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Nissan Leaf

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,524
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    edited June 2011
    The Leaf sales for May are dismal but over twice the Volt sales. 1142 sold last month. There are two running around my little town. I will ask one of the owners in a couple months what their electric bill is running?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,524
    >I will ask one of the owners in a couple months what their electric bill is running?

    Ask them what range they have been able to use and if they've had to have a tow. ;)
  • coontie66coontie66 Posts: 109
    As I understand it the Leaf is avaiable in most states while the VOLT so far has very limited production and is available in just a few states... the number 7 or 8 seems like what I heard.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    It looks like So CA has a good supply Leaves. I just noticed something a prospective buyer should think about. Only the high end SL offers this option.

    Quick Charge Port
    Allows for charging to 80% in 30 minutes at 440V charging stations (This option cannot be added after sale)

    It is a $700 option that you would have to have if you expected to charge your vehicle at any of the Quick Charge stations being built. It is not even available on the SV model. hmmmmm
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Dismal, really? Depressing and Dreary?

    I think they are about what they should be. Early adopters with cash to spend in a bad economy.

    How fast would the Leaf have sold in 2004-2005, when the economy was booming and people had money to spend?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    I am going by the reality of the Leaf Sales. The dealer I stopped to talk to told me they are all pre-sold and thousands waiting to deliver. Which must have been a lie. As there are 67 available here in So CA according to Edmund's. They have only sold 2100 since they went on the market the end of last year.

    I noticed something interesting on the Nissan Leaf site. San Diego already has 61 high voltage DC charging stations. Los Angeles has none. San Fran has a few as does Portland, Seattle, Phoenix, Houston, Nashville & Chicago. Buying the base without the 440V charging capability would be a big mistake. I will research where those are here and the charges to charge. Who knows if it is free I may buy one and take it to be charged for free. Beating Sam at his games is always a pleasure.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, the 20,000 $99 deposits was a reality. They did have that many. There were numerous news stories, and then I tried to logon to the reservation page once and was told "Max Reservations Reached !" So that was not a lie.

    I think the slow roll-out is why the first 20,000 have not been delivered yet. Or maybe a supply disruption caused by the tsunami has affected the deliveries.

    But the 20,000 reservations? 100% factual.

    http://green.autoblog.com/2010/09/23/report-nissan-reaches-20-000-leaf-pre-order- s-will-stop-taking/

    http://www.allcarselectric.com/news/1049692_nissan-celebrates-20000-reservations- -for-2011-leaf-with-u-s-tour

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-takes-20000th-leaf-reservation.html

    http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/2011-nissan-leaf-hits-20000_vehicle-r- eservation-milestone/

    Now - is or was there any guarantee that ALL those 20,000 reservers will *ACTUALLY BUY* a Leaf? Of course not.

    But I'd like to think more than 10% of them have.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Speaking of the 440V charging stations:

    Those would be great if they could put one every 100 miles on every major Interstate freeway in the USA.

    That would allow the Leaf to be used for multiple-day long trips. Albeit S-L-O-W-L-Y.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    edited June 2011
    You may be a bit premature on such a plan. It seems from my google search that finding any charging stations in San Diego is tough. And it seems owners have run into the same roadblock. According to Nissan website San Diego has 1452 level 2 charging stations and 60 DC fast charge stations. In the fine print at the bottom of the Nissan Page is this disclaimer.

    *Researched by Nissan North America based on program announcements, press releases, news stories and public testimony. The charging infrastructure data presented is indicative of the volume of chargers that public and private entities are planning to install in the next several years. Planned volume may not equate to actual installed volume.

    On the Volt website an owner writes:

    For curiosity sake I've been scouring the net trying to find J1772 (Volt and Leaf) compatible public charging stations in San Diego. It appears that not a single one exists in all of the county. There are probably 10-20 sites for the old paddle inductive type (many of which are down). It's a bit disappointing. Anyone know what lies in the future for EV infrastructure?

    He got this response:

    I know you are inquiring about Public charging stations, but San Diego Area Nissan dealers have L2 charging stations available for Leaf owners. The Chevrolet dealer on Balboa in Kearny Mesa is supposed to get a L2 charger for customers in a few months after their remodel. I also heard that Quality Chevrolet in Escondido would be getting one.

    For public charging stations, there really aren't any here yet. There aren't any in the ChargePoint network in San Diego. However, I understand that once the EV Project gets rolling by mid-year there are supposed to be over a 1000 L2 and some L3 charging stations in the San Diego area. See http://www.theevproject.com/overview.php


    My suggestion to any prospective EV buyer. Make sure there is infrastructure in place and what it will cost. Same goes for utility costs for an EV.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Leaf And Volt almost tied for the 2011 sales year. Interesting.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Actually, not premature at all for one state. Oregon already starting this infrastructure build-up:

    http://ecogeek.org/component/content/article/3521

    As part of the Green Highway project where California, Oregon and Washington are partnering to turn Interstate 5 into the first alternative-fuel-friendly freeway in the U.S., AeroVironment is installing Level 3 EV quick chargers along the route in Southern Oregon.
    For this first phase of the project, from the California state line to the Willamette Valley, 150 miles of the highway will have convenient access to EV chargers that can fully charge a battery in 30 minutes. Eight interchanges will be picked based on common destinations, vehicle range and driving distances. The chargers will be installed by the end of the fall.

    The Green Highway will ultimately run from San Diego to Vancouver, B.C. and will feature not only EV charging and battery swap stations, but alternative fuel filling stations for biodiesel, compressed natural gas and hydrogen. The project is being funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

    via Engadget

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    Let me know when it is done and what the cost to recharge is. I wonder how many $billions are wasted on that project? Who's pocket is that money going into? And who has to maintain that system after it is in place?

    Too many of the high dollar projects I saw put into Alaska ended up worthless. The money to build is granted and the project is completed. Then when it breaks no one to maintain it. I am sure with the Feds involved it will be just such a boondoggle.

    If you buy a Leaf get the expensive one with the 440V charging ability. It cannot be added later.
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    If I have a home charger, is it easy to uninstall and install it by my self if I move?
    I'd guess it's not difficult. Does it require 120V or 220V in the house?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    edited June 2011
    They are 220V. If you don't get a contractor in most states you run afoul of the law. You can also void your fire insurance.

    You can just use the basic 110V built-in charger and plug it into the wall. It just takes 24 hours to charge that way.
  • early74bearly74b Posts: 34
    For the LEAF, the charger is also Nissan proprietary and hard-wired; for the new Ford EV they plan to use Best Buys Geek squad for installs and it's a portable unit that can be simply 'unplugged' if you move (the plug itself is very similar to an electric dryer one -- 220V) -- for the LEAF you would need to get it reinstalled. Check the mynissanleaf.com forum as they have actual owners that could tell you if they've run into this -- not sure if the 'portable' charger to be offered by Best Buy would work on the LEAF as it hasn't come out yet but I do like that from the get go Ford decided that its charger should be portable.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    edited June 2011
    Ford always has a better idea.. ;)

    I am wondering if the charging stations being put in around the USA will be universal. The goofy ones they put in for the EV-1 were just for the EV-1 and are now all gone. Our tax dollars wasted.
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    This morning I went to a Nissan dealer just to see how many Leafs they have. I saw a person was charging his two seat car plugged into the Nissan charging station. I asked him if he works at that Nissan dealer he said he works at Hertz, and his car is called ??? under Mercedes-Benz. He said now his car and Leaf and one other brand all share the same charging station, kind like an industry standard.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    Electric Carmaker Think Files For Bankruptcy – Again

    It looks like the end of a long and winding road for Think, the pioneering Norwegian electric carmaker.

    On Wednesday, the Oslo-based company filed for bankruptcy protection in Norway and a court-appointed trustee assumed control of Think’s business, according to Debra Salem, a spokeswoman for its U.S. subsidiary.

    This is the third – and likely the last – trip to bankruptcy court for Think since its founding in the early 1990s. (Battery maker Ener1, Think’s largest shareholder, stated in a regulatory filing that it expected to take a $35.4 million charge.)

    Think was a company ahead of its time in the late ‘90s when it made a plastic-bodied, battery-powered urban runabout called the City that it sold in Europe and leased in the San Francisco Bay Area. (Among its customers was a Stanford graduate student named Sergey Brin.) Ford had acquired a majority stake in Think and pumped $100 million into the development of the City to help it meet California’s zero-emission regulations. But anyone who has seen “Who Killed the Electric Car?” knows what came next when California abandoned its electric vehicle mandate.

    Think this year opened an assembly plant in Indiana and City’s began rolling off the assembly line. In May, the company won a contract to supply the car to federal agencies.

    But Think found itself in the slow lane as the Volt and Leaf began to hit the highway. Last year I drove the latest version of the City in San Francisco. It was a zippy and fun drive, and though much improved over the prototype I first drove in Norway in 2007, it could not match the flawless Japanese quality of the Nissan Leaf.

    While Think never nailed down a retail price for the City, it hinted that it would be around $40,000 – sure to cause sticker shock for buyers who could buy a five-seater, fully equipped Leaf for $10,000 less before state and federal incentives.


    http://blogs.forbes.com/toddwoody/2011/06/24/electric-carmaker-think-files-for-b- ankruptcy-again/
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    People Dropped from Leaf Waiting List for Not Having Home Chargers

    Before Nissan sold a single Leaf electric car, it had 20,000 pre-orders in North America alone. Yet some people on this reservation list are mysteriously being dropped, and it could be because they haven't installed a home charging station.

    According to a report by Bloomberg, some of the 20,000 pre-order customers have found themselves dropped from the waiting list with no warning, and then asked to reapply if they could not prove they had a home charging station installed.

    By asking people to reapply for purchasing a Leaf if they can't prove they don't have a charging station for a car they don't own yet, Nissan is setting a pretty screwy precedent, even as they struggle to get cars to customers in a timely fashion.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/idUS380882598920110615

    Wonder if you only want the more battery friendly 110Volt charger built-in to the car? I would just leave it plugged into a 110v outlet to trickle charge. They claim the high speed charging shortens the life of the battery.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    I'm gonna call B.S. on this one, until I see a report from a Leaf reserver who was REALLY dropped for this reason.

    The comments in the article point out that no one in any of the Leaf forums has reported this happening to them.

    Story sounds like it was written by someone else with an aversion to EVs.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    I'm gonna call B.S. on this one, until I see a report from a Leaf reserver who was REALLY dropped for this reason.

    What did you expect from a pinko commie like Bloomberg? :P

    They said Nissan unexpectedly dropped some from the waiting list temporarily, asking that they reapply if they couldn’t prove they had arranged installation of home-charging units that can cost more than $2,000.

    “My delivery date kept jumping around, from April to ‘pending’ to May to June to July,’’ said Marc Fishman, 42, a movie sound editor from Burbank, Calif.


    Another liberal Hollywood type lying.

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-06-14/business/29657554_1_nissan-leaf-electric-c- ar-delivery-date
  • I have a "reservation." I can now order my Leaf, but I must have my home assessment first, or have it waived. Once that is done, I can order.

    I just cannot decide if I want one at this point. :confuse:
  • I ordered in May. My home assessment came in July. I expect delivery at Nashville in October. (It's gonna be blue.)
  • ph_ph_ Posts: 1
    Ok, I've had a leaf for about 2 months now. Admittedly, I also have a gas car, which I use when I need to go out of town. That said, the Leaf is the primary vehicle being driven about twice the miles as the gas car.

    Overall, Nissan did an excellent job. I could complain about a number of things but I'll focus on the essentials instead.

    1. Plugging in at night is no problem. It takes about 15 seconds - and another 15 in the morning.

    2. Acceleration is great. The specs are above. But, from observing the Leaf's kilowatt meter, it appears Nissan restricted the acceleartion (probably for safety). Instead of immediately pegging at 80kw (the top of the meter), it gradually increases power over about 3 or 4 seconds. If you are already going about 10-20 mph, then it does give you the full 80kw, which you can really feel and observe as you shoot past other vehicles!

    3. Range is reasonable. I'd like to see better, but for greater-city area driving, it's really hard to use up the range in one day. Realistically, I'm getting between 70 and 80 miles per charge. Another meter shows about 3.7 or so miles per kw, or about 250w per mile. It's better on roads without stop-and-go, even with regen. I haven't had to use the heat or A/C much yet, so I expect the range to drop maybe 10% in winter when I need both (defrost).

    4. Comfort is reasonable. My own personal taste is that I find the front seats to have poor lumbar support. Also, the head rest protrudes too far forward, putting me into a hunched position. I solved the latter by turning the head rest around. Front leg room is great and the seat can be positioned comfortably high.

    5. Visibility is poor. This might be typical with other Nissan vehicles. The front pillars are really wide and, when turning, you really need to move your head to look around them. The back window is small, so the rear view mirror is practically useless. The mirror is also annoying low, blocking vision to the upper-right. The side mirrors are small to, so I change lanes carefully.

    6. The GPS map software works ok, but is lame compared to Google maps. Nissan should have licensed Google's software and chucked theirs. I usually use my android phone instead of the car's navigation - sorry tradeoff considering the car has a very nice screen.

    That's enough for now. I'd like to do some serious measurements and report back on kw for hill climbing at various inclines and speeds.

    PH
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    Thank you that was a great report. Be sure and keep us updated. What part of the country are you in? and what is your charge rate from the electric utility?
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  • For those still on the fence about a LEAF in Chicagoland, the dealer I ordered mine from, McGrath Nissan in Elgin has one available for test drives NOW -- just took my first 'real world' test drive this past Saturday and it was great! My car is expected in November, after being one of the first to reserve one back in April of 2010 ! IL was moved up in the queue for the LEAF rollout due to a plan to put many more charging station around the state to make the EV a more viable option even for those with a bit longer commutes. In my own case, a charging station in my own garage will suffice as well as the LEAF will not be our only car. The word on EV's is still slow so mostly 'early adopter's' will be buying these for now -- if you haven't tried an EV you owe it to yourself to check them out -- car is so quiet and no more trips to the gas station (my rate for electricity is 6.6 cents/KwH so a little more than half the national rate -- still quite cheap compared to our current $4/gal gas average here in Chicago). They may not be for everyone but for many it could be a good choice.
  • I test drove the Leaf and really like it. Problem is all dealers (at least in Bay Area CA) want MSRP + mark ups (2K-5K), which is pushing the price upward to $40K + TTL. That's ridiculous, given that this car only good for commuting or driving around town. With that much money I can pay for a lots of gas, getting something like a Prius, which offers good MPG, and I can drive it any where and not watching the remaining wattage left to drive. :mad:
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