the positive of the other three into a cheap, sporty, economic package. It is also really good in the snow and has better cornering traction then the M class even in the snow. my only regret is not buying the C320 because after driving the e500 and then driving my 240 it feels really lagged and slow, but once on the highway its fine.
  • interwebinterweb Posts: 4
    I've had numerous exterior bulbs have been burning out and the Air Conditioning has leaked four times (but dealership has been great in fixing them and given us great service).... Well just tonight the worse problem of all, does anyone know about this!?? The Car engine won't start!! The battery is fully charged and its not the alarm or the smartkey.. I also tried to jump the car to give it extra joice and it doesn't make a difference the battery still seems fine, the lights are all strong and radio is fine. What happens is when i turn the key to start the engine, there is a slight click noise and the lights go out for a brief split second. I never even hear the engine even trying to start...

    Any ideas???
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Sure - the click noise is the key - probably means the starter relay is shot, or the starter itself. Don't know if the starter relay if fused, but I would check the owner's manual to be sure. If not, it's call the flat bed - unless you have the kind of skills to deal with this.
  • kronogoosekronogoose Posts: 116
    Can anyone enlighten me on changes for next year?

    Thanks,

    Greg
  • jcat707jcat707 Posts: 168
    I read on another one of the boards (I think it was under future vehicles), that the there will be engine changes. The C230 is supposed to get a 2.5 liter V6, the C240 is supposed to become the C280 with a 2.8 liter V6 , and the C320 will become the C350 with the same 3.5 liter used in the E, M, and SLK-Class. Also, there will be no Sport or Luxury designation as ther was for the 2005 models. Instead there will just be sport packages. These are the major changes that I can remember. I think all the stuff is minor like changing options around. There are also some color changes.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    That's correct. Also, all three models get the new 7-speed automatic, either as optional or standard. In any case, there is no more C230"K" in the sense that the 1.8 4 cyl with the supercharger ["Kompressor"] will be history in our market.

    "C230" = 2.5 V6, approx 200 hp
    "C280" = 3.0 V6, approx 225hp
    "C350" = 3.5 V6, approx 265hp

    All hp estimates give or take a couple depending on emissions control decisions and exhaust tuning. HP up, emissions down, fuel consumption down, prices steady, win-win....
  • haaseshaases Posts: 1
    I wondered if someone has an opinion on a 2001 C320. A local dealer is offering it for $25K (in PA). It only has 10,000 miles but I'm concerned about some of the repair (esp electrical) costs that I've been reading about. The car is being offered by a Ford dealer who will give a 2 year warranty on the drivetrain. Obviously the car looks sweet in the pictures. I'm afraid if I drive it, I'll make a rash decision. Am I looking for trouble with this model year??? :confuse:
  • kronogoosekronogoose Posts: 116
    Thanks for the information. Are the prices (especially on the C230) expected to stay about the same? And, on a different note, am I correct in thinking that I can't order a manual transmission with the 4matic (AWD) option?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Prices will do their usual year-to-year increase, but I would look for no more than 1-1.5%.

    To my knowledge, MB still does not plan to offer a manual transmission with AWD. In fact, for now, if you order AWD, you get the older 5-spd automatic, not the newer 7 spd.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Not only is the price high, I would simply never buy any Mercedes from a Ford dealer. The drivetrain warranty is all but useless - it isn't the drivetrain that causes problems in these cars. The engine and transmission are, for the most part, pretty bullet-proof. The problems are all with the electronics - memory seats, keys, alarm systems, the fiber-optic bus the connects everything, fuel sending units, etc. None of this is going to be helped by a drivetrain warranty.

    If you can find a dependable third-party warranty company to cover what matters in the car at a reasonable price [go online or start with the F&I mgr at a local MB store], then maybe....otherwise, I would pass....
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    A negative in the 2006 models is that MB is removing rear side airbags as standard and making them an option. These are the airbags to protect the abdomen, not side curtain airbags for the front & rear (these are still standard).

    MB had been the only manufacturer to make the full airbag complement standard in all of its vehicles. Starting with the 2006 M-class and now the 2006 C-class, they're now making these safety features optional.

    On the positive side, MB will make its new front active head restraints standard in all C-class models.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Well, the rationale here is that the back seat is often occupied by children, and the side bags have the potential to do more harm than good. This is why virtually everyone else had, in the past, made them optional even when the rest of the cabin was covered by a plethora of inflatables.

    In an era of endless lawsuits, this is still another example where the corporation is doing the math and deciding what leaves them with the least potential for grief.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Well, the rationale here is that the back seat is often occupied by children, and the side bags have the potential to do more harm than good. This is why virtually everyone else had, in the past, made them optional even when the rest of the cabin was covered by a plethora of inflatables.

    I'm afraid that theory really doesn't hold water, since the rear side airbags were standard equipment before in the C-class. They didn't suddenly become unsafe for children, and lawyers didn't suddenly wise up to the lawsuit potential.

    MB has long insisted that their rear side airbags are safe for children. NHTSA's testing has demonstrated that rear side airbags in general are safe when children are seated properly. It's laughable what NHTSA had to do to "cause injury" to the dummies. They positioned the dummy with its back against the door, across the seat, and obviously unbelted.

    AFAIK, NHTSA has never logged one valid incident where a child was hurt by rear side airbags.

    The E-class still includes rear side airbags as standard. Obviously there's no safety issue there, and E-class owners can probably afford better lawyers ;-).

    It's obvious that the omission in the 2006's is a subtle price increase. For the 2005's, they dropped the free maintenance program to get the same effect.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...just offering the rationale. BMW has a brand new car in the E90 3 series, and they don't offer them as standard, either.

    If you're that concerned, you should let them know how you feel, and get a corporate response,
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    ...just offering the rationale. BMW has a brand new car in the E90 3 series, and they don't offer them as standard, either.

    But BMW has never offered them as standard equipment, so it's no surprise that a brand new 3-series doesn't have them standard either.

    My main point is that it's not a safety issue, since other MB's continue to have them as standard equipment.. And the ones that now don't have them standard, had them as standard equipment for years.

    BTW, the rear side airbags will continue to be standard on 2006 C-class models in Canada.

    Actually, rather than complain to MB USA, I've emailed them asking why someone WOULDN'T want to order the rear side airbags, now that they're an option. It'll be interesting to see what they say.
  • kronogoosekronogoose Posts: 116
    Has anyone sampled (or read a review of) the new seven-speed transmission?

    Thanks.

    Greg
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    I'm inclined to think that jrct is correct in his supposition that MBUSA was motivated by safety (&, equally important, legal) concerns when it decided to make rear side bags optional.

    Not only does BMW make this feature an option, it ships any cars so equipped with the airbags deactivated. If you buy one of these cars, you must then make a trip back to the dealership after you've taken delivery of the car to have the bags activated. Before this is done, you must sign a waiver. At least this was the procedure in 2001 when I bought my 330i.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    But if it's a safety issue, why still offer rear side airbags as standard in other models? It's not as if the C-class has suddenly become unsafe with rear side airbags. The 2006 doesn't have major structural changes and has had rear side airbags standard for all six previous model years?

    Sadly, MB USA hasn't responded to my question on it. I sent it last Thursday.
  • mhs7386mhs7386 Posts: 33
    I have driven a BMW 525, a Lexus ES 300 and a Mercedes C240. The Mercedes was by far the worst car of the three. While the car does have a nice fit and finish and a quiet ride, it is just too under-powered for the money. 168 hp was ridiculously low. The Lexus was the best car of the three, actually more like a MB E class. The C class is for those desperate to impress and have that MB thing on their wheels. A cheap imitation. I say if you can't afford an E class Benz, get a Lexus.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Well, as the happy owner of a C240, these are matters of opinion.

    In any case, the C240 is replaced for the '06 model year by the C280, with a new 4-valve head and 3.0 liter displacement, making over 220 hp. Better fuel consumption, too. Same price and equipment.

    I've never been "desperate to impress" anybody, and certainly not you.

    I think the new IS250, C280, 325, and G35 are all worthy cars with good points and not-so-good. None is perfect, and in each case, there are tradeoffs. And the C is not intended to compete against the BMW 5er, for a variety of reasons.

    The ES' main weakness is its FWD bias - never liked the feel of it compared with our C240, which has been a superb long-distance tourer. It could use more space in the back seat and trunk, but that is true of all of the RWD alternatives under $35k. The ES solves that problem, but so does a Camry for a whole lot less money.

    This is the second time today I've felt it necessary to respond to one person or another who is absolutely sure they know why everyone buys a particular car - and is willing to tell us that we should do. I say, vive la difference - pay your money and take your choice. No one has to be put down because of that choice.
  • kronogoosekronogoose Posts: 116
    I understand that the C-Class has been updated for the 2006 model year with new engines and transmissions, and that a redesigned C-Class is coming out in 2007 for the 2008 model year. The "artist's rendering" of the 2008 looks pretty sleek, as it takes styling cues from the CLS.

    Does MB normally refresh or redesign models every couple of years? It seems odd to me that they would make fairly major changes so close together. Does it make sense to wait for the redesigned C for 2008?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Everything is happening right on schedule. Mainstream models like the C sedans are on a 7-year cycle for a complete redesign, so the '07 calendar year for an '08 model year complete redo is on the button. Yes, the car looks nice, though I am a particular fan of the current body, for that matter.

    And yes, it is common for them to do both mid-cycle facelifts [in this case, from the '04s on with the new interiors and wheels] and complete drivetrain swapouts [yes, the '06s get three new drivetrains, all V6s - 2.5 badged C230, 3.0 badged as C280, and 3.5 badged as 350]. Both the engines and transmissions [only on rwd cars - the 4-matics stick with the old transmission] are indeed new, though the "newness" in the case of the engines is not that radical. Basically, they took the old block and added new heads [4 valves per cylinder] and new intake manifolds with continuously variable valve timing.

    No reason for them to wait for the new body to put in the new drivetrains. The new ones don't cost significantly more to produce, have more power AND lower emissions AND lower fuel consumption, and the engine mounting points are the same. Win-win.
  • First, you cannot compare C class with 5 series of BMW and Lexus ES. They are different league. I think you should be comparing with with 3 series and IS class.
    ES and 5 series would be more close to E class.

    Second, I do not think anyone would drive a car to impress someone unless they are teenager trying to get a date. Anyone who drives C, E, S, or what ever never impressed me one bit. So, I drive C class and I do not expect anyone to be impressed. I drive C because I like the car and the feel of it.
  • kozmokozmo Posts: 6
    Hi all

    I found a comfy 1999 C280 through my credit union at $16,300 with 61k miles.

    the car runs good and feels solid...is this year and car a good buy....? or a good-bye?

    I've gotta get a car this week so your experience suggestions are appreciated.

    BTW: I'm comparing it to:
    2001 Saturn SC2 Coupe 3D - 40k miles
    1999 Honda Civic LX Sedan 4D - 61k miles
    2000 Mazda Miata MX-5 Convertible 2D - 24k miles

    which one is the better car for the buck vs repair costs?
  • newownernewowner Posts: 18
    Have a mechanic check the Benz out and if all looks well, I would go with it. Saturn should be last on your list. Hondas are good too, just depends on what you are looking for in terms of comfort and reliability.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    Realize that parts and service for the C280 will be far, far more expensive than any of the alternatives that you listed. In particular, the Miata and Civic will likely be far more reliable and less expensive to own. Can you afford repair bills of a couple a thousand dollars? I'm not saying that you will have those on a regular basis with the C280, but it is certainly a possibility.
  • c280manc280man Posts: 7
    I have heard contradictory statements regarding Mercedes offering a bluetooth kit for older cars and a bluetooth option for new cars. MBUSA would not provide any clarification to me. Does anyone know whether Mercedes will offer a kit and, if so, which model year cars it will work with? What about Mercedes plans to offer bluetooth capabilities on new cars? Is there a third party kit that can attach to the Motorola cell phone outlet on Mercedes that will allow any bluetooth-enabled cellphone to communicate in the same manner as the Motorola phones currently communicate? If so, are users of this system generally satisfied with its performance? Thanks.
  • d46d46 Posts: 2
    Hi. I am a new MB owner (2005 C240 4MATIC). I purchased my car last week Monday, and after reading some posts regarding electrical gremlins in certain MBs, I have been thinking whether I should purchase an extended warranty. Is it common for most MB owners to purchase an extended warranty? Is it due to the electrical problems I've been reading about or are there other mechanical issues common to the C240? Do you have any idea on the average price for an extended warranty or know where this info can be found? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks!
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