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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    I'm gonna call B.S. on this one, until I see a report from a Leaf reserver who was REALLY dropped for this reason.

    The comments in the article point out that no one in any of the Leaf forums has reported this happening to them.

    Story sounds like it was written by someone else with an aversion to EVs.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I'm gonna call B.S. on this one, until I see a report from a Leaf reserver who was REALLY dropped for this reason.

    What did you expect from a pinko commie like Bloomberg? :P

    They said Nissan unexpectedly dropped some from the waiting list temporarily, asking that they reapply if they couldn’t prove they had arranged installation of home-charging units that can cost more than $2,000.

    “My delivery date kept jumping around, from April to ‘pending’ to May to June to July,’’ said Marc Fishman, 42, a movie sound editor from Burbank, Calif.


    Another liberal Hollywood type lying.

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-06-14/business/29657554_1_nissan-leaf-electric-c- ar-delivery-date
  • I have a "reservation." I can now order my Leaf, but I must have my home assessment first, or have it waived. Once that is done, I can order.

    I just cannot decide if I want one at this point. :confuse:
  • I ordered in May. My home assessment came in July. I expect delivery at Nashville in October. (It's gonna be blue.)
  • ph_ph_ Posts: 1
    Ok, I've had a leaf for about 2 months now. Admittedly, I also have a gas car, which I use when I need to go out of town. That said, the Leaf is the primary vehicle being driven about twice the miles as the gas car.

    Overall, Nissan did an excellent job. I could complain about a number of things but I'll focus on the essentials instead.

    1. Plugging in at night is no problem. It takes about 15 seconds - and another 15 in the morning.

    2. Acceleration is great. The specs are above. But, from observing the Leaf's kilowatt meter, it appears Nissan restricted the acceleartion (probably for safety). Instead of immediately pegging at 80kw (the top of the meter), it gradually increases power over about 3 or 4 seconds. If you are already going about 10-20 mph, then it does give you the full 80kw, which you can really feel and observe as you shoot past other vehicles!

    3. Range is reasonable. I'd like to see better, but for greater-city area driving, it's really hard to use up the range in one day. Realistically, I'm getting between 70 and 80 miles per charge. Another meter shows about 3.7 or so miles per kw, or about 250w per mile. It's better on roads without stop-and-go, even with regen. I haven't had to use the heat or A/C much yet, so I expect the range to drop maybe 10% in winter when I need both (defrost).

    4. Comfort is reasonable. My own personal taste is that I find the front seats to have poor lumbar support. Also, the head rest protrudes too far forward, putting me into a hunched position. I solved the latter by turning the head rest around. Front leg room is great and the seat can be positioned comfortably high.

    5. Visibility is poor. This might be typical with other Nissan vehicles. The front pillars are really wide and, when turning, you really need to move your head to look around them. The back window is small, so the rear view mirror is practically useless. The mirror is also annoying low, blocking vision to the upper-right. The side mirrors are small to, so I change lanes carefully.

    6. The GPS map software works ok, but is lame compared to Google maps. Nissan should have licensed Google's software and chucked theirs. I usually use my android phone instead of the car's navigation - sorry tradeoff considering the car has a very nice screen.

    That's enough for now. I'd like to do some serious measurements and report back on kw for hill climbing at various inclines and speeds.

    PH
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Thank you that was a great report. Be sure and keep us updated. What part of the country are you in? and what is your charge rate from the electric utility?
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
    Yes, it's ALWAYS more interesting and informative to hear from someone who actually purchased an is using a vehicle. That's not to say that professional reviews aren't useful, but it's nice to hear about things that may come up in my day-to-day experience.

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • For those still on the fence about a LEAF in Chicagoland, the dealer I ordered mine from, McGrath Nissan in Elgin has one available for test drives NOW -- just took my first 'real world' test drive this past Saturday and it was great! My car is expected in November, after being one of the first to reserve one back in April of 2010 ! IL was moved up in the queue for the LEAF rollout due to a plan to put many more charging station around the state to make the EV a more viable option even for those with a bit longer commutes. In my own case, a charging station in my own garage will suffice as well as the LEAF will not be our only car. The word on EV's is still slow so mostly 'early adopter's' will be buying these for now -- if you haven't tried an EV you owe it to yourself to check them out -- car is so quiet and no more trips to the gas station (my rate for electricity is 6.6 cents/KwH so a little more than half the national rate -- still quite cheap compared to our current $4/gal gas average here in Chicago). They may not be for everyone but for many it could be a good choice.
  • I test drove the Leaf and really like it. Problem is all dealers (at least in Bay Area CA) want MSRP + mark ups (2K-5K), which is pushing the price upward to $40K + TTL. That's ridiculous, given that this car only good for commuting or driving around town. With that much money I can pay for a lots of gas, getting something like a Prius, which offers good MPG, and I can drive it any where and not watching the remaining wattage left to drive. :mad:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    As long as the dealers are gouging I would buy something else. When they first came out here in San Diego the dealers were including the charging station in the MSRP price. I see a quite a few of them. Way more than the Volt, which I have only seen one. You can get a Prius under MSRP and there is a great supply of them in CA. If your electricity is as expensive as ours down here, the Leaf is no bargain. Unless you have solar and charge during the day.
  • You're fortunate as the LEAF has been available in CA for some time so at least some dealers are actually discounting it or at least just getting MSRP w/o a markup -- check this thread out on mynissanleaf.com on dealers that sell at MSRP or less:

    link title
  • I've had my Leaf since May (2011) and have been running it off the PV array (5kW) I installed so I wouldn't have to buy my electricity from the power company. I purchased the Leaf as a replacement for a 97 ford Escort that gets about 22 mpg in rush hour traffic (ugh) which I drove about 50 mi RT/day plus side trips. The Leaf works out very well, I rarely use the Escort and may sell it (give it away). I originally calculated my energy savings from the deferred cost of electricity generated by the PV array. But, a few months ago I realized that my Costco bill was about $250/mo less than it had been (I live in HI where gas is expensive!). Then it dawned on me, my real deferred cost was the cost of the gasoline I was not using -- not the cost of the power company electricity I was not using. So, I have redone my calculations and shown that I will get my ROI on the solar PV array in 3 years, rather than the 8 years I had expected, by applying the $250/mo savings to the PV loan. So, in less than 30 months (now) I will have free electricity for any e-car I own (lease) AND I will be able to apply the $250/mo gas-not-used savings towards the lease of my next electric car! My cash flow has not been affected in the first 3 years and been improved thereafter! I have not compared this with the life-cycle cost of a hybrid, but I think it is still competitive over 5 to 7 years.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Which Island? We just sold our place near Hilo. Electricity was horribly high. Will your electric company let you store up energy? Or are you off the grid? I can see where your setup would be great. Mahalo for sharing.
  • Electricity from the Leaf can be used to enable refrigerators, air conditioners, washing machines, televisions, and others. This inspired the development of post-tsunami and earthquake that hit Japan in March 2011. At that time Japan experienced electrical supply disruptions. From there, the Nissan engineers develop V2H.

    for more article : Speed Encounter

    Warm Regards,

    Pideksa99
  • Thanks for the wonderful review. The Leaf has been on our radar since it was slated to come out. We bought a couple of Toyota Yaris's hatchbacks in 09 and 10 with standard tranny's. So far 30k miles each and just regular maintenance. As it should be on a Toyota.

    I am waiting on the Leaf to hear the good bad and ugly in maintenance, such as battery replacements or other horrible expensive computer modules having to be replaced. Those items that they force even people like me with experience to have to return to dirty dealer for service. If the Leaf can turn out 200K miles without such expenses, then it may be justifiable in long run. I shudder to hear what they want to replace the batteries, controller or whatever else. It would not surprise me either if the circuit boards are potted making it impossible to repair. Yup, I even have electronics under the belt.

    Keep the info coming, I just put this car forum on my watch list. Getting older and the trips are getting shorter. So the gas Yaris's will soon be open road units and the Leaf around town when purchased.

    May I suggest a wide angle mirror from JC Whitney for rear blind spots? I bought the smaller ones for the Yaris's which have terrible blind spots in rear and pulled the headrests out to improve view. They clamp over the OEM mirror, but have no night time feature. The mirror works fine as long as no one is in the back seat. 99% of the time that is the case anyway. If someone hits the brights in the back, I aim the mirror down.

    Girlcarbuilder
  • Agreed, the issue of how to charge the battery is very important, as is the total range available. Personally, I feel that the current state of the art is lacking when it comes to electric cars, although kudos to Nissan for offering an all-electric car at the price it does. I also feel that a hybrid gas/electric car is currently probably better at the present time than risking it all on an all-electric vehicle. I wanted to FYI an interesting fact that I came across re recharging lithium batteries. Northwestern University in Evanston, IL recently came out with a news release where they appear to have figured out a way to recharge a lithium battery, of ANY size, in EIGHT MINUTES. Yes, you read that right, EIGHT MINUTES. This means that consumers won't have to install their own recharging stations, they can just go to a gas station that has a recharging station and recharge in eight minutes. How long does it take to fill up a tank of gas? Five minutes? Ten? I hate to say it, but it seems as though the "early adopters", although an incredibly important factor in the dissemination of new technologies, may have jumped into the fray too soon. The range and recharging factors will be solved in the near future, and it will be as easy and quick as filling up a tank of gas. FYI for the discussion related to recharging times, etc. John V. Karavitis
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,917
    A news reporter would like to talk with hybrid car owners in Northern California. If you fit the description, please contact pr@edmunds.com by Wednesday, April 25, 2012.
  • Karen@EdmundsKaren@Edmunds Posts: 5,028
    If you own a Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf, a reporter would like to talk with you. Email PR@edmunds.com by Monday, May 14, 2012.

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I parked next to a guy in a Leaf this morning. He was more than willing to tell me about the car. He likes it, BUT. There are still no 440v charging stations that the Feds gave SDG&E millions to install. The private ones have some issues. It seems there are a lot of EV rentals running around San Diego. Several times he has been plugged into the 220V charging stations in one of the parking garages, only to come back and find his vehicle unplugged and a rental plugged in. It seems the range is marginal going from where we are 30+ miles to downtown SD and home. It takes about 8 bars to get back up the long grade to our little village. From sea level to 2000 ft. Now to the best part. He has the 220V charger and SDG&E installed a separate meter. If he charges at night the rates are very low. If he charges during the day they are higher than the normal top tier rate for homeowners. He has calculated his cost to date and if he was driving a 30 MPG vehicle gas would have to be 68 cents per gallon to match what he is paying for electricity charging at night.

    He thought about waiting until they get more range. But did not want to lose out on the $7500 from the Feds and the $5000 from CA. With tax and license out the door it cost him right at $24k.
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