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Oldsmobile Aurora

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  • rjs200240rjs200240 Posts: 1,277
    Saturn Red-line, Impala SS, GTO...

    I realize the GTO isn't under $25K, but it's only $33K. A guy I work with paid more than that for a used 350Z (he paid more than I did for my brand-new, ordered-just-for-me Aurora)...
  • HenryHenry Posts: 1,106
    I have decided to blow up to $1,000 on the 95. Any suggestions??? RSM, corsa, take Pat out????
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  • HenryHenry Posts: 1,106
    I did not find the post. I tried the search feature that was mentioned but it did not come up. I think it was in eiher the "Aurora1" or "Aurora2" threads that preceded this one and they have been archived.

    Henri
  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    ...I think the Corsa is $995 + install (another $250-$300). If $1k is your ceiling, I think the Corsa is out. I have heard of others putting FlowMasters or other exhaust systems on, for less than the Corsa.

    Personally, this is the #1 thing I'm waiting for once my car is paid off next April (as long as Corsa will still offer the STS system). I already know a good exhaust shop (my co-worker used them to put FlowMasters on his '69 Firebird convertible). I look at the pictures of Greg's Aurora, which mine is a clone of (black '98, though I have the stock chrome wheels), and have lust...

    --Robert
    who should really get back to work :-)
  • When did Zinc's Classic Aurora Website disappear?

    Is there a copy of it anywhere?

    I know that Zinc sold his Aurora Classic a while back and was not going to continue to develop the site. But it was such a great repository of information.

    I, for one, will miss it. ;-(

    Steve

    1996 Aurora
    79,200 miles
    Autobahn
    Black / Black
    Borbet Wheels / Bridgestone Turanza LHS Tires
    KYB Struts
  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    I used Adobe Acrobat to make a PDF of the site. It didn't include any of the downloads, but had all of the pictures, etc.

    Unfortunately, the PDF is about 50 MB in size - a little large to email... maybe I'll post it to my web site. If I do, I'll post the URL here...

    --Robert
  • rjs200240rjs200240 Posts: 1,277
    CORSA!

    You should've talked to Taylor before he got rid of his car. Maybe you can still salvage it from him if they didn't sell the car yet. A few bucks for the old one to get re-installed, a few bucks to ship, and a few bucks for his time and I bet you could do it under $1000...
  • Do you mean this page, or am I mistaken?

    http://members.fortunecity.com/zincster/

    I still have it bookmarked in my browser and visit it from time to time to get pictures and various info. Actually, I was just on there a day or two ago to get that wallpaper he had posted.

    -Brian
  • I have searched this forums as well as a Google Web Search for Polyurethane Bushings for 1996 Aurora. I also checked the Energy Suspension site.

    I would really like to restore the suspension on my 1996 Aurora which is about to hit 80,000 miles.

    I recently installed KYB struts in the front.

    I am about to install Bridgestone Turanza's LH-S with a forced-wheel balance and 4 wheel alignment.

    I would like to replace the front, lower control arm bushings at this time.

    Are Polyurethane Bushings available for the 1996 Aurora?
    If yes, could someone share this information.

    If there a recommended alternative to Polyurethane?

    TIA,
    Steve
  • HenryHenry Posts: 1,106
    I dont remember why he said it but my mechanic at the dealer recommended against putting the polys on the 1995. I will have to check with him as to wht the issue was with the car to see if it aplies to the 1996.

    Henri

    And Robert, I did post to Taylor saying I would buy his whole car and use it to put in the 4.6L (try anyway) but he never responded and sold the car.

    I was reminded by my "friend" that I had already blown a few thousand on the 84 Riv. Therefore, I might want to cool my jets on the Aurora since the Classic is out of warranty and known for high repair costs.

    I wish I could show you guys my toy Riviera, but I do not know how to post pictures to this board.

    Henri
  • garnesgarnes Posts: 950
    kayaman - I really don't think those Neon SRT's are really that fast. From what I've seen of all the "pocket rockets" is that they do well if launched just right from 0 and then they give a lot back from any kind of a rolling start. Maybe the SRT is different, but I doubt it. And I really wonder about what's sent to the magazine for testing vs. what's sent to the dealer for you to drive - especially on this type of car. And yeah, any kind of power experienced while sitting on an upholstered milk crate is going to "feel" fast too.

    As for the expensive stuff - well, just wait and get one slightly used. Save 5 figures in $$, and look hard for a nice one. It's amazing, but there are a lot of people that buy something and then change their mind of whatever for something else. These people are great. They can pay for up to half of your new car.
  • garnesgarnes Posts: 950
    Henry - you can get it and always switch it to that 99 you say you might buy someday.

    Anybody getting a Corsa exhaust for the classic, just let me know and I'll e-mail you pictures and a description of what the guys did to make it work on my 98. The only thing I'd do different is have the connection between the converter and the resonator welded. I'm going back to have this done. It's loose now. No biggie, it still sounds the same and performs the same, and isn't going anywhere but I want it solid.

    Make sure you find a shop that can weld 304 stainless steel.

    Also - keep in mind that it's difficult to get the tips just right. Mine are exactly the same height from the floor or the bumper, but they are angled just a tad different (in the vertical axis) which makes one seem "low". If you are exactly behind it at the right height, and look for it, you can tell. But it's very minor. It's tough to get it just right as they do have to make some adjustments to make it fit the Aurora - just so you know.
  • nne3jxcnne3jxc Posts: 134
    The address changed a while ago. It seems to be available on Fortunecity as well as here:http://trak.to/aurora.
  • rjs200240rjs200240 Posts: 1,277
    Bushings exist to absorb some vibration and harshness and to have some give instead of having metal on metal attachments. Polyurethane is a much harder material than rubber, and while it will likely last a lot longer, it won't do as good a job on small vibrations and such. I would stick with rubber on a car like the Aurora if I were you. I don't think you want a buzzy car just to improve the handling a tad. I mean, it's an Aurora after all...
  • My 1996 Aurora has 79,500 miles (70% is highway miles). I recently (about 6 weeks ago) replaced the original MacPherson struts with new KYB struts and boots.

    The ride is now much firmer AND the high speed vibration (between 72 and 75 MPH) is much MORE noticeable.

    I will be replacing my Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce (after 40,000 miles) with Bridgestone Turanza's LH-S. According to my research and discussion with my tire dealer, the Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce have a rather stiff side wall which results in a somewhat stiff ride.

    I chose the Bridgestone Turanza LH-S tires because they are supposed to be a much smoother riding tire than the Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce's.

    http://www.tirerack.com/survey/SurveyComments.jsp?additionalComme- - - nts=y&commentStatus=P&tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=- - - Turanza+LS-H

    The LH-S's will be mounted on Borbet Type E wheels that I have had for the past four years.

    http://www.tirerack.com/upgrade_garage/WheelSearch.jsp?changeColo- - - r=Choose+Color&filterSize=16&filterFinish=All&filterS- - - pecial=Pricing&autoMake=Oldsmobile&autoModel=Aurora&a- - - utoYear=1996

    The tires and wheels will be "forced balance" of on a Hunter GSP9700 machine:

    http://128.242.141.111/pub/features/intro.cfm

    Based on information in this forum and at the Aurora and Cadilac forums at GMForums.com, it appears that the forced balance of the wheels and tires is the most likely fix for the high speed vibration problem on these cars.

    Here is how you can find a local shop that has a Hunter GSP9700 that can do a forced four wheel balance.

    http://128.242.141.111/pub/search/findgsp9700.cfm

    Since I have made the investment to improve the ride of my Aurora, this seemed to be an appropriate and logical time to renew/replace the bushings in the the suspension. After all, my Aurora is (7) years old (mfg. date April 1996) and has approximately 79,500 miles.

    This is the reason for my interest in polyurethane bushings for the suspension on my Aurora.

    http://discussions.gmforums.com/showthread.php?t=47005

    I welcome your thoughts and comments on this topic.

    Steve
  • For the New Classics has anyone else reported on the keyhole? Here's what I observed:

    2001 V6 - There's a keyhole in the front passenger door handle.

    2003 - There is not a keyhole in the front passenger door handle.

    What about the other New Classics?

    Ken
  • rjs200240rjs200240 Posts: 1,277
    Hmm, I thought the 2001's didn't have the passenger keyhole either. My car doesn't. I think it's pretty cool. Gives a nicer look to that side.

    New Classics? Don't you mean new Aurora's vs. classic Aurora's?
  • I think that a car has to be relativly "old" to be called a classic. My Grandmother's 1950 Buick might be getting to that age sometime soon. But the first generation Aurora is still a bit too young for that.
  • So, what we have so far is:
    2001 V6 keyhole
    2001 V8 ?
    2002 V6 ?
    2002 V8 no keyhole
  • HenryHenry Posts: 1,106
    I beg to differ. As the last great sedan of the oldest car company in America, the name Classic fits. The styling is unmatched by any sedan on the road. When you see the 95-99 Aurora, you know exactly what you are looking at. While I take nothing away from TNG (the next generation) Auroras, they are not as eye catching as the original. Classic is not just a question of age it is also a question of taste and style.

    Speaking of Classic styling, I finally parked my 84 Riviera along side the Aurora. I believe that the Riv is actually longer than the Aurora! I then parked the Riv along side my neighbor's Saden deville and they were the same overall length.

    WOW these cars are long.

    (No wonder I can never find a parking space in NYC.)

    Henri
  • So, what we have so far is:

    2001 V6: keyhole, trunk lid piece, steel pipes
    2001 V8: ?, solid trunk, steel pipes
    2002 V6: ?, trunk lid piece, stainless pipes
    2002 V8: no keyhole, solid trunk, stainless pipes
    2003: no keyhole, trunk lid piece, stainless pipes

    Have I got that right?

    Oh, yeah, on the "New Classic" - I just call it that as a kind of a joke to myself because it reminds me of "New Coke" vs. "Classic Coke". Production of New Coke didn't last very long, either, just like the new Aurora.
  • My 71 Riviera was both wider and longer than the 79-85 Riviera I think. Engine was 455 cubic inches.
  • garnesgarnes Posts: 950
    For anyone that gets this done, I highly recommend that all the tires be broken down and placed in their optimal location. When they test it, they often won't make any adjustments if it "passes" - about 15 or 16 lbs of up-force. If it passes but can be made better - make them do it. I think there is a difference in ride between say 8 or 9 lbs and 15 lbs.

    If the tire or rim is 100% - no "high spots" then of course it won't matter where the tire is mounted on the rim. The high spot in one cannot be positioned with a corresponding low spot.
  • Many things attribute to the 1st gen Aurora being called a Classic. The things that Henri stated above and the fact that it was orphaned. Also the term is used in a different way than like a 57 Chevy or something. I think it is more of a moniker or nikname than the true definition of Classic.
  • The first generation Aurora's styling was used on the Intrigue. Something about these cars did not go over with "classic oldsmobile buyers". As a result, Oldsmobile was doomed.
  • reason olds was doomed was horrible GM marketing. The Aurora was pound for pound the best car GM ever produced. So they decide to not tell anyone about it. Makes a lot of sense. Heck nobody even knows who makes the Aurora unless you own one. Most people think it is a Japanese car until I say Olds. Then They ask what year and I say 1995 and they almost fall over. GM should have jumped behind the Aurora and rode it to the promise land, but for some reason they decided to hide it in the closet.

    Personally I think it was a Cadillac conspiracy??? any takers on that theory?
  • Oldsmobile is GM's marketing division for Oldsmobiles. They are the ones who goofed. However, most of the car magazines ran pre_introduction test drives of the Aurora months before it went into production. These articles were all quite complimentary of the car. These were pre_production cars though. After the car went into production, I saw advertisements for it in a number of non_automotive magazines, so I don't think that Oldsmobile failed to advertize. In fact the Aurora was a decent seller in 1995 and early 1996. I think the sales slowed in 1997 after the price tag run up. The car was worth the orginal $32,000. My 1998 had a $37,500 (more or less) price tag. My car was a program car, so I got a fair deal on it, but the car was probably only worth $33-34,000, not the $37-38,000.

    The 1992 Seville was planned for a later introduction on the Aurora platform, but Cadillac realized that the Seville was in trouble and needed redone sooner than the Aurora platform could be finished. This also explains why the northstar V8 was not available till a year later. The entire Cadillac line was upgraded to the 92 Seville body in 94. The Aurora platform was put into production a few months later, but they were not ready for the 94 model year.
  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    a) the car didn't even have the Oldsmobile name on it, except for the radio.

    b) they contemplated renaming Oldsmobile to Aurora. The stylized "A" logo almost became the Olds division logo. Frankly, I wish they'd done that - would have been a clean break from the past. The "traditional" Oldsmobile buyer wanted a bench seat, and was unhappy with the model lineup in 2000.

    c) they were going after the "import" crowd with the Aurora/Intrigue/Alero. Yet, wasn't Saturn supposed to do that? I still think the styling between the Aurora and the first-generation Saturns was complementary. I would have tried to combine the divisions - Saturn has just recently got an SUV, and will soon get a minivan, revamped mid-size car (the L-series still isn't selling), etc. Think of what they'd have had if they had the Oldsmobile product in 1998/1999.

    d) the dealer network. Frankly, it sucked, especially service. This is another place where "Saturnizing" the brand might have saved it. I know John Rock (ex-Olds head) wanted to go fixed, non-negotiated pricing on the whole Olds line, but the dealer body revolted. Disgusted, Rock eventually walked away from Olds and retired.

    e) the Aurora did have a number of lemons. Likewise, the Intrigue did have a number of build issues. UAW-GM relations were in the pits in the late 90's, and this led to some of those things. Had the Aurora been built somewhere other than Lake Orion, MI or the Intrigue built somewhere other than Fairfax, KS, it would have certainly helped.

    Someday there will be books written (if they aren't being worked on already) about the colossal mistakes GM made with marketing the Oldsmobile brand since 1989 or so (the original date of the "not your father's Oldsmobile" tagline).

    Bottom line is, as someone who buys only GM cars (I'm not pro-union or Buy American, but I have relatives who are autoworkers, and I want to keep them employed/insured), the death of Olds means the demise of the most attractive car lineup (IMHO) that GM offers. Caddy is coming on, but one size ($$$) does not fit all.

    *sigh*

    --Robert
  • HenryHenry Posts: 1,106
    I have noticed that any negative comment about the car produces a relatively quick armanda of postings.

    I really dont think there is a more passionate group out there than us Aurorians.

        "Don't Tread on Us"
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