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Mercedes-Benz C-Class Sedans



  • edarteedarte Posts: 41
    Why is it unfair to compare the C320 to the LS430? I think it is fair to compare any two cars, as long as you consider the costs and benefits fairly. It only cost me $6000 to go from the C to the LS. Now the C had every option on it and the LS does not have the luxury package with reclining vibrating rear seats , etc. But overall it has much more than the C in options plus a V8 (290 HP) and a lot more room (and I expect much better quality and reliability). I could just as easily compare the LS430 to the S500 (again you have to consider the costs)

    I can understand why you think my concluding statement was intended to be inflammatory but it really wasn't. Maybe exageratted, but not inflammatory.

    I made this statement because, as I have said in previous posts, I really wanted to buy a MB. And only over several months did I change my mind. Several months of watching this board.

    It is too simplistic to say I am just looking for reliability (but I see nothing wrong with expecting that in addition to other requirements).

    Something very simple can be very reliable. A hammer almost always works. But the cars we discuss here are far from simple. They are very sophisticated and complicated. Lexus (IMO) demonstrates it can build excellent cars that almost always work as designed. MB is starting to show serious problems in this area.

    I don't mean to rehash this stuff because I have done this before on this board and I appreciate the understanding and the hospitality of the readers to tolerate me having my say.

    I only responded today because I wanted to balance out the view that while the C has the potential to be a great car there are definite problems with its production. And I say this knowing that there are C owners out there who have not had the problems.

    But when a car costs this much money I think one has the right to expect near perfection. This is just not the case with the C today and I think it is misleading to advise someone to go ahead and order one without first warning them to expect problems.

    It is true these boards are not controlled statistical samples and there is "mischief" posted on the internet. But I think it is a reasonable assumption that all automotive sites are equally prone to mischief and all car owners are equally likely to report their problems on a board. You just see a lot more problems on the MB site. (Especially after considering the relative number of vehicles sold by each manufacturer) And while MB's quality may be "more reliable than average" my point is that they cost a lot more than average and you don't get what you pay for. And as you say JD Powers and others find Lexus to be the best. And, while I may be wrong I thought someone recently reported that MB was 10th in the list - not near the top (But I do admit I have not taken the time to verify this report)

    I will now promise not to "stick my oar in again" (at least for a month or so). Again I enjoy the dialogue.

    Enjoy the Holidays.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    I go away for 3 months. I come back and what's the first thing I see?

    Person A: I finally decided to buy brand X because MB has the reliability of a Yugo/Kia/Fiat. Why pay $ for the MB name when you can get brand X for better quality/cheap price etc? When you pay $$$ you have the right to expect perfection. This is not intended to be inflammatory even though I'm posting in the MB forum.

    This is gotta be second oldest storyline in the world. The first is of course boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl. This storyline is Man buys brand X. Man compares brand X and disses MB in the MB forum. Man says it's not meant to be inflammatory. I must have seen this at least 50 times since I joined Edmunds. What is funny is ofcourse they're all comparing whatever brand X is to Mercedes-Benz, proving that MB is still #1.

    From the perspective of someone who hasn't been talking cars for months I can tell you this. You are what you drive. People buy cars to reflect who they are. People don't care about prices or consumer reports. People who can afford to buy a $47K car buy a $47K car. They don't buy a $20K car and invest $27K in mutual funds. And if you bought a Lexus you probably didn't want the MB in the first place.
  • acco20acco20 Posts: 208
    Edarte,Perhaps you misunderstood my post #4878. My point was that the LS430 is an unfair comparison to the E class MB because the LS430 is so much more car for the extra $6000 dollars. $6000 dollars is a lot of money, but the difference you get for the expense is outstanding. Your last post helps make MY point. Enjoy the Lexus, as I said before... The LS430 could be, "the best 4 door sedan in the world", INHO.
  • For the price I paid for my E-430 4Matic I could have bought an LS430. I have no doubt the Lexus is a well-built car, but my E-430 is solid, comfortable, handles well, has plenty of power, and is also reliable. On top of all that, it has 4-wheel drive. IMHO the E-430m 4 Matic is the world's best 4 door sedan.
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    Everyone has an opinion on this-here's mine. The LS430 is a magnificent car-that's beyond question.
    I've never agreed with the "get biggest engine option",so i think the E320 a better value,and is the one I'd want. I don't really like the E430-I'd go up to the S430,although I realize the car might seem slow to some(but my sister's 1992 S320 I find peppy enough).
    I don't think the LS430 is really a driver's car. It is so quiet and smooth,it's like an isolation chamber-it's eerie!
    But Lexus seems guilty of giving the customer whatever he wants,whereas Mercedes still seems to have a corporate vision of what their cars should. They are professional designers,after all.
    I have two problems with the LS interior that TOTALLY ruin it for me. First of all there are two interior thermometers-why? It seems typical of that "downtown Tokiyo at night"look. And the interior wood-there's far,far too much of it. It just looks ridiculous and even a little tacky. There's no restrain inside.
    Finally,the Benzes are so much more fun todrive-there's just no comparison.
    Of course,we all have passionate views of these great cars.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    When is Mercedes-Benz NA going to get their act together and bring back diesel-engined cars back to the States? I'm not going to wait forever for a brand-new diesel Mercedes, so if they're not coming, forget it; I'm spending my money on a Volvo instead.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...until the US oil industry agrees to get the sulfur content of diesel fuel down to levels at or below what is currently available in Europe, there will be no more diesels here from MB. They cannot meet the emission requirements for CA now, or the rest of the country for 2004, with the junk that passes for diesel fuel in this country.

    When and if this comes to pass [better fuel], then we should once again see these alternatives not only from MB, but also BMW, Audi, etc.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,393
    A few months back I attended a Mercedes-benz Power Trip event in New Jersey. As I will be in the market for a new car in the next year (When the lease is up on my Saab). The 2 cars I was most curious to drive were the C240 & C230K Coupe.

    I loved the C230K Coupe. The engine is spirited and has a nice note to it. The supercharger whine was not as evident as it was in the '00 C230 sedan I last drove. The car was MB solid & handled well. Acceleration was good (even with the slushbox, which is the best slushbox in the business by the way), but not as quick as my Saab.

    The C240 was a nice car. It didn't have the Sport Package, but still rode nice and firm. I'm sure it is a wonderful highway cruiser. The car felt very underpowered. It would be nice if MB put the 2.8 V6 from the old C280 and made that the base engine.

    I've been a huge MB fan for quite a few years. I think they make some of the most beautiful cars on the road. The C-Class with a Sports Package is a very sleek and sexy looking car. I've priced out a C240 and 325Ci similarly equipped and the BMW comes out to be much cheaper. Unless there are some steep discounts from MB next December, I'd probably go with the BMW.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,393
    The C230K Coupe. I'd have to drive the 6 speed first though.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • Does anyone know where I could get a Mercedes Badge to replace the hood ornament on a 2002 C320? I like the look of the badge so much better but can't seem to find anyplace that has them.

  • cticctic Posts: 291
    Your local MB dealer should have a badge they can sell you. Just call them up.
  • Bootfay mentioned in post #4876 that his headrest rattles - I have the same problem with my 2001 C240 (7500 miles) and it is driving me up the wall. I have had both the driver's and passenger's headrests tightened, but it has not helped the rattles . . . has anyone else had this problem, and if so, was successfully repaired?

    One more question; I use the cigarette lighter for charging my mobile phone - I yanked the charger out this morning and took a chip off the bottom edge of the wood trim, just at the corner of the opening to the lighter/cup holder area. Does anyone know if this can be repaired? If so is it very costly and does it look good afterward? I saved the chip, but I wasn't sure if I would be better off just leaving it alone.

  • lxgmblxgmb Posts: 41
    My C320 has 9500 miles on it now. I called dealer to schedule the 1st maintenence today, they said the maintenance was not necessary until the light comes up at the dashboard, and they wouldn't rotate the tires until the 2nd maintenance, which is about 20000 miles. Is this car that good?

    Does the car need warm-up in the moring?
    I notice that cold air gets in the car from the front door area. Any comments?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Their stance is that no oil changes will be paid for except at the FSS intervals. So, you have a choice of paying for it yourself, or waiting for the FSS to indicate it's time. Could be up to 15k miles, depending...

    But if you want decent tire life, they are going to have to be rotated sooner. Do it yourself or have a tire dealer do it; just make sure they take good care to avoid damaging the wheels, and that a proper torque wrench is used to do the lug bolts.

    If you wait to rotate the tires until the second service, you may as well not bother.
  • lxgmblxgmb Posts: 41
    Actually, I don't mind to pay for the "supposed to be free" service. The problem is - is it necessary? is this car so good that it needs so little care? I have a new CAMRY, the dealer always suggest me do all kinds of maintenance.

    You said "Could be up to 15k miles, depending...".
    What do you mean by "depending"? I think there should a certain number set in your car, e.g., 10k miles. Do they put some kind of sensor in engine or somewhere to test the quality of the oil and then decide when to have it changed?

    I read some thing before, saying they put sensor in the brake pad to test when the pad needs to be replaced.

    I am really confused about how intelligent the car is.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    I will stick with the FSS because of Mobil1.

    There is a symbol on the dash that tells you when you need your brake pads changed. Mine has come on intermittently.

    jrct is right about the tire rotation. I was lazy and didn't bother, now I will have to replace the tires when FSS B comes around.

    Warm up. When the car was new, the moment I turned it on it started at about 3500 rpm. Now that the car is older it starts at about 7K rpm. After 20 seconds or so it will drop under 5k rpm. Then I'll drive it.
  • I hope that you meant 700 RPM and 500 RPM, respectively.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    Yar, that's what I meant :-) And 350 rpm. BTW, the initial higher rpm thing has happened with every car that I've own, Japanese, American, Italian.
  • I, too, was interested in replacing the hood ornament (on my CLK) with a badge. My dealer told me that the badge costs $75, but was a simple matter to install. This price seems high. Has anyone else priced one? Does anyone know of an aftermarket source for the badge?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,393
    Try ripping on off a car that already has one...LOL! I think the best route is though your MB Dealer.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

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