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2012 Hyundai Accent Replacement "Verna"?

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  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    edited February 2011
    In my city, the 3 door Accents are all you see, unless its a rental. I literally see 3 of my car every single day. If you check the Hyundai forums elsewhere, the vast majority of owners have the 3 door. Being that so many automakers have abandoned the 3 door market, Hyundai practically had a lock on all the sales, which amounts to easily 40,000 a year, if not more. Which is a lucrative market if you look at the paltry sales of the Genesis coupe. In fact, the Accent 3 door far outsells the Scion XD and XB, among others, that are 5 door only. The Yaris 3 door outsells the 5 door. These facts prove there is a decent market for the 3 door. If you wanted 5 doors, all you had to do was cruise over to the Kia showroom and get a Rio5 (which, by the way, sells poorly). Same car, same warranty. The fact that Kia was the only one that offered a 5 door and Hyundai only offered a 3 door helped differentiate the twin cars. Now, if Kia were to offer a 3 door, I'd be ok with that, but I'd prefer to continue in the Hyundai family.

    As for styling, the Accent 5 door is decently sporty looking, but I think it would look better with 2 doors. It would look sleeker with a more raked rear window rather than the upright wagon look. I'm more lamenting the complete lack of sporty affordable cars. And nothing screams family car more than 4 doors. I'm single and have no kids. I never cart more than one other person in my car, so the rear seat never gets used. What could I possibly gain from 2 extra doors, except more weight?? There are many other single guys and gals out there like me.

    The Veloster is predicted to start north of $16k and Edmunds currently lists its base price at $19k (I hope it's not that much! Hell, I might as well get a Genesis for a few thou more!). Quite a bit more expensive than the Accent GS. And it's not even a true 3 door, rather its a 4 door hatch!! My fully equipped GS automatic has ABS, XM/CD with 6 speakers, all power accessories, remote keyless with alarm, and stickered for only $15460 (I purchased for $400 below invoice). ABS is now included as part of the premium package on 2010 and 11 GS models. The only Accent lacking ABS is the GL, formerly the Blue or L model.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    So you are saying of the 52,000 Accents sold in the USA in 2010, 40,000 were 3-doors? Where did you get that data? HMA doesn't publish a breakdown of 3-door vs. 4-door Accent sales.

    If you don't need a rear seat, there's several good options for you in sporty cars, especially used ones. For example, you could get a nice used Tiburon or Miata or S2000 or Mini Cooper or Z, for example. Or even a Civic coupe, which does have a usable rear seat. Much more sporty than any 3-door Accent, and no more money than a 3-door Accent with ABS.

    And that 2011 GS with ABS and a stick and mats runs $14,400. Not exactly cheap, considering a MUCH nicer 2011 Elantra (roomier, more powerful, better looking, better fuel economy, ESC with traction control etc.) costs only $1250 more. The Elantra isn't a hatch, of course, but is much more practical for more people than an Accent 3-door hatch.
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    edited February 2011
    You aren't quite understanding what I'm saying. My preference is for roomy 2 door hatchbacks and this preference probably goes all the way back to my first car which was an 84 Rabbit GTI. I could have bought a 2010 Elantra 5 speed for $600 more than my Accent. My preference for the Accent's styling, practicality, and automatic won out over the bigger more luxurious Elantra. I love Miatas. I used to own one, but they aren't very practical. I can fit a lot of stuff in an Accent hatch that I couldn't fit in any sedan or 2 seater and still get the style I prefer as well as the small exterior size and good handling I so desire. I don't hate 5 door hatches, I just prefer the style of a 3 door. The 3 door Yaris looks much better than the 5 door, as does the 3 door Golf compared to the 5 door. I don't think many people would argue against this statement.

    If you lump together all 3 door hatch sales, I'm willing to bet Hyundai has at least 50% of the market, if not more. Thus why I said their decision makes no sense to abandon it. Why lose 30k sales/yr or more? They won't gain that many sales with the significantly more expensive Veloster.

    My sales stats came from some article I read a few months ago. It was talking about hatchback sales. The Nissan Versa was the best selling hatch, followed by the Fit, Accent, and Aveo I believe. The Scion XD was the worst. The article was saying that Hyundai sold 5,000 Accent hatchbacks in one month, so I made an educated guess. At any rate, if those sales stats only included the hatchback, that would say the Accent was selling very well for only offering a 3 door.

    Why not offer a 3 door AND a 5 door and let the public decide which they prefer? I almost bet that overall sales of the 3 door would win if current Accent 3 door hatch sales compared to 5 door Rio5 sales are any indication.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Let's look at this from a practical POV... if Hyundai could sell 5,000 Accent 3-door hatches in the USA per month, it would be a no-brainer to offer one. The fact they probably will not offer one in the USA tells us they know they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. They're not stupid, and they're not a charity--they are in this for profit. If there's profit to be made on a 3-door Accent, they'll bring it here.

    During 2010, Hyundai sold over 5,000 Accents in only 3 months, and the most was 5,700--the other two months were around 5,300. I have a hard time believing Hyundai sold only 300-700 sedans in a month when it sold 5,000 3-doors. Possible I suppose, but unlikely given these sales numbers include retail and fleet sales.

    If I were you, I'd go for the Golf (or slightly used Rabbit) vs. the Accent 3-door. Far, far superior car, and a real nice 2007-2008 VW Certified Rabbit 3-door with Tiptronic can be had for about what you paid for your Accent GS, or even less.

    P.S. If 3-door hatches are so popular, why did the Versa and Fit both outsell the Accent hatch? Accent should have clobbered those other hatches in sales, yes? And where is the 3-door Yaris on that list?
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    edited February 2011
    But if 5 door hatches are all the rage, why is the Rio5 not selling? It's been a sales flop. I've only seen 1 on the road in my large city in the past 6 months. The Accent 3 door is everywhere. I'm not convinced a 5 door Accent will sell any better than the 3 door. So where is the added benefit to Hyundai? The market is flooded with 5 door hatches. There is more room for a 3 door to sell than a 5 door. Remember how the Focus ZX5 flopped while the ZX3 sold in decent numbers?

    Sales of the Versa and Fit can be easily explained. The Versa is the roomiest car in its class and the largest. Americans love size and tend to gravitate towards the larger cars, even in the subcompact class. The Fit has Honda's name on it, the magic seat, and did better in crash tests. Hyundai has made huge strides in perception but Honda is still considered by many to be a superior product, thus the higher sales.

    I do love the Golf, but I won't do used cars and VW reliability scares me some. I love Hyundai's warranty and styling, thus why I want to stay in the family. I've owned my Accent for 4 months and already have 10080 miles!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Most Kias are a sales flop, relatively speaking. ;) When was the last time you saw an ad for the Rio5? I've never seen one in the history of the current generation, going back five years.

    I really don't remember how the ZX5 "flopped" compared to the ZX3. Maybe where you live, there are lots of young, single people who prefer 3-door hatches? Where I live, in the family-oriented Midwest, I see few 3-door hatches compared to sedans and 5-door hatches and wagons. As you said, Americans gravitate towards size. Also utility, as in getting the most functionality for the dollar. A 5-door provides more utility than a 3-door. For most people I think, utility in an inexpensive car wins out over sportiness.

    When I was single, and then married w/o kids, I owned several 2-door and 3-door cars. But not a very useful thing when MWK. Ever tried to wrestle with one or two car seats in a 3-door Accent? Ever tried to climb into the back with a bad back and bad knees (as my wife has)? And, America is not getting younger... it's aging. Notice the humongous levers on seat adjusters and larger dials/knobs on many cars these days? They are being designed for older folk, not youngsters. Sorry. The last 3-door I owned was a 2007 Rabbit. Great car (very reliable, btw, and had a 4-year factory b-to-b warranty as a VW Certified car). When we got rid of our mini-van awhile back, I had to trade the Rabbit on a sedan (Sonata) because my wife had trouble climbing into and out of it.

    Maybe you could write a letter to John Krafcik and lay out your case for an Accent 3-door. Or get on the Hyundai Think Tank forum and make your case there. That will probably be a lot more effective than a post here.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I agree! I own an 06` Kia Rio5 SX 5 door hatchback that now has 62K mileage and want to replace with another like vehicle. Like I`ve said in earlier posts, I love the versatility that the 5 door hatchback offers, similar to a small wagon. I bought a 11` Ford Fiesta 5 door hatchback last July and love it. I hope that the new upcoming 12` Hyundai Accent 5 door hatchback looks as attractive as the sedan. I (do) want the utility of the hatchback, (but) early pictures indicate that the 4 door sedan is much more appealing, contrary to the Fiesta hatchback being much more attractive then its sibling sedan, IMO. As far as 3 door hatchbacks go, its a small niche target group it appeals to and I think Hyundai sees the success Ford Fiesta is having with its hatchback sales versus its sedan, and that`s in 5 door (not 3 door) configuration.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,663
    My kids '08 Accent GLS 4 door has been an excellent car so far...it just does everything right. O k mileage, comfortable for an economy box & it scoots around effortlessly...all my daughter needs. The other girl has the '09 Versa SL hatch, also an outstanding auto but would prefer the regular auto to the CVT it has. Just don't like the watered down initial take off that a regular auto tranny doesn't have. Once up to speed, a flawless car also...great 1st cars that I would have no problem driving as my dd...which could be a reality down the road, since I drive maybe 30 miles/week now.

    The wife will also look at these when she buys next year, though I think the Elantra will fit her needs better. For her, a car is just an appliance to get from point A to point B...it just needs to start & run every time she gets in. She doesn't share my passion in the automotive area & makes fun of me about my Edmunds obsession! :)

    But in the small car category, who could ask for more right now...possibly the biggest selection of new models ever!!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • hyundai_guruhyundai_guru Posts: 1
    edited February 2011
    The Accent 3 door has probably the best styling in its class. I currently own a 2007 Accent SE which has four wheel disc brakes with ABS and EBD. It's a great little car BUT the only reason I have it is because back in '07 Hyundai dropped the 5 door Elantra (what I had before it was totaled). I never cared for the styling of the Rio 5. I've always preferred Hyundai over Kia, not to mention the odd lack of a sun roof even as an option on the Rio 5. Never mind the fact that their powertrain is the same. Before, I owned a 2003 Elantra GT which was, in my opinion, one of the best designed 5 door models Hyundai ever made. It was totaled in a three car pile up in 2007 leaving me with only one hatchback choice from Hyundai. Surprisingly, I was impressed by the changes in the Accent design and technology. It's light years ahead of the older models; complete with a 6 disc changer, sun roof, etc.

    Here's the thing; I'm single, no kids but prefer a 5 door. I like the versatility of four doors and a hatchback. I don't like the inconvenience of those rare occasions when friends need to ride in the back seat and the front passenger has to get out, flip the seat forward, then the one or two friends have to squeeze in around the front passenger seat, etc. Pain in the [non-permissible content removed]. Of course, once you're in the back seat it's got the usual creature comforts that I've come to expect from Hyundai like actual lumbar support, etc. But still, it's just much better when those friends can simply open a door and hop in without disturbing the front passenger and having to always readjust the front passenger seat. Plus this new 2012 model has more power and FINALLY bluetooth. Not to mention an awsome 6 speed shiftronic. I'll be trading in my SE the second the 5 door is available here in the US. FYI: There will be an ebony black '07 SE with a sunroof and 6 disc changer for sale soon somewhere in southern california! ;)
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Have you seen the pictures of the 2012 Kia Rio 5 door hatchback being revealed Mar. 1 at the Geneva Auto Show? Its MUCH better looking then the 2012 Hyundai hatchback IMO. I hope they both hit the showrooms at the same time. Looks though that Hyundai will be at least 6 months or more ahead of Kia and I won`t wait, but the Kia hatch rear is not so Fiesta like and would get my vote.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    John Krafcik has confirmed there will be a 5-door Accent for the USA, in his posting on Hyundai Think Tank on Jan. 20:

    I have a funny story. At the Detroit Auto Show last week, the folks at Jalopnik.com asked me to do a live chat with their readers. Having done a few of these with you guys, and loving that experience, I readily agreed. One of their readers asked if the new Accent was going to have a 5-door. I answered in the manner you’d expect me to…by saying: “Yes, and it’s going to kick the Fiesta’s butt.” Well, that sure got a lot of attention in Detroit, and in the blogosphere. And I can thank the Think Tank folks for honing my live chat responses in that way! And of course, I think when you see the new Accent, particularly the 5-door SE model, you’re going to agree.

    I am reading into this, but I don't think he would have made the blanket "Yes" response in Detroit if the 5-door were going to be Canada-only.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    OK, so it's for the Saudi Arabian version with a different powertrain than what the US should get, but still useful and has some nice pics... something to whet your appetite until the "official" unveiling on Wednesday (guess the Montreal unveiling earlier this year was "unofficial"??).

    http://www.drivearabia.com/news/2011/03/01/first-drive-hyundai-accent-2012-dubai- -uae-fujairah-gcc/
  • tenpin288tenpin288 Posts: 804
    Here's a link to the Hyundai press release with specs and pricing already available! (No pics yet, should be up soon I would guess).

    2012 Accent Press Release

    ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Only 30/40 mpg for the new 1.6L GDI engine. I was hoping for a bit more, since the new Elantra with a conventional engine and more weight gets 29/40.

    And since one has to spring for the fully-optioned GLS to get a sedan with cruise and remote locking, there's only a few hundred bucks difference with the Elantra GLS with cruise, remote locking, and 16" wheels. The GS hatch might be the best deal.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    Thanks for all your posts. As a 2010 Hyundai Elantra Touring owner, I am sad that H will not be making it any longer. I am hoping H will bring the Sonata wagon to the US, and that will be my second H vehicle in the driveway. In case they don't, does anyone have any figures on interior legroom, headroom, etc on the 2012 Accent 5 door so I can compare it to my current ET? They look very much alike, but wasn't sure about the dimensions. Thanks in advance.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Here's some specs:

    http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/04/2012-hyundai-accent-price-fuel-economy.html-

    You might find this review useful:

    http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2011/04/2012-hyundai-accent-up-close.html

    If you like the interior room of the Elantra Touring, I think you'll be disappointed in the Accent hatch. It will have much less rear legroom (the rear leg room of the Touring is limo-like) and less cargo space.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    Great post backy; thanks very much. Yes, you appear to be correct: the Accent is almost 3 inches shorter, narrower, and 3 less in rear leg room. I found it odd that the article tells us what the rear leg room is but not the front. You are also correct about the HET. The adult passenger room is wonderful. It always happens that I find a car I like and fits me perfectly, only for the manufacturer to stop making it (Malibu Maxx, HET, Pontiac Vibe). Well, I guess it is back to stuffing envelopes begging H management to send the Sonata wagon to the US.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited May 2011
    Well after deliberating for sometime now about what vehicle will soon replace my aging 2006 Kia Rio5 SX Hatchback, my decision has been made. I`m going to pass on the new Accent and continue with the new Rio5 Hatchback. Sure they share probably over 95% of the mechanical content down to the nuts and bolts but after seeing the massive styling improvement that Kia`s genius Peter Schreyer has done, the Kia Rio IMO wins hands down. Not only is the exterior more interesting and not Ford Fiesta like in Hatchback form but the interior as well. The new Kia Rio will be available in (3) different trim levels, ( LX,EX, and SX) compared to the Hyundai Accent`s (2) PLUS huge amount of comfort and convenience options that are (not) available either. The Rio offers ISG Technology (idle,stop/go) engine start and restart for better fuel economy, much improved quality interior fabric AND Leather option, Power Moonroof, Rearview Camera Monitor incorporated in Radio display, 17`` Alloy Wheels, directional signal indicators in exterior mirrors, need I go on? I know the Accent will be here in a few weeks and the Rio will arrive this Fall, the wait is killing me but I know it is well worth it. Hyundai, I love you and my Sonata but you dropped the ball with your new 2012 Accent. Too bad! And, what about those awesome Projector headlights that the new 2012 Kia Rio has along with high end LED DRL`s and Tail Lights? Where have you see those lately in a vehicle for selling under 20K?
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    Will the rio 5 be the same dimentions as posted earlier for the new Accent? I'm trying to guage whether I will fit in it.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    I wonder what a Rio5 with all that equipment will cost? I wouldn't be surprised if it's close to $20k, if not over, given a loaded Accent w/o leather, moonroof, rearview camera, 17" alloys, projector headlamps, LEDs etc. is over $17k.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Backy, Kia has not yet released prices of its new 2012 Rio or Rio5 with option packages yet. Probably will do so closer to Launch. Kia usually prices the Rio a bit lower then the Hyundai Accent and with (3) different trim levels and lots of different configuration choices, I`m sure they will start from the low 12K range to just under 20K. The Hyundai Accent GLS Sedan (loaded) if you want to call it that with 16`` alloy wheels, fog lights,a/c, auto transmission, cruise control and radio upgrade is 17.5K! The top of the line Accent Hatchback (LE/SE?) is around the same. Too little content at too high a price compared to what will be available on the Kia Rio. The "base" model in both Accent Sedan and Hatchback comes standard with 14`` steel wheels-tires & covers with "black" painted exterior mirrors and door handles and manual crank-up windows. A modern day Yugo! I`m definitely going to pass on it.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I`m sure the new 2012 Hyundai Accent and 2012 Kia Rio5 Hatchbacks will share very close dimensions in regards to interior room and within a few inches in exterior length. Both will have the same interior room to be classified as Compact segment vehicles instead of B-segment Sub-Compact, meaning the same as Civic, Corolla, Sentra, Focus, etc.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Sentra has mid-sized interior volume, FWIW. Not sure if the new 2012 Civic crosses that line or not--it is definitely much roomier than the old one.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Maybe, that means Sentra which is Nissan`s smallest entry above its B-segment Sub-compact vehicle the Versa , is a Mid Size car? That would make its Altima a Full Size car. Then what is its Maxima classified as?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    You were talking about interior volume. Sentra (and Elantra also) have mid-sized interior volume per EPA specs. I think the Versa does too, barely. Not sure if Altima is full-sized inside. But Sonata is. The Maxima isn't all that big inside, from what I've seen.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    That was my point, if the new 2011 Elantra as well as the Sentra have interior volume thats declared "mid-size", the Altima being the next category up in size would be considered Full Size. The Maxima, which is marketed in the next tier up, would be considered even larger I would imagine. We are not even talking about Nissan`s Infinity group. I have no issue with my 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback and its interior volume and I think the new Accent and Rio will be considerable larger. I don`t think the earlier Poster has to worry about those vehicles being too small compared to her 2010 Elantra Touring Hatchback.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    It doesn't work that way. Interior size is one thing. Exterior size is another. For example, the Versa has a sub-compact exterior but a "mid-sized" interior, per how the EPA rates cars by interior volume.

    Maybe we should get back to the Accent?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Backy, your right. I`m out of here. I`ll go back to the Kia Rio forum where I started. I just got dragged into this chat due to a Posting I was sent concerning the 2012 Hyundai Accent "Verna" which I had months earlier contributed to. Needless to say, I feel HMA Hyundai Motors America really dropped the ball with its cheap overpriced 2012 Accent. For whatever reason Hyundai decided to makes its Kia division the darling for the B-Segment class and I`m sure you will soon see that both Kia`s Optima and Rio sales will meet and exceed those of both the Sonata and Accent, just saying.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Maybe so. Kia has a dealer deficit vs. Hyundai and some baggage even greater than Hyundai's to overcome, but the Optima is a very nice car and the Rio looks great too (although I prefer the interior styling of the Accent, from what I've seen in photos--the Rio reminds me too much of an old Civic inside). I'll look at both the Rio and Accent (among others) when it's time to get my next car.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,699
    I sure like the new 2012 Kia Rio hatchback coming out in the fall. Sharp car in white or cream color and I'd opt for the 6-speed, though it wouldn't be imperative to get the 6-speed stick for this rig. I'm more than a little interested in one in a couple years. Maybe.

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