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2012 Hyundai Accent Replacement "Verna"?

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,579
    It's also on our short list but I think the additional power of the Elantra will please the wife more. Do prefer the 1.8 in my Civic to my daughters Accent and with the wife currently driving a Mazda with the 2.3, think the new Accent won't be a good choice for. Hopefully when we get into serious looking mode, the Buick Verano will be out also...will be a bit more upscale than the Cruze, and she's from a Buick family to begin with.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    The new 1.6 liter 4 cyl engine Hyundia will be putting in the North American version of its new Volster as well as the 2012 Hyundai Accent is supposed to be a totally new improved fuel efficient 140 hp power plant that should get over 40 mpg highway. I don`t think you will find much difference between the performance of the heavier Elantra with the 1.8 liter vs the Accent with the 1.6 liter engine.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629
    Has the 1.6L 140 hp engine for the Accent been confirmed for NA? I was wondering if we would get the smaller engine instead, since 140 hp is a lot for a car in this class. But I wouldn't mind it. (wink)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629
    Hyundai didn't wait for the NY Auto Show to unveil the new Accent, it came out this week at Montreal.

    http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/01/2012-hyundai-accent-gets-most-power-f- uel-economy-in-its-class-montreal-auto-show.html

    Looks like a great update, especially the 1.6L GDI 138 hp engine, 6-speed trannies, and all the standard safety equipment. And a 5-door hatch! Yesssssss!

    The FE numbers look a little low for a car of this weight (30.5/41 mpg for US gallons per the article), not much better than the bigger and more powerful Elantra, but those are unofficial numbers.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,579
    Very impressed with how this car looks...not as nice as it's older siblings but nice all the same. To be honest, I think the Elantra looks the best of the three & I'm hoping the wife agrees & gets a 2012 titanium colored GLS with the package that has the 16"alloy wheels. That would fit our needs perfectly! I can definitely see my next car being a Hyundai also...never thought I'd ever stray from the Japanese brands...EVER!!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    backy;...nice scoop of the Montreal Auto Show unveiling of the new Accent! I hope that US also gets the 5 door hatchback option. A lot of times Hyundai Canada gets different models and trim then we do here in US. Now, when do they get to dealerships? Spring..Summer..or early Fall?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Although I personally prefer the practicality of the 5 door hatchback as a small wagon to the 4 door sedan, I actually might opt for the new 2012 Hyundai Accent in sedan form. I already own a 2011 Ford Fiesta 5 door hatchback and IMO it looks (much) better then the Fiesta sedan. On the other hand, the new Accent sedan IMO looks better then the 5 door hatchback! Plus, the Accent hatchback looks way too similar in styling to the Fiesta hatchback and I`d hate to have two look a like vehicles parked next to each other in my driveway even if they are in different colors.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629
    I just hope that this unveiling in Montreal means that HMA will have the new Accent at upcoming auto shows including the Greater Twin Cities show in March, so I can check it out for myself (might be on a turntable and not sit-able, though).

    It will be a couple of years before I need to buy another car, but so far the new Accent looks like one to have on my shopping list.
  • I like the styling of the new Accent, but am severely disappointed that there is no 3 door. There is a large number of people who prefer the sportier looks of a 3 door and have absolutely no need of 4 doors. Hyundai is making a huge mistake here, especially when you look at how many 3 doors are on the road today compared to the 4 door. Take away rental sales and the 3 door far outsells the sedan. Hyundai, bring the 3 door!!!!! The Veloster is not an alternative because its way too expensive.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629
    I almost never see the 3-door Accent of the current generation on the road--almost all 4-doors.

    If Hyundai is making a huge mistake here, then so are a lot of other automakers in this segment, except Toyota, which offers the Yaris in a 3-door hatch. Going up-price a bit, the Mini Cooper and Golf are available as 3-door hatches. But that's it. No 3-door Fiesta, no 3-door Fit, no 3-door Mazda2, no 3-door Versa, no 3-door Aveo, no 3-door Rio.

    It would be interesting to see if the 5-door hatch outsells the 3-door. I expect it will, by a large margin, because it's a better fit for more people than a 3-door.

    And I think the new 5-door Accent is plenty sporty looking... as are the Fiesta hatch and Mazda2. I think you can have sporty with 4 doors. Unless sporty in your book means "only contortionists are welcome in my rear seat". ;)

    As for the Veloster being pricey... what is its MSRP, anyway? The Accent 3-door was only inexpensive in the ridiculous GS trim--ridiculous as in no ABS even available on the car. Going to the SE with standard ABS and nice wheels costs over $16k, and that's with a stick and no options except mats! Not exactly cheap.
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    edited February 2011
    In my city, the 3 door Accents are all you see, unless its a rental. I literally see 3 of my car every single day. If you check the Hyundai forums elsewhere, the vast majority of owners have the 3 door. Being that so many automakers have abandoned the 3 door market, Hyundai practically had a lock on all the sales, which amounts to easily 40,000 a year, if not more. Which is a lucrative market if you look at the paltry sales of the Genesis coupe. In fact, the Accent 3 door far outsells the Scion XD and XB, among others, that are 5 door only. The Yaris 3 door outsells the 5 door. These facts prove there is a decent market for the 3 door. If you wanted 5 doors, all you had to do was cruise over to the Kia showroom and get a Rio5 (which, by the way, sells poorly). Same car, same warranty. The fact that Kia was the only one that offered a 5 door and Hyundai only offered a 3 door helped differentiate the twin cars. Now, if Kia were to offer a 3 door, I'd be ok with that, but I'd prefer to continue in the Hyundai family.

    As for styling, the Accent 5 door is decently sporty looking, but I think it would look better with 2 doors. It would look sleeker with a more raked rear window rather than the upright wagon look. I'm more lamenting the complete lack of sporty affordable cars. And nothing screams family car more than 4 doors. I'm single and have no kids. I never cart more than one other person in my car, so the rear seat never gets used. What could I possibly gain from 2 extra doors, except more weight?? There are many other single guys and gals out there like me.

    The Veloster is predicted to start north of $16k and Edmunds currently lists its base price at $19k (I hope it's not that much! Hell, I might as well get a Genesis for a few thou more!). Quite a bit more expensive than the Accent GS. And it's not even a true 3 door, rather its a 4 door hatch!! My fully equipped GS automatic has ABS, XM/CD with 6 speakers, all power accessories, remote keyless with alarm, and stickered for only $15460 (I purchased for $400 below invoice). ABS is now included as part of the premium package on 2010 and 11 GS models. The only Accent lacking ABS is the GL, formerly the Blue or L model.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629
    So you are saying of the 52,000 Accents sold in the USA in 2010, 40,000 were 3-doors? Where did you get that data? HMA doesn't publish a breakdown of 3-door vs. 4-door Accent sales.

    If you don't need a rear seat, there's several good options for you in sporty cars, especially used ones. For example, you could get a nice used Tiburon or Miata or S2000 or Mini Cooper or Z, for example. Or even a Civic coupe, which does have a usable rear seat. Much more sporty than any 3-door Accent, and no more money than a 3-door Accent with ABS.

    And that 2011 GS with ABS and a stick and mats runs $14,400. Not exactly cheap, considering a MUCH nicer 2011 Elantra (roomier, more powerful, better looking, better fuel economy, ESC with traction control etc.) costs only $1250 more. The Elantra isn't a hatch, of course, but is much more practical for more people than an Accent 3-door hatch.
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    edited February 2011
    You aren't quite understanding what I'm saying. My preference is for roomy 2 door hatchbacks and this preference probably goes all the way back to my first car which was an 84 Rabbit GTI. I could have bought a 2010 Elantra 5 speed for $600 more than my Accent. My preference for the Accent's styling, practicality, and automatic won out over the bigger more luxurious Elantra. I love Miatas. I used to own one, but they aren't very practical. I can fit a lot of stuff in an Accent hatch that I couldn't fit in any sedan or 2 seater and still get the style I prefer as well as the small exterior size and good handling I so desire. I don't hate 5 door hatches, I just prefer the style of a 3 door. The 3 door Yaris looks much better than the 5 door, as does the 3 door Golf compared to the 5 door. I don't think many people would argue against this statement.

    If you lump together all 3 door hatch sales, I'm willing to bet Hyundai has at least 50% of the market, if not more. Thus why I said their decision makes no sense to abandon it. Why lose 30k sales/yr or more? They won't gain that many sales with the significantly more expensive Veloster.

    My sales stats came from some article I read a few months ago. It was talking about hatchback sales. The Nissan Versa was the best selling hatch, followed by the Fit, Accent, and Aveo I believe. The Scion XD was the worst. The article was saying that Hyundai sold 5,000 Accent hatchbacks in one month, so I made an educated guess. At any rate, if those sales stats only included the hatchback, that would say the Accent was selling very well for only offering a 3 door.

    Why not offer a 3 door AND a 5 door and let the public decide which they prefer? I almost bet that overall sales of the 3 door would win if current Accent 3 door hatch sales compared to 5 door Rio5 sales are any indication.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629
    Let's look at this from a practical POV... if Hyundai could sell 5,000 Accent 3-door hatches in the USA per month, it would be a no-brainer to offer one. The fact they probably will not offer one in the USA tells us they know they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. They're not stupid, and they're not a charity--they are in this for profit. If there's profit to be made on a 3-door Accent, they'll bring it here.

    During 2010, Hyundai sold over 5,000 Accents in only 3 months, and the most was 5,700--the other two months were around 5,300. I have a hard time believing Hyundai sold only 300-700 sedans in a month when it sold 5,000 3-doors. Possible I suppose, but unlikely given these sales numbers include retail and fleet sales.

    If I were you, I'd go for the Golf (or slightly used Rabbit) vs. the Accent 3-door. Far, far superior car, and a real nice 2007-2008 VW Certified Rabbit 3-door with Tiptronic can be had for about what you paid for your Accent GS, or even less.

    P.S. If 3-door hatches are so popular, why did the Versa and Fit both outsell the Accent hatch? Accent should have clobbered those other hatches in sales, yes? And where is the 3-door Yaris on that list?
  • carfreak09carfreak09 Posts: 160
    edited February 2011
    But if 5 door hatches are all the rage, why is the Rio5 not selling? It's been a sales flop. I've only seen 1 on the road in my large city in the past 6 months. The Accent 3 door is everywhere. I'm not convinced a 5 door Accent will sell any better than the 3 door. So where is the added benefit to Hyundai? The market is flooded with 5 door hatches. There is more room for a 3 door to sell than a 5 door. Remember how the Focus ZX5 flopped while the ZX3 sold in decent numbers?

    Sales of the Versa and Fit can be easily explained. The Versa is the roomiest car in its class and the largest. Americans love size and tend to gravitate towards the larger cars, even in the subcompact class. The Fit has Honda's name on it, the magic seat, and did better in crash tests. Hyundai has made huge strides in perception but Honda is still considered by many to be a superior product, thus the higher sales.

    I do love the Golf, but I won't do used cars and VW reliability scares me some. I love Hyundai's warranty and styling, thus why I want to stay in the family. I've owned my Accent for 4 months and already have 10080 miles!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629
    Most Kias are a sales flop, relatively speaking. ;) When was the last time you saw an ad for the Rio5? I've never seen one in the history of the current generation, going back five years.

    I really don't remember how the ZX5 "flopped" compared to the ZX3. Maybe where you live, there are lots of young, single people who prefer 3-door hatches? Where I live, in the family-oriented Midwest, I see few 3-door hatches compared to sedans and 5-door hatches and wagons. As you said, Americans gravitate towards size. Also utility, as in getting the most functionality for the dollar. A 5-door provides more utility than a 3-door. For most people I think, utility in an inexpensive car wins out over sportiness.

    When I was single, and then married w/o kids, I owned several 2-door and 3-door cars. But not a very useful thing when MWK. Ever tried to wrestle with one or two car seats in a 3-door Accent? Ever tried to climb into the back with a bad back and bad knees (as my wife has)? And, America is not getting younger... it's aging. Notice the humongous levers on seat adjusters and larger dials/knobs on many cars these days? They are being designed for older folk, not youngsters. Sorry. The last 3-door I owned was a 2007 Rabbit. Great car (very reliable, btw, and had a 4-year factory b-to-b warranty as a VW Certified car). When we got rid of our mini-van awhile back, I had to trade the Rabbit on a sedan (Sonata) because my wife had trouble climbing into and out of it.

    Maybe you could write a letter to John Krafcik and lay out your case for an Accent 3-door. Or get on the Hyundai Think Tank forum and make your case there. That will probably be a lot more effective than a post here.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I agree! I own an 06` Kia Rio5 SX 5 door hatchback that now has 62K mileage and want to replace with another like vehicle. Like I`ve said in earlier posts, I love the versatility that the 5 door hatchback offers, similar to a small wagon. I bought a 11` Ford Fiesta 5 door hatchback last July and love it. I hope that the new upcoming 12` Hyundai Accent 5 door hatchback looks as attractive as the sedan. I (do) want the utility of the hatchback, (but) early pictures indicate that the 4 door sedan is much more appealing, contrary to the Fiesta hatchback being much more attractive then its sibling sedan, IMO. As far as 3 door hatchbacks go, its a small niche target group it appeals to and I think Hyundai sees the success Ford Fiesta is having with its hatchback sales versus its sedan, and that`s in 5 door (not 3 door) configuration.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,579
    My kids '08 Accent GLS 4 door has been an excellent car so far...it just does everything right. O k mileage, comfortable for an economy box & it scoots around effortlessly...all my daughter needs. The other girl has the '09 Versa SL hatch, also an outstanding auto but would prefer the regular auto to the CVT it has. Just don't like the watered down initial take off that a regular auto tranny doesn't have. Once up to speed, a flawless car also...great 1st cars that I would have no problem driving as my dd...which could be a reality down the road, since I drive maybe 30 miles/week now.

    The wife will also look at these when she buys next year, though I think the Elantra will fit her needs better. For her, a car is just an appliance to get from point A to point B...it just needs to start & run every time she gets in. She doesn't share my passion in the automotive area & makes fun of me about my Edmunds obsession! :)

    But in the small car category, who could ask for more right now...possibly the biggest selection of new models ever!!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • hyundai_guruhyundai_guru Posts: 1
    edited February 2011
    The Accent 3 door has probably the best styling in its class. I currently own a 2007 Accent SE which has four wheel disc brakes with ABS and EBD. It's a great little car BUT the only reason I have it is because back in '07 Hyundai dropped the 5 door Elantra (what I had before it was totaled). I never cared for the styling of the Rio 5. I've always preferred Hyundai over Kia, not to mention the odd lack of a sun roof even as an option on the Rio 5. Never mind the fact that their powertrain is the same. Before, I owned a 2003 Elantra GT which was, in my opinion, one of the best designed 5 door models Hyundai ever made. It was totaled in a three car pile up in 2007 leaving me with only one hatchback choice from Hyundai. Surprisingly, I was impressed by the changes in the Accent design and technology. It's light years ahead of the older models; complete with a 6 disc changer, sun roof, etc.

    Here's the thing; I'm single, no kids but prefer a 5 door. I like the versatility of four doors and a hatchback. I don't like the inconvenience of those rare occasions when friends need to ride in the back seat and the front passenger has to get out, flip the seat forward, then the one or two friends have to squeeze in around the front passenger seat, etc. Pain in the [non-permissible content removed]. Of course, once you're in the back seat it's got the usual creature comforts that I've come to expect from Hyundai like actual lumbar support, etc. But still, it's just much better when those friends can simply open a door and hop in without disturbing the front passenger and having to always readjust the front passenger seat. Plus this new 2012 model has more power and FINALLY bluetooth. Not to mention an awsome 6 speed shiftronic. I'll be trading in my SE the second the 5 door is available here in the US. FYI: There will be an ebony black '07 SE with a sunroof and 6 disc changer for sale soon somewhere in southern california! ;)
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Have you seen the pictures of the 2012 Kia Rio 5 door hatchback being revealed Mar. 1 at the Geneva Auto Show? Its MUCH better looking then the 2012 Hyundai hatchback IMO. I hope they both hit the showrooms at the same time. Looks though that Hyundai will be at least 6 months or more ahead of Kia and I won`t wait, but the Kia hatch rear is not so Fiesta like and would get my vote.
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